Re: [Tagging] RFC: highway=tidal_road

2011-11-24 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, 2011-11-23 at 16:43 +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/11/23 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: What would the correct highway classification be for an Oregon beach? These fall under the Oregon Department of Transportation's

Re: [Tagging] RFC: highway=tidal_road

2011-11-24 Thread Dave F.
On 24/11/2011 18:15, Paul Johnson wrote: Well, if we're going to exclude ways from being ways because they're not improved for vehicular use, then i have a lot of cattle trails I need to remove (despite being named, with addresses along them, open to vehicles and accessible by 4x4). That's not

Re: [Tagging] RFC: highway=tidal_road

2011-11-24 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, 2011-11-24 at 21:09 +, Dave F. wrote: On 24/11/2011 18:15, Paul Johnson wrote: Well, if we're going to exclude ways from being ways because they're not improved for vehicular use, then i have a lot of cattle trails I need to remove (despite being named, with addresses along

Re: [Tagging] RFC: highway=tidal_road

2011-11-24 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Dave F. wrote: That's not what he said, you know it. Typical Paul I ignore facts just so I can start an argument Johnson. Traditionally I try to act as an administrator rather than a moderator on this list, but I think that oversteps the mark a little, I'm afraid. By all means disagree on the

Re: [Tagging] RFC: highway=tidal_road

2011-11-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 11/24/2011 5:10 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Dave F. wrote: That's not what he said, you know it. Typical Paul I ignore facts just so I can start an argument Johnson. Traditionally I try to act as an administrator rather than a moderator on this list, but I think that oversteps the mark a

Re: [Tagging] RFC: highway=tidal_road

2011-11-24 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, 2011-11-24 at 17:18 -0500, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 11/24/2011 5:10 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Dave F. wrote: That's not what he said, you know it. Typical Paul I ignore facts just so I can start an argument Johnson. Traditionally I try to act as an administrator rather

Re: [Tagging] RFC: highway=tidal_road

2011-11-24 Thread Gary Gallagher
From a hikers point of view I'd like to see some differentiation of tide affected ways. There's a number of tracks I didn't put on the map because I wasn't sure the tidal info placed in side tags would get to rendered. Use of difficulty scales doesn't quite warn someone either. I know given the

Re: [Tagging] RFC: highway=tidal_road

2011-11-24 Thread Stephen Hope
I can see both sides of the argument. We don't want too much proliferation of special road types - we already have ice roads, now tidal is suggested, there could easily be dry weather only (or not-monsoon only), 4wd only, summer only, etc. How far do we want to take this? On the other hand, we

Re: [Tagging] RFC: highway=tidal_road

2011-11-24 Thread Gary Gallagher
Good suggestion. How about provisional instead of special? On Nov 25, 2011 12:17 PM, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: I can see both sides of the argument. We don't want too much proliferation of special road types - we already have ice roads, now tidal is suggested, there could easily be

Re: [Tagging] RFC: highway=tidal_road

2011-11-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/11/25 Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com: If we do want to separate them out, my suggestion is to use a single road type tag to indicate one of these special roads - highway=special_road (and maybe highway=special_path). Then extra tagging to differentiate them

Re: [Tagging] RFC: highway=tidal_road

2011-11-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/11/22 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: On 22/11/2011 21:33, Frederik Ramm wrote: When you say No, don't you mean Yes? Not sure if you are responding to the original post, or to my reaction. All it says on the proposal page is A road that gets tidally flooded . Where do you get your

Re: [Tagging] RFC: highway=tidal_road

2011-11-23 Thread Ilpo Järvinen
On Wed, 23 Nov 2011, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 11/23/2011 5:40 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Yes, this would fit the proposed tag. As you can see from your picture not beeing aware about the tide situation can cost your life. IMHO this kind of road merits its own main highway tag, it

Re: [Tagging] RFC: highway=tidal_road

2011-11-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/11/23 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: On 11/23/2011 5:40 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Yes, this would fit the proposed tag. As you can see from your picture not beeing aware about the tide situation can cost your life. IMHO this kind of road merits its own main highway tag, it

Re: [Tagging] RFC: highway=tidal_road

2011-11-23 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 11/22/11 21:48, Colin Smale wrote: Surely the road in this case simply has tide-related opening times (and a variable surface?). It may be secondary, tertiary, unclassified or whatever. The fact that it is sometimes closed by the tide should be tagged separately from the type of road.

Re: [Tagging] RFC: highway=tidal_road

2011-11-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/11/23 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: I meant: No, the fact that it is sometimes closed by the tide should not be tagged separately from the type of road, because I am not talking about something that is 'basically a normal road just with an extra property'; I am talking about

Re: [Tagging] RFC: highway=tidal_road

2011-11-23 Thread John F. Eldredge
Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 November 2011 16:00, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Don't know, but it is certainly not tidal_road, as that proposal says a road that gets tidally flooded. You are not describing a road. What would you classify it as if the same way

Re: [Tagging] RFC: highway=tidal_road

2011-11-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/11/23 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: What would the correct highway classification be for an Oregon beach? These fall under the Oregon Department of Transportation's jurisdiction despite not being improved for vehicular use (and trying will

[Tagging] RFC: highway=tidal_road

2011-11-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
This is the proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tidal_road there is also http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tidalflat_path which might soon become tidal_path cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] RFC: highway=tidal_road

2011-11-22 Thread Colin Smale
On 22/11/2011 20:45, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: This is the proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tidal_road Surely the road in this case simply has tide-related opening times (and a variable surface?). It may be secondary, tertiary, unclassified or whatever. The fact

Re: [Tagging] RFC: highway=tidal_road

2011-11-22 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 11/22/2011 09:17 PM, Colin Smale wrote: Surely the road in this case simply has tide-related opening times (and a variable surface?). It may be secondary, tertiary, unclassified or whatever. The fact that it is sometimes closed by the tide should be tagged separately from the type of

Re: [Tagging] RFC: highway=tidal_road

2011-11-22 Thread Colin Smale
On 22/11/2011 21:33, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 11/22/2011 09:17 PM, Colin Smale wrote: Surely the road in this case simply has tide-related opening times (and a variable surface?). It may be secondary, tertiary, unclassified or whatever. The fact that it is sometimes closed by the tide

Re: [Tagging] RFC: highway=tidal_road

2011-11-22 Thread Dave F.
On 22/11/2011 20:33, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 11/22/2011 09:17 PM, Colin Smale wrote: Surely the road in this case simply has tide-related opening times (and a variable surface?). It may be secondary, tertiary, unclassified or whatever. The fact that it is sometimes closed by the tide

Re: [Tagging] RFC: highway=tidal_road

2011-11-22 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, 2011-11-22 at 21:59 +, Dave F. wrote: On 22/11/2011 20:33, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 11/22/2011 09:17 PM, Colin Smale wrote: Surely the road in this case simply has tide-related opening times (and a variable surface?). It may be secondary, tertiary, unclassified or

Re: [Tagging] RFC: highway=tidal_road

2011-11-22 Thread Stephen Hope
On 23 November 2011 16:00, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Don't know, but it is certainly not tidal_road, as that proposal says a road that gets tidally flooded. You are not describing a road. What would you classify it as if the same way happened to be inland, with no tides involved?