Re: [Tagging] Request for assistance in creating a tag.

[Paul Allen]

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 at 17:48,  wrote:

>
> I even do not know whether there is a consensus.
>

 Not yet.  Maybe never.


> In Germany, we use "amenity=clinic" often for everything which has not
> "hospital" (in german) in their name but looks like a hospital, often the
> difference is just emergency=no.
>

That sounds like the distinction between what the UK calls a general
hospital
(big, with emergency unit) and a cottage hospital (small, with only a minor
injuries unit).  Both have inpatient beds.  Both have "hospital" in their
names.

But in the UK we're moving away from cottage hospitals to "Integrated Care
Centres."  They include much of what a cottage hospital did and also other
things like a doctors' general practice and social workers.  But, crucially,
no inpatient beds.  They're not called hospitals by the health boards and
the
public don't think of them as hospitals because there are no beds.  They
include departments that would be tagged as clinics in their own right
if they were stand-alone, such as X-ray and physiotherapy.  Too big
to be tagged as a clinic, no beds so they're not a hospital.

Something else we could use a tag for.  We either need to be able to
specify hospital types such as general and cottage, then hammer the
square peg of an integrated care centre into the round hole of a
type of hospital or we need healthcare=integrated_care_centre.

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Re: [Tagging] Request for assistance in creating a tag.

[Lukas-458]

So what's the consensus on clinics?  If there is a consenus (rather than the

usual bunfight) I'll amend the wiki pages to make it explicit that clinic

can be used for units/departments/centres in hospitals.

 

I even do not know whether there is a consensus. In Germany, we use "amenity=clinic" often for everything which has not "hospital" (in german) in their name but looks like a hospital, often the difference is just emergency=no. Many of them are healthcare=rehabilitation, is amenity=clinic then still fitting also with that?

 

Lukas


 
 

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On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 at 11:29, Joseph Eisenberg  wrote:



Right, that doesn't work. If the HIV clinic or department has
different details, such as a different name, opening_hours, website,
etc, then it will need to be mapped as a separate feature, such as an
amenity=clinic node inside of the amenity=hospital area.

 
Thanks for giving your view of  the usage of amenity=clinic (and, by

implication, healthcare=clinic as the wiki states it's an alternative

to amenity=clinic).  The wiki pages for healthcare=clinic and

amenity=clinic don't seem to explicitly state that these tags are

appropriate for units/departments/centres of hospitals.

 

I agree with your view.  The value "clinic" may not have been the best we

could have chosen but there doesn't seem to be any other value to use

for the X-ray department, diabetes centre, renal dialysis unit, etc. of a

hospital. Before the current crisis I was mapping my nearest general

hospital and using amenity=clinic + healthcare=clinic in this way.

 

The only reason to think otherwise is that the wiki page on healthcare

lists only two specialities for clinics: abortion and fertility, indicating that

at least one person considered clinics to be standalone and not normally

part of hospitals.

 

So what's the consensus on clinics?  If there is a consenus (rather than the

usual bunfight) I'll amend the wiki pages to make it explicit that clinic

can be used for units/departments/centres in hospitals.

 

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Re: [Tagging] Request for assistance in creating a tag.

[Mikko Tamura]

I think a department or a small office is a better primary tag for hiv
treatment centers/ testing/ dispensary. Usually in our case in the
Philippines, a small building has a clinic and in that clinic there is a
small office space or room/s for hiv testing and for dispensing.

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 9:16 PM Paul Allen  wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 at 11:29, Joseph Eisenberg 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Right, that doesn't work. If the HIV clinic or department has
>> different details, such as a different name, opening_hours, website,
>> etc, then it will need to be mapped as a separate feature, such as an
>> amenity=clinic node inside of the amenity=hospital area.
>>
>
> Thanks for giving your view of  the usage of amenity=clinic (and, by
> implication, healthcare=clinic as the wiki states it's an alternative
> to amenity=clinic).  The wiki pages for healthcare=clinic and
> amenity=clinic don't seem to explicitly state that these tags are
> appropriate for units/departments/centres of hospitals.
>
> I agree with your view.  The value "clinic" may not have been the best we
> could have chosen but there doesn't seem to be any other value to use
> for the X-ray department, diabetes centre, renal dialysis unit, etc. of a
> hospital. Before the current crisis I was mapping my nearest general
> hospital and using amenity=clinic + healthcare=clinic in this way.
>
> The only reason to think otherwise is that the wiki page on healthcare
> lists only two specialities for clinics: abortion and fertility,
> indicating that
> at least one person considered clinics to be standalone and not normally
> part of hospitals.
>
> So what's the consensus on clinics?  If there is a consenus (rather than
> the
> usual bunfight) I'll amend the wiki pages to make it explicit that clinic
> can be used for units/departments/centres in hospitals.
>
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Re: [Tagging] Request for assistance in creating a tag.

