Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-08-06 Thread Marc Gemis
I probably should have used "desirable" instead of "required" (*), but even then this is not "desirable" for countries where postal code boundaries are mapped as relations. (*) please look at the video and see which text is pasted in the Wikibase definition for addr:street. On Tue, Aug 6, 2019

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-08-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 6. Aug 2019, at 15:49, Tod Fitch wrote: > > But if you are asking me to knock on doors in residential areas or ask total > strangers who look like they might be locals what their ZIP code is as I > collect non-business addresses you are asking too much. I didn’t say

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-08-06 Thread marc marc
Le 06.08.19 à 15:49, Tod Fitch a écrit : > ZIP code for an address is desirable to provide completeness. But making it a > requirement? No. I agree. where is the zip code an requirement ? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-08-06 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Aug 6, 2019, at 12:56 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > sent from a phone > >> On 6. Aug 2019, at 05:33, Tod Fitch wrote: >> >> When I walk down a street collecting house numbers I have no indication of >> the ZIP code of each building. If you require ZIP codes then I am forced

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-08-05 Thread Tod Fitch
Requiring postal codes on addresses makes no sense even in countries that use ZIP codes. When I walk down a street collecting house numbers I have no indication of the ZIP code of each building. If you require ZIP codes then I am forced into an import situation rather than a field survey.

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-08-05 Thread Marc Gemis
and what if I do not agree with the English text. I saw the example for addr:street in your movie. The description now says you have to add addr:postal_code. This is not true for countries whare postal code boundaries are mapped. I do agree that this is needed in countries that use ZIP codes

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-08-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Thanks, I've got it now. The problem with the wikibase data item "labels": if you go to add the description in another language for a recently created wiki page, the top left of the page has a very large, gray text heading like "No Label Defined" (but in Indonesian, or Spanish, etc), which

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-08-04 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Joseph, you don't need to use preferences - just click the language switcher at the very top of the page, and you only need to switch to Indonesian and back once -- the interface will always offer both choices to fill out. Please see the video, and let me know if what you see is different. You

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-08-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Thanks, yes, changing the language under “preferences” for the wiki works, though it’s a little annoying. You should set the label field for all languages to the key=value or remove this field and display the key=value at the top of the page anyway. It’s quite distracting Now. Is there a way to

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-08-04 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
P.S. I made a short video on how to add descriptions and translations https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI1NDD4MtC4 On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 11:56 AM Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > Joseph, before you click "edit description", change your language at the > top of the wiki page (make sure you are logged

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-08-04 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Joseph, before you click "edit description", change your language at the top of the wiki page (make sure you are logged in. Also, if you change the language a few times to the ones you know, e.g. to Indonesian, to Spanish, and then to English, I think interface will always offer you to enter

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-08-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
You're right, I was a little confused. Almost all the features on Map Features have a wiki page (and those that don't should get a page or more likely be removed), so I understand that they have an OSM wikibase entry, now, and creating the data item isn't an issue. But I still can't figure out

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-08-04 Thread Andrew Hain
How would you stop the bot from going down and protect against whoever runs it leaving OSM? -- Andrew From: Yuri Astrakhan Sent: 03 August 2019 23:06 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features The biggest

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-08-04 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
t;> Talk:Taginfo/Taglists - OpenStreetMap Wiki > >> < > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Taginfo/Taglists#Server_scripts_as_alternative_taglists > > > >> Languages. This is a very cool feature! One question: Could the template > >> get the languga

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-08-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ld the template >> get the langugage automatically? I know this is done on some templates >> (e.g. Template:Tag).-- Jojo4u 17:20, 20 August 2015 (UTC) . I am not a >> template wizard. >> wiki.openstreetmap.org >> >> -- >>

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-08-03 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
-- > *From:* Joseph Eisenberg > *Sent:* 02 August 2019 14:22 > *To:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools < > tagging@openstreetmap.org> > *Subject:* Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features > > Andrew, > > I now think it is a good idea to

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-08-03 Thread Andrew Hain
ap.org From: Joseph Eisenberg Sent: 02 August 2019 14:22 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features Andrew, I now think it is a good idea to switch to taglists for all of the Map Feature page templates. It will make i

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-08-02 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Andrew, I now think it is a good idea to switch to taglists for all of the Map Feature page templates. It will make it much easier to keep the pages consistent and to a reasonable length if all of the descriptions are pulled from the wiki pages directly (just as is done for descriptions used by

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-07-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 11. Jul 2019, at 10:53, Paul Allen wrote: > > Oh, you mean how do you create a page for an in-use, but undocumented, key or > value > in a way that won't cause somebody to throw a wobbler and insist you delete > the page? > That's probably not possible. :) People

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-07-11 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 at 00:47, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > So how do we go with creating a page for a tag that is "in use" but has > apparently never been discussed? > Same way you create any page. Search for the key, or key=value and if it doesn't already exist the Wiki offers to let you

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-07-10 Thread Warin
On 11/07/19 09:46, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 at 08:20, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com > wrote: With the above additional qualification to de facto, 'In use' becomes a frequently used tag without any criticism. The difference

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-07-10 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 at 08:20, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > With the above additional qualification to de facto, 'In use' becomes a > frequently used tag without any criticism. > The difference between the two is historical, before or after the adoption > of the approval process. > It

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-07-10 Thread Warin
On 10/07/19 20:06, marc marc wrote: Le 07.07.19 à 10:31, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : the difference between "de facto" and "in use" is unclear at the moment. approved : a proposal was made and approved during the vote. no proposal has in the meantime depreciated this tag. de facto: a not-voted

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-07-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 10. Jul 2019, at 12:06, marc marc wrote: > > landuse=forest<>natural=wood" could probably be in this situation > since there is not a de facto tag to use to describe a forest but 2. actually those are both de-facto (if there wasn’t any voting), and their meaning is

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-07-10 Thread marc marc
Le 07.07.19 à 10:31, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > the difference between "de facto" and "in use" > is unclear at the moment. approved : a proposal was made and approved during the vote. no proposal has in the meantime depreciated this tag. de facto: a not-voted tag but whose important use and

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-07-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 7. Jul 2019, at 09:02, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > status=de facto means it was in use before the tagging list made up the > approval process, and is generally accepted? defacto means the tag is in significant use and is generally accepted, and no

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-07-07 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> status=de facto means it was in use before the tagging list made up the > approval process, and is generally accepted? The "De facto" is not only used for tags that were created before the approval process started. A number of more recent tags (post-2008) have status "de facto" and are listed

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-07-07 Thread Warin
On 07/07/19 10:42, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: From the talk page: I propose to tackle the varying quality of this page in different languages by changing Map Features to a single multilingual page that outputs its text in the user’s preferred interface language. The tag tables can be generated

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-07-06 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
From the talk page: >I propose to tackle the varying quality of this page in different languages by >changing Map >Features to a single multilingual page that outputs its text in the user’s >preferred interface >language. >The tag tables can be generated from Taginfo/Taglists. For the best

[Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-07-06 Thread Andrew Hain
I have been working on a scheme to improve the cross-language quality of Map Features. [https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Map_Features#Reimagining_Map_Features] Of course the page may deserve a bigger or deeper rethink. -- Andrew Talk:Map Features - OpenStreetMap