Re: [Tagging] Roads with no speed limits

2016-09-03 Thread John F. Eldredge
One city street here in Nashville, TN, USA went several decades with no speed limit signs at all. Then, one day, it suddenly had "Speed Limit 30 MPH" signs every few hundred feet. My guess is that someone successfully argued their way out of a speeding ticket, stating that they weren't

Re: [Tagging] Roads with no speed limits

2016-09-03 Thread Colin Smale
On 2016-09-03 16:39, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2016-09-03 15:57 GMT+02:00 Colin Smale : > >> That will only work if the road types are mapped correctly to their official >> legal status, and not to how they appear. > > There not the one "legal status", at least not in

Re: [Tagging] Roads with no speed limits

2016-09-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-09-03 15:57 GMT+02:00 Colin Smale : > That will only work if the road types are mapped correctly to their > official legal status, and not to how they appear. There not the one "legal status", at least not in Germany. There's the maintainer of the road, e.g. "Bund",

Re: [Tagging] Roads with no speed limits

2016-09-03 Thread Greg Troxel
Colin Smale writes: > These maxspeeds derived from highway type are perfectly verifiable - by > checking the highway laws of the territory concerned. A motorway in the > UK has a maxspeed of 70mph, and you don't need a speed limit sign to > tell you that. In Europe when

Re: [Tagging] Roads with no speed limits

2016-09-03 Thread Colin Smale
That will only work if the road types are mapped correctly to their official legal status, and not to how they appear. The legal maxspeed on a road is (unless otherwise signposted) derived from the official status of a road and should not be subject to "duck tagging". A trunk road may to all

Re: [Tagging] Roads with no speed limits

2016-09-03 Thread Hakuch
On 30.08.2016 18:15, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > >> Il giorno 30 ago 2016, alle ore 12:45, Hakuch ha scritto: >> >> "Don't map your local legislation, if not bound to objects in reality" > > > default speed limits are bound to physical objects: the

Re: [Tagging] Roads with no speed limits

2016-09-03 Thread Hakuch
On 30.08.2016 13:59, David Marchal wrote: > AFAIK, no maxspeed value means that the default maximum speed > for this type of road in this area applies, so I wouldn't add this > tag when there is no sign; that would also fulfill the "Map what's on > the ground" principle. Beware that, if there

Re: [Tagging] Roads with no speed limits

2016-08-30 Thread Warin
On 8/31/2016 7:17 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone Il giorno 30 ago 2016, alle ore 19:18, yo paseopor > ha scritto: The only developed country with no limits in some pieces of their ways is Germany I think also the

Re: [Tagging] Roads with no speed limits

2016-08-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 30 ago 2016, alle ore 19:18, yo paseopor ha > scritto: > > The only developed country with no limits in some pieces of their ways is > Germany I think also the Northern Territory of Australia has no general speed limit-not sure if they

Re: [Tagging] Roads with no speed limits

2016-08-30 Thread yo paseopor
I think you can put the information if you know it. The only developed country with no limits in some pieces of their ways is Germany, and the other pieces have the traffic signs (remember now you can put it also in OSM with ISO two-letter country). In England in some pieces of road there's no

Re: [Tagging] Roads with no speed limits

2016-08-30 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Hans De Kryger wrote: > Here in Phoenix Arizona more than half the freeway off ramps have no > listed speed limit. Does (maxspeed=none) work? I've worked hard here in the > valley adding speed limits and when you look at the ito map it

Re: [Tagging] Roads with no speed limits

2016-08-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 30 ago 2016, alle ore 12:45, Hakuch ha scritto: > > "Don't map your local legislation, if not bound to objects in reality" default speed limits are bound to physical objects: the freeway, the urban road, etc. cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] Roads with no speed limits

2016-08-30 Thread Colin Smale
On 2016-08-30 13:59, David Marchal wrote: > AFAIK, no maxspeed value means that the default maximum speed for this type > of road in this area applies, so I wouldn't add this tag when there is no > sign; Are you sure the type of road *for these purposes* can be derived from the other tagging?