[Paul Allen]

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 at 11:29, Joseph Eisenberg 
wrote:

>
> Right, that doesn't work. If the HIV clinic or department has
> different details, such as a different name, opening_hours, website,
> etc, then it will need to be mapped as a separate feature, such as an
> amenity=clinic node inside of the amenity=hospital area.
>

Thanks for giving your view of  the usage of amenity=clinic (and, by
implication, healthcare=clinic as the wiki states it's an alternative
to amenity=clinic).  The wiki pages for healthcare=clinic and
amenity=clinic don't seem to explicitly state that these tags are
appropriate for units/departments/centres of hospitals.

I agree with your view.  The value "clinic" may not have been the best we
could have chosen but there doesn't seem to be any other value to use
for the X-ray department, diabetes centre, renal dialysis unit, etc. of a
hospital. Before the current crisis I was mapping my nearest general
hospital and using amenity=clinic + healthcare=clinic in this way.

The only reason to think otherwise is that the wiki page on healthcare
lists only two specialities for clinics: abortion and fertility, indicating
that
at least one person considered clinics to be standalone and not normally
part of hospitals.

So what's the consensus on clinics?  If there is a consenus (rather than the
usual bunfight) I'll amend the wiki pages to make it explicit that clinic
can be used for units/departments/centres in hospitals.

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Re: [Tagging] Request for assistance in creating a tag.

[Kovoschiz]

>I think one issue is that healthcare tagging in OSM is a big of a mess.
There's the `healthcare`, `medical_service`, `health_service`,
`health_facility` etc. Some are probably from imports where someone
makes up a new tagging scheme, causing further fragmentation and confusion. 

Seems the inactive/abandoned
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Healthcare_2.0, should
be the origin for some of the other tags, to which it is adopted/adapted. It
looks very complex, and had pushbacks at its time as well. To compare, there
are for example `disease:malaria=*`, `disease:ebola=*`, and some
`disease:covid19`, all in <1k use respectively. 

>`hiv_{treatment,medication}=*` could work, but a more general approach
might be nice... 

For the issue at hand, it may be clearer to consider "the thing to be
treated" (be it the virus, or the  virus disease), service, and facility
separately. Specialty is like a broader, higher-level, encompassing concept
that isn't really needed here yet.  

Think we can negate what a service or facility excludes in particular easily
(by a virus/disease key suffix, or conditional tags), after tagging the
viruses/diseases relevant to the object in general first. This beats having
to exhaustively list out what each service supports.


