Re: [Tagging] Relation for saying x is attached to y?

2010-09-05 Thread Peter Wendorff
On 05.09.2010 09:23, Steve Bennett wrote: On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote: I'm sure, there has to be a way for renderers to collapse parallel ways to one - without explicit tagging in the database. The railway example is only one of more

Re: [Tagging] Relation for saying x is attached to y?

2010-09-04 Thread Peter Wendorff
On 04.09.2010 07:00, Steve Bennett wrote: Any existing renderer would not render C at all. Any renderer (or other tool) that added support for railway=train_line, would presumably also add support for the relation. As that's right from the applications point of view, keep in mind the need for

Re: [Tagging] Relation for saying x is attached to y?

2010-09-04 Thread Colin Smale
On 04/09/2010 06:53, Steve Bennett wrote: On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 2:37 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: so you are talking about rendering? Primarily, yes. But could be useful for other applications. For example, to do public transport routing, you would want to operate

Re: [Tagging] Relation for saying x is attached to y?

2010-09-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 2:37 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: so you are talking about rendering? Primarily, yes. But could be useful for other applications. For example, to do public transport routing, you would want to operate at the level of the train line, not at the

Re: [Tagging] Relation for saying x is attached to y?

2010-09-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 9:59 AM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: The problem is that, even if you have a tag on the shared way indicating use this only for zoom X or below, and tags on the separate ways saying use this only for zoom Y and above, there are likely to be some

Re: [Tagging] Relation for saying x is attached to y?

2010-09-02 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:46 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: There is a proposal for a tracks= tag: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Multiple_Tracks Ok, two points: 1) That's a mechanism for only having a single way, and coding information about the number of tracks.

Re: [Tagging] Relation for saying x is attached to y?

2010-09-02 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/2 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:46 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: There is a proposal for a tracks= tag: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Multiple_Tracks Ok, two points: 1) That's a mechanism for only having a single way, and

Re: [Tagging] Relation for saying x is attached to y?

2010-09-02 Thread John F. Eldredge
The problem is that, even if you have a tag on the shared way indicating use this only for zoom X or below, and tags on the separate ways saying use this only for zoom Y and above, there are likely to be some rendering programs that will show all three ways, leading to confusion.

Re: [Tagging] Relation for saying x is attached to y?

2010-08-31 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/31 Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net: Based on this discussion, it seems that the best advice to put on my proposal for power generators is: - use site relations where the power=generator objects don't obviously overlap with the buildings they relate to, particularly where you are dealing

Re: [Tagging] Relation for saying x is attached to y?

2010-08-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 2:09 AM, Sebastian Klein basti...@googlemail.com wrote: Isn't it kind of obvious, that a photovoltaic type power generator is located on top of the building rather than inside or below? You may assume a basic level of intelligence from the user of the data and add only

Re: [Tagging] Relation for saying x is attached to y?

2010-08-30 Thread Richard Welty
On 8/30/10 9:06 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/8/29 Pierenpier...@gmail.com: On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps a site relation? I'm not sure it's necessary; any application that needs that information can calculate whether the polygons

Re: [Tagging] Relation for saying x is attached to y?

2010-08-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: i'd lean towards site relations being useful because i think that the computational complexity of doing lots of polygon intersections is being underestimated. yes, for small bounding boxes it's ok, but consider if

Re: [Tagging] Relation for saying x is attached to y?

2010-08-30 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/30 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Yep. Polygon collisions can also be accidental, like when two objects from slightly different sources (say one gps, one aerial imagery) are near each other. I'd consider this mapping failure actually. More than believing in gps- and

Re: [Tagging] Relation for saying x is attached to y?

2010-08-30 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/30 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: - these objects express the same thing as that object but in more detail (eg, one line representing a pair or more of train lines) in this actual example you don't need relations but can do as with streets (lanes-tag). I'm not sure on the

Re: [Tagging] Relation for saying x is attached to y?

2010-08-30 Thread Phil! Gold
* M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com [2010-08-30 17:40 +0200]: 2010/8/30 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: - these objects express the same thing as that object but in more detail (eg, one line representing a pair or more of train lines) in this actual example you don't

[Tagging] Relation for saying x is attached to y?

2010-08-29 Thread Tom Chance
Hi there, I want a way of creating an object for an energy generator and then saying this is on top of / inside this building object. Here is an example of one such object: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/35802300 I checked on the wiki page and couldn't see any established or proposed

Re: [Tagging] Relation for saying x is attached to y?

2010-08-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 5:32 AM, Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net wrote: Hi there, I want a way of creating an object for an energy generator and then saying this is on top of / inside this building object. Here is an example of one such object: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/35802300

Re: [Tagging] Relation for saying x is attached to y?

2010-08-29 Thread Pieren
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.comwrote: Perhaps a site relation? I'm not sure it's necessary; any application that needs that information can calculate whether the polygons overlap. Yes, the topology shows what is inside or outside the polygon. And you

Re: [Tagging] Relation for saying x is attached to y?

2010-08-29 Thread Sebastian Klein
Tom Chance wrote: Hi there, I want a way of creating an object for an energy generator and then saying this is on top of / inside this building object. Here is an example of one such object: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/35802300 I checked on the wiki page and couldn't see any