Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-18 Thread Simone Saviolo
2013/3/16 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk Absolutely wrong, obeying traffic rules is 100% the drivers responsibility. There already enough numpties on the road, without giving them another reason to blame the satnav. A satnav should only use the presence of give ways and stops to

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-17 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2013-03-16 at 21:31 -0500, Paul Johnson wrote: On Saturday, March 16, 2013, Philip Barnes wrote: A junction with stop sign will take longer to accomplish as the presence of the stop sign indicates reduced visibility. Except in places that tend to overuse

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-16 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2013-03-15 at 11:53 +0100, Simone Saviolo wrote: 2013/3/15 Pieren pier...@gmail.com It is for navigation. Imagine a corner right before an intersection: the navigator would warn you that you'll have to give way or to stop, and you'll

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-16 Thread Paul Johnson
On Saturday, March 16, 2013, Philip Barnes wrote: A junction with stop sign will take longer to accomplish as the presence of the stop sign indicates reduced visibility. Except in places that tend to overuse stop signs. The west coast states, Idaho, and to a lesser extent other states that

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-15 Thread Pieren
It is for navigation. Imagine a corner right before an intersection: the navigator would warn you that you'll have to give way or to stop, and you'll prepare the corner accordingly. I don't know any commercial car navigation system that warns you about give-ways or stops. Perhaps because it

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-15 Thread Simone Saviolo
2013/3/15 Pieren pier...@gmail.com It is for navigation. Imagine a corner right before an intersection: the navigator would warn you that you'll have to give way or to stop, and you'll prepare the corner accordingly. I don't know any commercial car navigation system that warns you about

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-15 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 4:13 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: It is for navigation. Imagine a corner right before an intersection: the navigator would warn you that you'll have to give way or to stop, and you'll prepare the corner accordingly. I don't know any commercial car

[Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-14 Thread Simone Saviolo
Hi everyone! I noticed that the proposal for a give_way type relationship [1] has been in draft for nine solid years. It seems a great solution to the current limitations of highway=give_way and highway=stop, also because it reuses a tagging scheme that is widely accepted both by mappers and by

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-14 Thread Philip Barnes
A good idea. Just thought I should mention the relation through_route, which is related to this, where the main road though a junction so that routers can give correct turn instructions, although none I know of support this. Often the through route is not the straight ahead, so a turn is often

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-14 Thread Chris Hill
On 14/03/13 14:43, Simone Saviolo wrote: I noticed that the proposal for a give_way type relationship [1] has been in draft for nine solid years. It seems a great solution to the current limitations of highway=give_way and highway=stop, also because it reuses a tagging scheme that is widely

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-14 Thread Steve Doerr
I suppose the main downside is that it requires a relation. I've not mapped give-way relationships myself, but it would be good to map them, and the node method seems simpler and would involve less database bloat than adding a relation at, basically, every junction. I would think the node

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-14 Thread Simone Saviolo
2013/3/14 Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net On 14/03/13 14:43, Simone Saviolo wrote: I noticed that the proposal for a give_way type relationship [1] has been in draft for nine solid years. It seems a great solution to the current limitations of highway=give_way and highway=stop, also because it

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-14 Thread Simone Saviolo
2013/3/14 Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com I suppose the main downside is that it requires a relation. I've not mapped give-way relationships myself, but it would be good to map them, and the node method seems simpler and would involve less database bloat than adding a relation at,

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-14 Thread Jo
2013/3/14 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com 2013/3/14 Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com I suppose the main downside is that it requires a relation. I've not mapped give-way relationships myself, but it would be good to map them, and the node method seems simpler and would involve

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-14 Thread A.Pirard.Papou
On 2013-03-14 15:43, Simone Saviolo wrote : Hi everyone! I noticed that the proposal for a give_way type relationship [1] has been in draft for nine solid years. It seems a great solution to the current limitations of highway=give_way and highway=stop, also because it reuses a tagging scheme

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-14 Thread fly
On 14.03.2013 17:01, Jo wrote: 2013/3/14 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com mailto:simone.savi...@gmail.com 2013/3/14 Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com mailto:doerr.step...@gmail.com I think the two ways may coexist: the node method being easier on the mappers, and

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-14 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Simone Saviolo wrote: I noticed that the proposal for a give_way type relationship [1] has been in draft for nine solid years. That's fiendishly clever given that OpenStreetMap didn't exist nine years ago... cheers Richard -- View this message in context:

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-14 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net That's fiendishly clever given that OpenStreetMap didn't exist nine years ago... ^^ But, a silly question : where does it help to put so much efforts in tagging a give-way traffic sign ? It's not for routing. If it is for

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-14 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: But, a silly question : where does it help to put so much efforts in tagging a give-way traffic sign ? It's not for routing. If it is for rendering, a simple node is enough. So why a relation ? for blind drivers ? Not quite.

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-14 Thread Simone Saviolo
2013/3/14 Pieren pier...@gmail.com On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net That's fiendishly clever given that OpenStreetMap didn't exist nine years ago... ^^ But, a silly question : where does it help to put so much efforts in tagging a give-way traffic

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-14 Thread James Mast
Why wouldn't something like a node tagged highway:forward=give_way work? -James ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 15/mar/2013 um 02:00 schrieb James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com: Why wouldn't something like a node tagged highway:forward=give_way work? Because a node doesn't have direction. Why does it have to be a node of the way? You could set the node slightly right (or left where people drive

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-14 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 15/mar/2013 um 02:00 schrieb James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com: Why wouldn't something like a node tagged highway:forward=give_way work? Because a node doesn't have direction. Why does it have to be