ebel wrote
> On 13.04.20 09:57, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
>>> testing centers/clinics (testing only)
>> 
>> Is this a doctor's office, or is there just a nurse, or just a
>> laboratory technician who can draw blood for the test? If there is a
>> doctor, it might be an amenity=doctors. If there is just a laboratory
>> for testing, that would be a healthcare=laboratory facility.
> 
> What if there's HIV testing at a bar or nightclub? (I'm not joking.) 
> Blood gets taken, but not tested there. “This place does HIV tests 
> (between these hours)”. How would we tag that?
> 
>> For the speciality, it's possible to use something like
>> healthcare:speciality=hiv if that's the only thing that the clinic
>> treats.
>> 
>> But here in Indonesia and back in the USA most clinics that treat HIV
>> also offer treatment for other infectious  conditions, so a different
>> specialty like healthcare:speciality=infectious_diseases would usually
>> be more correct.
>> 
>> I see that in the Phillipines the tag "disease:hiv=yes" has been used:
>> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/disease%3Ahiv#map
>> 
>> In Indonesia and the USA you can get an HIV test at just about any
>> healthcare=laboratory and larger clinics and all hospitals. But if you
>> can only get this done at some specialized places in the Phillipines,
>> you could consider adding a tag like "hiv_testing=yes/no" for clinics,
>> doctor's offices, and laboratories.
>> 
>> Similarly, in the USA it's normal to be able to get hiv medications
>> from standard pharmacies.
> 
> I don't know about US or IN &  HIV drugs, but at least the US has laws 
> allowing pharmacies to refuse to fulfill prescriptions for “religious 
> objection” ( 
> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a3amzp/in-these-states-pharmacists-can-refuse-to-fill-your-prescription-for-religious-beliefs
>  
> ) . Now-a-days that's mostly abortion, but it might be relevant
> 
> “This pharmacy will/will not fill perscriptions for $TREATMENT” is 
> something we could map in OSM. How should we do that?
> 
> But if they are only available from a few
>> pharmacies in your country, you could add a tag like
>> "hiv_medication=yes/no" to an "amenity=pharmacy" facility.
>> 
>> It looks like "medical_service:antiretroviral_therapy=yes" has been
>> used in combination. That seems overlong and complex,  so it would not
>> have been my first choice:
>> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/medical_service%3Aantiretroviral_therapy
> 
> `hiv_{treatment,medication}=*` could work, but a more general approach 
> might be nice...
> 
> I think one issue is that healthcare tagging in OSM is a big of a mess. 
> There's the `healthcare`, `medical_service`, `health_service`, 
> `health_facility` etc. Some are probably from imports where someone 
> makes up a new tagging scheme, causing further fragmentation and
> confusion.
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Re: [Tagging] Request for assistance in creating a tag.

[Warin]

On 13/4/20 8:25 pm, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:

... Currently, what we are tagging is the
hospital. So for example, Manila Hospital (tagged as a hospital) we add the
tags like disease:hiv=yes. say that it is a treatment facility and it
dispenses hiv medicine. But what i am having difficulty is that hiv
facility is treated like a department. You can put in the email address and
contact details of the hospital but if I add the contact details of the Hiv
facility it then gets mixed with the hospital details.

Right, that doesn't work. If the HIV clinic or department has
different details, such as a different name, opening_hours, website,
etc, then it will need to be mapped as a separate feature, such as an
amenity=clinic node inside of the amenity=hospital area.


amenity=clinic in OSM is defined in such a way as not to be useful in this way.



It's common for a big hospital or "medical center" to have many
clinics on the same property or even in the same building. My
residency clinic was in a building inside of Long Beach Medical
Center, which also contained a children's hospital, a nursing home,
labs, radiology, and a number of outpatient clinics in a series of
connected buildings.

Here in Indonesia, a public hospital will have an emergency
department, a surgical building, several buildings for inpatients, a
couple of outpatient clinics, pharmacy, laboratory, radiology, etc.

If you need to add different details for these sorts of features, then
map each as it's own node (or an area, for example if it has a
separate wing or whole building), and tag with amenity= or healthcare=
as appropriate.


I'd go with healthcare. And I'd use department as that is similarly used with 
universities.


For hiv care - yes it is a bit of all a combination. I can't tagged it as a
pharmacy as it only releases specific anti-retroviral drugs.

Any facility which dispenses prescription medication is a pharmacy, in
British and American understanding. Most countries regulate these like
a bigger pharmacy.


Currently We are using this tagging system as assisted by the local OSM
community in the Philippines.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/HIV_Facilities_Tagging_(MapBeks)

That's a rather complicated system. A hospital which offers HIV
treatment is supposed to get all of these tags:

"amenity=hospital"
...
"disease:hiv=yes
"health_service:test=yes
"health_facility:dispensary=yes
"health_service:counselling=yes
"counselling_type:sexual=yes
"medical_service:antiretroviral_therapy=yes
"medical_service:outpatient=yes
"description=DOH HIV Treatment Hub"

This seems overly complicated.

A few tags seem unnecessary or unclear:

"medical_service:outpatient=yes" - almost all hospitals offer
outpatient services.

