Re: [Tagging] Tagging 'averaged' paths in rural Mali
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Andrew Errington erringt...@gmail.com wrote: How about drawing a single 'representative' way as you have been doing, and adding width=100? ?? and why not 500... First, from what I can see on this aerial imagery, congratulation. It is very hard to distinguish something on these pictures. What I see is not a 'highway' but more an informal track in the desert or the shortest way between point A and point B. Something that will disappear or change after the next sandstorm. Maybe try a new highway=track + tracktype=grade6 where grade6 would be defined as informal track in open area (e.g. desert); might be an average of several parallel vehicles marks ? Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging 'averaged' paths in rural Mali
Am 11/feb/2013 um 11:31 schrieb Pieren pier...@gmail.com: Maybe try a new highway=track + tracktype=grade6 where grade6 would be defined as informal track in open area (e.g. desert); might be an average of several parallel vehicles marks ? i use to add informal=yes as an additional attribute in similar cases. -1 to tracktype grade6 +1 to not add width=100 to one single generalized way, that would mean something very different. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging 'averaged' paths in rural Mali
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: +1 to not add width=100 to one single generalized way, that would mean something very different. -1 Saying this road is 100m wide is a joke when you are in the middle of the desert and try to simply follow the previous marks in the sand... Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging 'averaged' paths in rural Mali
On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 19:31:06 Pieren wrote: On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Andrew Errington erringt...@gmail.com wrote: How about drawing a single 'representative' way as you have been doing, and adding width=100? ?? and why not 500... Because the OP stated the extent of the parallel ways to be about 100m. Best wishes, Andrew ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging 'averaged' paths in rural Mali
On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 20:05:37 Pieren wrote: On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: +1 to not add width=100 to one single generalized way, that would mean something very different. -1 Saying this road is 100m wide is a joke when you are in the middle of the desert and try to simply follow the previous marks in the sand... You can easily see 100m. The line on the map represents a route, it is not the route itself. By setting the width to 100m you allow for a person to travel anywhere within a 100m wide path and still reach the destination. OP asked for practical solutions. Drawing a dozen or so meandering paths from point A to point B is not practical. Best wishes, Andrew ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging 'averaged' paths in rural Mali
Am 11/feb/2013 um 12:05 schrieb Pieren pier...@gmail.com: +1 to not add width=100 to one single generalized way, that would mean something very different. -1 Saying this road is 100m wide is a joke when you are in the middle of the desert and try to simply follow the previous marks in the sand... that's what I wrote Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging 'averaged' paths in rural Mali
Andrew Errington erringt...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 19:31:06 Pieren wrote: On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Andrew Errington erringt...@gmail.com wrote: How about drawing a single 'representative' way as you have been doing, and adding width=100? ?? and why not 500... Because the OP stated the extent of the parallel ways to be about 100m. Best wishes, Andrew ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging I read his description as saying that, at their closest, the tracks were 100 meters apart, which is why I suggested mapping all of them. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Tagging 'averaged' paths in rural Mali
Hey everyone, As you may know, HOT is currently mapping infrastructure in Mali. In flat rual areas, there are some 'highways' (unpaved ground) that are very close to each other (up to ~100 meters ) that all lead to the same villages or destinations. Here is one example: http://binged.it/Y2XLqR We have generally traced these like we have with GPX without satellite; one average trace of the possible paths (since no one way is really more important thatn the others). So we would like some sort of tag to add additionally to not that in addition to being a highway=whatever this road is not a simple centerline, but rather just an average and you shouldn't try to follow it exactly (or necessarily expect to be able to follow it exactly). As Andrew Buck in #hot noted, 'they are useful for understanding the level of economic development in the area since they are sometimes caused simply by the lack of someone actually building road (although in most cases it just doesn't even make sense to build one)'. Do you have any suggestions of how to tag these ways ? Regards, will ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging 'averaged' paths in rural Mali
2013/2/10 william skora skorasau...@gmail.com: Hey everyone, As you may know, HOT is currently mapping infrastructure in Mali. In flat rual areas, there are some 'highways' (unpaved ground) that are very close to each other (up to ~100 meters ) that all lead to the same villages or destinations. Here is one example: http://binged.it/Y2XLqR We have generally traced these like we have with GPX without satellite; one average trace of the possible paths (since no one way is really more important thatn the others). So we would like some sort of tag to add additionally to not that in addition to being a highway=whatever this road is not a simple centerline, but rather just an average and you shouldn't try to follow it exactly (or necessarily expect to be able to follow it exactly). As Andrew Buck in #hot noted, 'they are useful for understanding the level of economic development in the area since they are sometimes caused simply by the lack of someone actually building road (although in most cases it just doesn't even make sense to build one)'. Do you have any suggestions of how to tag these ways ? IMHO in first approximation it would be OK to simply draw one of these (to create the connection, the most useful part) and eventually in a later state you could add more of them. The fact that they run parallelly doesn't mean each of them isn't a (high)way which could be mapped on its own. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging 'averaged' paths in rural Mali
Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/2/10 william skora skorasau...@gmail.com: Hey everyone, As you may know, HOT is currently mapping infrastructure in Mali. In flat rual areas, there are some 'highways' (unpaved ground) that are very close to each other (up to ~100 meters ) that all lead to the same villages or destinations. Here is one example: http://binged.it/Y2XLqR We have generally traced these like we have with GPX without satellite; one average trace of the possible paths (since no one way is really more important thatn the others). So we would like some sort of tag to add additionally to not that in addition to being a highway=whatever this road is not a simple centerline, but rather just an average and you shouldn't try to follow it exactly (or necessarily expect to be able to follow it exactly). As Andrew Buck in #hot noted, 'they are useful for understanding the level of economic development in the area since they are sometimes caused simply by the lack of someone actually building road (although in most cases it just doesn't even make sense to build one)'. Do you have any suggestions of how to tag these ways ? IMHO in first approximation it would be OK to simply draw one of these (to create the connection, the most useful part) and eventually in a later state you could add more of them. The fact that they run parallelly doesn't mean each of them isn't a (high)way which could be mapped on its own. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging I agree that it would make sense to map all of them. After all, in a city with streets arranged in a grid, streets run parallel to each other, often less than 100 meters apart, and offer multiple routes to reach the same approximate destination, yet we map all of them, not an average route that doesn't correspond exactly to any of them. Now, if you were mapping footpaths separated by only a meter or two, mapping an averaged path would make more sense. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging 'averaged' paths in rural Mali
On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 01:46:43 william skora wrote: Hey everyone, As you may know, HOT is currently mapping infrastructure in Mali. In flat rual areas, there are some 'highways' (unpaved ground) that are very close to each other (up to ~100 meters ) that all lead to the same villages or destinations. snip Do you have any suggestions of how to tag these ways ? Regards, will How about drawing a single 'representative' way as you have been doing, and adding width=100? Best wishes, Andrew ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