Re: [Tagging] Roads with no speed limits

2016-08-30 Thread David Marchal
o: tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Tagging] Roads with no speed limits Here in Phoenix Arizona more than half the freeway off ramps have no listed speed limit. Does (maxspeed=none) work? I've worked hard here in the valley adding speed limits and when you look at the ito map it looks like no one

Re: [Tagging] Roads with no speed limits

2016-08-30 Thread Hakuch
On 30.08.2016 12:45, Hakuch wrote: > On 28.08.2016 21:35, Hans De Kryger wrote: >> Here in Phoenix Arizona more than half the freeway off ramps have no listed >> speed limit. Does (maxspeed=none) work? I've worked hard here in the valley >> adding speed limits and when you look at the ito map it

Re: [Tagging] Roads with no speed limits

2016-08-30 Thread Hakuch
On 28.08.2016 21:35, Hans De Kryger wrote: > Here in Phoenix Arizona more than half the freeway off ramps have no listed > speed limit. Does (maxspeed=none) work? I've worked hard here in the valley > adding speed limits and when you look at the ito map it looks like no one > added any to the off

Re: [Tagging] Roads with no speed limits

2016-08-28 Thread Warin
In Australia (and I'd think most other parts of the world) The speed limit sign you last saw is in effect untill you see another sign. In Australia it might be 100 or more miles between signs. On 8/29/2016 7:51 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone Il giorno 28 ago 2016, alle

Re: [Tagging] Roads with no speed limits

2016-08-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 28 ago 2016, alle ore 22:54, Hans De Kryger > ha scritto: > > My guess was also what Todd said. Same as the freeway. that's also the situation in Germany: the motorway limit reaches until the end of the motorway which is typically

Re: [Tagging] Roads with no speed limits

2016-08-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 28 ago 2016, alle ore 22:02, Michael Reichert ha > scritto: > > Therefore the speed is only limited by the power of the engine. I guess you just forgot to add road conditions, traffic conditions and weather conditions to this, as well as the

Re: [Tagging] Roads with no speed limits

2016-08-28 Thread Hans De Kryger
Most of the off ramps are only a quarter of a mile long. I don ​'​ t think they care to post signs. My guess was also what Todd said. Same as the freeway. *​Clifford, (* Martin pointed to the correct ​ link​ ​)​ Example https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/23811460#map=17/33.53468/-112.26798​

Re: [Tagging] Roads with no speed limits

2016-08-28 Thread yo paseopor
maxspeed=implicit isn't ? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source:maxspeed http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:source:maxspeed%3Dimplicit yopaseopor ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Roads with no speed limits

2016-08-28 Thread Michael Reichert
Hi Hans, Am 28.08.2016 um 21:35 schrieb Hans De Kryger: > Here in Phoenix Arizona more than half the freeway off ramps have no listed > speed limit. Does (maxspeed=none) work? I've worked hard here in the valley > adding speed limits and when you look at the ito map it looks like no one > added

Re: [Tagging] Roads with no speed limits

2016-08-28 Thread Colin Smale
Is there really no limit, or is is just not signposted? Maxspeed=none sounds like "unlimited" to me, and I find it difficult to believe you can drive at any speed you like. If it is just not signposted, I would suggest either to not tag it or to use the value the law prescribes. --colin On

Re: [Tagging] Roads with no speed limits

2016-08-28 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Aug 28, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Hans De Kryger > wrote: > > Here in Phoenix Arizona more than half the freeway off ramps have no listed > speed limit. Does (maxspeed=none) work? I've worked hard here in the valley > adding speed limits and when you look at the ito

Re: [Tagging] Roads with no speed limits

2016-08-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 28 ago 2016, alle ore 21:35, Hans De Kryger > ha scritto: > > Here in Phoenix Arizona more than half the freeway off ramps have no listed > speed limit. Does (maxspeed=none) work? according to this page, the highest speed limit in

Re: [Tagging] Roads with no speed limits

2016-08-28 Thread Clifford Snow
Hans, Is there a state law that applies? Clifford On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Hans De Kryger wrote: > Here in Phoenix Arizona more than half the freeway off ramps have no > listed speed limit. Does (maxspeed=none) work? I've worked hard here in the > valley

[Tagging] Roads with no speed limits

2016-08-28 Thread Hans De Kryger
Here in Phoenix Arizona more than half the freeway off ramps have no listed speed limit. Does (maxspeed=none) work? I've worked hard here in the valley adding speed limits and when you look at the ito map it looks like no one added any to the off ramps when in fact most of them have been surveyed