"health_service:test=yes" - this is quite vague. It would be better to
use healthcare=laborator (as a node at the actual location of the
laboratory) or "hiv_test=yes" if only rapid HIV testing is offered
rather than a complete laboratory.

"health_facility:dispensary=yes" - if there is a pharmacy or a
dispensary, it would be better to tag this as "amenity=pharmacy" at
the actual location. I suppose if there is no pharmacist and it's just
a doctor's office or nurses who give out medications, then a shorter
tag like "dispensing=yes" would be proper to add to the clinic or
office. See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:dispensing

"description=DOH HIV Treatment Hub" - it would be better to add this
as a tag, like "hiv_treatment_hub=yes" rather than use description

(I also would not add healthcare=clinic or healthcare=hospital - just
use amenity=hospital or amenity=clinic, no need to add a second tag
with the same meaning.)

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Re: [Tagging] Request for assistance in creating a tag.

[Joseph Eisenberg]

> ... Currently, what we are tagging is the
> hospital. So for example, Manila Hospital (tagged as a hospital) we add the
> tags like disease:hiv=yes. say that it is a treatment facility and it
> dispenses hiv medicine. But what i am having difficulty is that hiv
> facility is treated like a department. You can put in the email address and
> contact details of the hospital but if I add the contact details of the Hiv
> facility it then gets mixed with the hospital details.

Right, that doesn't work. If the HIV clinic or department has
different details, such as a different name, opening_hours, website,
etc, then it will need to be mapped as a separate feature, such as an
amenity=clinic node inside of the amenity=hospital area.

It's common for a big hospital or "medical center" to have many
clinics on the same property or even in the same building. My
residency clinic was in a building inside of Long Beach Medical
Center, which also contained a children's hospital, a nursing home,
labs, radiology, and a number of outpatient clinics in a series of
connected buildings.

Here in Indonesia, a public hospital will have an emergency
department, a surgical building, several buildings for inpatients, a
couple of outpatient clinics, pharmacy, laboratory, radiology, etc.

If you need to add different details for these sorts of features, then
map each as it's own node (or an area, for example if it has a
separate wing or whole building), and tag with amenity= or healthcare=
as appropriate.

> For hiv care - yes it is a bit of all a combination. I can't tagged it as a
> pharmacy as it only releases specific anti-retroviral drugs.

Any facility which dispenses prescription medication is a pharmacy, in
British and American understanding. Most countries regulate these like
a bigger pharmacy.

> Currently We are using this tagging system as assisted by the local OSM
> community in the Philippines.
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/HIV_Facilities_Tagging_(MapBeks)

That's a rather complicated system. A hospital which offers HIV
treatment is supposed to get all of these tags:

"amenity=hospital"
...
"disease:hiv=yes
"health_service:test=yes
"health_facility:dispensary=yes
"health_service:counselling=yes
"counselling_type:sexual=yes
"medical_service:antiretroviral_therapy=yes
"medical_service:outpatient=yes
"description=DOH HIV Treatment Hub"

This seems overly complicated.

A few tags seem unnecessary or unclear:

"medical_service:outpatient=yes" - almost all hospitals offer
outpatient services.

"health_service:test=yes" - this is quite vague. It would be better to
use healthcare=laborator (as a node at the actual location of the
laboratory) or "hiv_test=yes" if only rapid HIV testing is offered
rather than a complete laboratory.

"health_facility:dispensary=yes" - if there is a pharmacy or a
dispensary, it would be better to tag this as "amenity=pharmacy" at
the actual location. I suppose if there is no pharmacist and it's just
a doctor's office or nurses who give out medications, then a shorter
tag like "dispensing=yes" would be proper to add to the clinic or
office. See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:dispensing

"description=DOH HIV Treatment Hub" - it would be better to add this
as a tag, like "hiv_treatment_hub=yes" rather than use description

(I also would not add healthcare=clinic or healthcare=hospital - just
use amenity=hospital or amenity=clinic, no need to add a second tag
with the same meaning.)

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Re: [Tagging] Request for assistance in creating a tag.

[Rory McCann]

On 13.04.20 09:57, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:

testing centers/clinics (testing only)


Is this a doctor's office, or is there just a nurse, or just a
laboratory technician who can draw blood for the test? If there is a
doctor, it might be an amenity=doctors. If there is just a laboratory
for testing, that would be a healthcare=laboratory facility.


What if there's HIV testing at a bar or nightclub? (I'm not joking.) 
Blood gets taken, but not tested there. “This place does HIV tests 
(between these hours)”. How would we tag that?



For the speciality, it's possible to use something like
healthcare:speciality=hiv if that's the only thing that the clinic
treats.

But here in Indonesia and back in the USA most clinics that treat HIV
also offer treatment for other infectious  conditions, so a different
specialty like healthcare:speciality=infectious_diseases would usually
be more correct.

I see that in the Phillipines the tag "disease:hiv=yes" has been used:
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/disease%3Ahiv#map

In Indonesia and the USA you can get an HIV test at just about any
healthcare=laboratory and larger clinics and all hospitals. But if you
can only get this done at some specialized places in the Phillipines,
you could consider adding a tag like "hiv_testing=yes/no" for clinics,
doctor's offices, and laboratories.

Similarly, in the USA it's normal to be able to get hiv medications
from standard pharmacies.


I don't know about US or IN &  HIV drugs, but at least the US has laws 
allowing pharmacies to refuse to fulfill prescriptions for “religious 
objection” ( 
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a3amzp/in-these-states-pharmacists-can-refuse-to-fill-your-prescription-for-religious-beliefs 
) . Now-a-days that's mostly abortion, but it might be relevant


“This pharmacy will/will not fill perscriptions for $TREATMENT” is 
something we could map in OSM. How should we do that?


But if they are only available from a few

pharmacies in your country, you could add a tag like
"hiv_medication=yes/no" to an "amenity=pharmacy" facility.

It looks like "medical_service:antiretroviral_therapy=yes" has been
used in combination. That seems overlong and complex,  so it would not
have been my first choice:
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/medical_service%3Aantiretroviral_therapy


`hiv_{treatment,medication}=*` could work, but a more general approach 
might be nice...


I think one issue is that healthcare tagging in OSM is a big of a mess. 
There's the `healthcare`, `medical_service`, `health_service`, 
`health_facility` etc. Some are probably from imports where someone 
makes up a new tagging scheme, causing further fragmentation and confusion.


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Re: [Tagging] Request for assistance in creating a tag.

[Mikko Tamura]

Thank you for the wonderful insights. Currently, what we are tagging is the
hospital. So for example, Manila Hospital (tagged as a hospital) we add the
tags like disease:hiv=yes. say that it is a treatment facility and it
dispenses hiv medicine. But what i am having difficulty is that hiv
facility is treated like a department. You can put in the email address and
contact details of the hospital but if I add the contact details of the Hiv
facility it then gets mixed with the hospital details.

In this case A hospital can have a clinic specifically for HIV, and a
clinic can also have a small office for HIV patients (not specifically
another clinic).



Thanks Joseph and Warin most. of the cases are really similar here.

For treatment hubs - yes this is for inpatients similarly for the one you
described. This is are mostly hospitals but in some cases clinics. My
problem here is that a big hospital has alot of contact details for the
hospital so the information and contact details for the hiv treatment
facility are mixed.

For hiv care - yes it is a bit of all a combination. I cant tagged it as a
pharmacy as it only releases specific anti-retroviral drugs.

Currently We are using this tagging system as assisted by the local OSM
community in the Philippines.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/HIV_Facilities_Tagging_(MapBeks)

But I feel the feature gets overshadowed by the hospital/clinic/social
facility/office tag. Your thoughts would be very helpful.

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 3:58 PM Joseph Eisenberg 
wrote:

> > Treatment hubs (in patient + dispensaries+ testing):
>
> Are you sure you mean "inpatient?" An "inpatient" facility, in
> American English, is a hospital which has beds where patients are
> cared for overnight.
>
> This would be mapped as amenity=hospital for the main feature, most likely.
>
> > primary hiv care (dispensaries+testing)
>
> You don't mention care by a nurse or physician, but I assume this is
> an amenity=clinic (with physicians and nurses) which also has an
> amenity=pharmacy in the same building. There might also be a
> healthcare=laboratory at the location.
>
> > testing centers/clinics (testing only)
>
> Is this a doctor's office, or is there just a nurse, or just a
> laboratory technician who can draw blood for the test? If there is a
> doctor, it might be an amenity=doctors. If there is just a laboratory
> for testing, that would be a healthcare=laboratory facility.
>
> For the speciality, it's possible to use something like
> healthcare:speciality=hiv if that's the only thing that the clinic
> treats.
>
> But here in Indonesia and back in the USA most clinics that treat HIV
> also offer treatment for other infectious  conditions, so a different
> specialty like healthcare:speciality=infectious_diseases would usually
> be more correct.
>
> I see that in the Phillipines the tag "disease:hiv=yes" has been used:
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/disease%3Ahiv#map
>
> In Indonesia and the USA you can get an HIV test at just about any
> healthcare=laboratory and larger clinics and all hospitals. But if you
> can only get this done at some specialized places in the Phillipines,
> you could consider adding a tag like "hiv_testing=yes/no" for clinics,
> doctor's offices, and laboratories.
>
> Similarly, in the USA it's normal to be able to get hiv medications
> from standard pharmacies. But if they are only available from a few
> pharmacies in your country, you could add a tag like
> "hiv_medication=yes/no" to an "amenity=pharmacy" facility.
>
> It looks like "medical_service:antiretroviral_therapy=yes" has been
> used in combination. That seems overlong and complex,  so it would not
> have been my first choice:
>
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/medical_service%3Aantiretroviral_therapy
>
> -- Joseph Eisenberg
>
> On 4/13/20, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > At present there is the key healtcare.
> >
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:healthcare
> >
> > Some initial thoughts?
> >
> > healthcare:specialty=HIV_testing
> >
> > healthcare:specialty=HIV_treatment
> >
> > HIV dispensary ... would be a pharmacy?
> >
> > amenity =pharmacy and
> > dispensing =HIV
> >
> > ???Hopefully there will be better ideas.
> >
> > On 13/4/20 4:32 pm, Mikko Tamura wrote:
> >> Good day, fellow OSM tagging experts. I would like to ask assistance
> >> in creating a tag for HIV facilities. We have created a tagging system
> >> for hiv facilities here in the Philippines but it seems to be too
> >> extensive. We would like it to be more simple. I hope you can help me
> >> with it. I am reading the wiki page and Im having a challenging time
> >> doing it.
> >>
> >> Some background: We have 3 types of HIV facilities/clinics. Treatment
> >> hubs (in patient + dispensaries+ testing), primary hiv care
> >> (dispensaries+testing) and testing centers/clinics (testing only). We
> >> have 

Re: [Tagging] Request for assistance in creating a tag.

[Joseph Eisenberg]

> Treatment hubs (in patient + dispensaries+ testing):

Are you sure you mean "inpatient?" An "inpatient" facility, in
American English, is a hospital which has beds where patients are
cared for overnight.

This would be mapped as amenity=hospital for the main feature, most likely.

> primary hiv care (dispensaries+testing)

You don't mention care by a nurse or physician, but I assume this is
an amenity=clinic (with physicians and nurses) which also has an
amenity=pharmacy in the same building. There might also be a
healthcare=laboratory at the location.

> testing centers/clinics (testing only)

Is this a doctor's office, or is there just a nurse, or just a
laboratory technician who can draw blood for the test? If there is a
doctor, it might be an amenity=doctors. If there is just a laboratory
for testing, that would be a healthcare=laboratory facility.

For the speciality, it's possible to use something like
healthcare:speciality=hiv if that's the only thing that the clinic
treats.

But here in Indonesia and back in the USA most clinics that treat HIV
also offer treatment for other infectious  conditions, so a different
specialty like healthcare:speciality=infectious_diseases would usually
be more correct.

I see that in the Phillipines the tag "disease:hiv=yes" has been used:
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/disease%3Ahiv#map

In Indonesia and the USA you can get an HIV test at just about any
healthcare=laboratory and larger clinics and all hospitals. But if you
can only get this done at some specialized places in the Phillipines,
you could consider adding a tag like "hiv_testing=yes/no" for clinics,
doctor's offices, and laboratories.

Similarly, in the USA it's normal to be able to get hiv medications
from standard pharmacies. But if they are only available from a few
pharmacies in your country, you could add a tag like
"hiv_medication=yes/no" to an "amenity=pharmacy" facility.

It looks like "medical_service:antiretroviral_therapy=yes" has been
used in combination. That seems overlong and complex,  so it would not
have been my first choice:
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/medical_service%3Aantiretroviral_therapy

-- Joseph Eisenberg

On 4/13/20, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> At present there is the key healtcare.
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:healthcare
>
> Some initial thoughts?
>
> healthcare:specialty=HIV_testing
>
> healthcare:specialty=HIV_treatment
>
> HIV dispensary ... would be a pharmacy?
>
> amenity =pharmacy and
> dispensing =HIV
>
> ???Hopefully there will be better ideas.
>
> On 13/4/20 4:32 pm, Mikko Tamura wrote:
>> Good day, fellow OSM tagging experts. I would like to ask assistance
>> in creating a tag for HIV facilities. We have created a tagging system
>> for hiv facilities here in the Philippines but it seems to be too
>> extensive. We would like it to be more simple. I hope you can help me
>> with it. I am reading the wiki page and Im having a challenging time
>> doing it.
>>
>> Some background: We have 3 types of HIV facilities/clinics. Treatment
>> hubs (in patient + dispensaries+ testing), primary hiv care
>> (dispensaries+testing) and testing centers/clinics (testing only). We
>> have started tagging hospitals which have this features and honestly I
>> am guessing this would eventually get mixed up with the other tagging
>> like the contact number of the hospital, etc. Hopefully, we can
>> represent it with a node with basic details specifically for that
>> clinic/department.
>>
>> Hope someone can guide us and thank you in advance.
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[Warin]

At present there is the key healtcare.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:healthcare

Some initial thoughts?

healthcare:specialty=HIV_testing

healthcare:specialty=HIV_treatment

HIV dispensary ... would be a pharmacy?

amenity =pharmacy and 
dispensing =HIV


???Hopefully there will be better ideas.

On 13/4/20 4:32 pm, Mikko Tamura wrote:
Good day, fellow OSM tagging experts. I would like to ask assistance 
in creating a tag for HIV facilities. We have created a tagging system 
for hiv facilities here in the Philippines but it seems to be too 
extensive. We would like it to be more simple. I hope you can help me 
with it. I am reading the wiki page and Im having a challenging time 
doing it.


Some background: We have 3 types of HIV facilities/clinics. Treatment 
hubs (in patient + dispensaries+ testing), primary hiv care 
(dispensaries+testing) and testing centers/clinics (testing only). We 
have started tagging hospitals which have this features and honestly I 
am guessing this would eventually get mixed up with the other tagging 
like the contact number of the hospital, etc. Hopefully, we can 
represent it with a node with basic details specifically for that 
clinic/department.


Hope someone can guide us and thank you in advance.
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*
*
*
*MIKKO L. TAMURA*
/*Administrator*/
/Map Beks Initiative/
/
/
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/Pilipinas Chubs X Chasers/
/
/
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/OpenStreetMap Philippines/
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[Tagging] Request for assistance in creating a tag.

[Mikko Tamura]

Good day, fellow OSM tagging experts. I would like to ask assistance in
creating a tag for HIV facilities. We have created a tagging system for hiv
facilities here in the Philippines but it seems to be too extensive. We
would like it to be more simple. I hope you can help me with it. I am
reading the wiki page and Im having a challenging time doing it.

Some background: We have 3 types of HIV facilities/clinics. Treatment hubs
(in patient + dispensaries+ testing), primary hiv care
(dispensaries+testing) and testing centers/clinics (testing only). We have
started tagging hospitals which have this features and honestly I am
guessing this would eventually get mixed up with the other tagging like the
contact number of the hospital, etc. Hopefully, we can represent it with a
node with basic details specifically for that clinic/department.

Hope someone can guide us and thank you in advance.
-- 


*MIKKO L. TAMURA*
*Administrator*
*Map Beks Initiative*

*Externals Head*
*Pilipinas Chubs X Chasers*

*Volunteer Mapper*
*OpenStreetMap Philippines*
*Contact Number: +639052320416*
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