Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

2015-09-04 Thread John Eldredge
From my experience with road bikes, a certain amount of mud will get flung upwards by the wheels at an angle, missing the mudflaps but not the rider. The same would likely be true of horse droppings. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

2015-09-04 Thread phil
On Fri Sep 4 18:40:55 2015 GMT+0100, John Eldredge wrote: > Not to mention the amount of horse dung you are willing to have your bike > wheels fling up onto you. Many bridleways see very little horse traffic so its not often a problem. Mud however, lots of that. Phil (trigpoint) > > -- > John

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

2015-09-04 Thread Paul Johnson
This is why you ride with full fenders with mudflaps and use a chaincase. On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 12:40 PM, John Eldredge wrote: > Not to mention the amount of horse dung you are willing to have your bike > wheels fling up onto you. > > -- > John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com > "Darkness can

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

2015-09-04 Thread John Eldredge
Not to mention the amount of horse dung you are willing to have your bike wheels fling up onto you. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr. On Septe

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

2015-09-03 Thread Richard
On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 11:49:56AM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > highway=footway+bicycle=designated is incorrect tagging (and JOSM > validator keeps number of wrong tagging relatively low). > > I unsure about highway=bridleway+bicycle=designated but given that it > appears 2 129 times worldwi

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

2015-09-01 Thread johnw
> On Sep 1, 2015, at 6:59 PM, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: > > On Tue Sep 1 10:49:56 2015 GMT+0100, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: >> >> I unsure about highway=bridleway+bicycle=designated but given that it >> appears 2 129 times worldwide it is likely that is also may be >> considered as mistake. >>

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

2015-09-01 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Tue, 1 Sep 2015 07:02:38 -0500 Paul Johnson wrote: > On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 6:52 AM, Mateusz Konieczny > wrote: > > > On Tue, 01 Sep 2015 12:24:48 +0100 > > "Dave F." wrote: > > > > > On 01/09/2015 10:59, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > > > On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 13:08:34 +0100 > > > > "Dave F."

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

2015-09-01 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 6:52 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > On Tue, 01 Sep 2015 12:24:48 +0100 > "Dave F." wrote: > > > On 01/09/2015 10:59, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > > On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 13:08:34 +0100 > > > "Dave F." wrote: > > > > > >> Your suggestion of decreasing the road class is "trol

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

2015-09-01 Thread Dave F.
On 01/09/2015 12:52, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: - I am speaking about value of highway tag in OSM, not the official classification (in many places these may be the same or strongly related - but it is not a strict rule). Road reference classification tags relate to official road classific

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

2015-09-01 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Tue, 1 Sep 2015 06:42:02 -0500 Paul Johnson wrote: > On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 4:59 AM, Mateusz Konieczny > wrote: > > > I am looking for a better name - but for example [highway=footway; > > proposed=yes] may not be incorrect. It is not changing that such > > tagging should not be used as it m

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

2015-09-01 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Tue, 01 Sep 2015 12:24:48 +0100 "Dave F." wrote: > On 01/09/2015 10:59, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 13:08:34 +0100 > > "Dave F." wrote: > > > >> Your suggestion of decreasing the road class is "trolltaging" > >> Please don't do that. Lane closures or access restrictions e

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

2015-09-01 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 4:59 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > I am looking for a better name - but for example [highway=footway; > proposed=yes] may not be incorrect. It is not changing that such > tagging should not be used as it makes OSM data less usable. > How about highway=proposed, proposed=f

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

2015-09-01 Thread Dave F.
On 01/09/2015 10:59, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 13:08:34 +0100 "Dave F." wrote: Your suggestion of decreasing the road class is "trolltaging" Please don't do that. Lane closures or access restrictions etc, does not change a road's classification. Long-term closure/access res

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

2015-09-01 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 13:08:34 +0100 "Dave F." wrote: > Your suggestion of decreasing the road class is "trolltaging" Please > don't do that. Lane closures or access restrictions etc, does not > change a road's classification. Long-term closure/access restriction is a valid reason to change class

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

2015-09-01 Thread phil
On Tue Sep 1 10:49:56 2015 GMT+0100, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > I unsure about highway=bridleway+bicycle=designated but given that it > appears 2 129 times worldwide it is likely that is also may be > considered as mistake. > Makes sense to me, bicycles can legally use a bridleway in England/Wa

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

2015-09-01 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 14:11:46 +0200 Frederik Ramm wrote: > On 08/31/2015 01:41 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > It is not OK to use one tag (for example amenity=hotel) and add > > second tag that negates or massively change its meaning (for > > example adding involuntary=yes to amenity=hotel inste

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

2015-09-01 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Tue, 1 Sep 2015 10:32:37 +1000 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > For example somebody wants to produce map of cycleways. Simply > > processing highway=cycleway and highway=path with bicycle=designated > > should be enough. > > highway-=path with bicycle=yes This is merely allowed cycli

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

2015-08-31 Thread Warin
On 31/08/2015 9:41 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 01:29:45 +0100 "Dave F." wrote: What's a 'trolltag'? It is not OK to use one tag (for example amenity=hotel) and add second tag that negates or massively change its meaning (for example adding involuntary=yes to amenity=hotel

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

2015-08-31 Thread Christian Pietzsch
That's why I would prefer a generalized life cycle tagging scheme in the form of a prefix. (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lifecycle_prefix) For example "disused:highway=cycleway". It would eliminate the need for data consumers to filter for more tags than you need. If you just look for cyclewa

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

2015-08-31 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 31/08/2015, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Good > luck with filtering out proposed=yes, abandoned=yes, vacant=yes, > demolished=yes, construction=yes, empty=yes, ruins=yes, parsing > start_date and end_date etc etc. Case in point: have a look at https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

2015-08-31 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 08/31/2015 01:41 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > It is not OK to use one tag (for example amenity=hotel) and add second > tag that negates or massively change its meaning (for example adding > involuntary=yes to amenity=hotel instead of using amenity=prison). > Additional tags should clarify

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

2015-08-31 Thread Dave F.
Thank you for clarifying. I wanted to be sure of your meaning before replying: Your suggestion of decreasing the road class is "trolltaging" Please don't do that. Lane closures or access restrictions etc, does not change a road's classification. Please refrain from inventing words such as 't

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

2015-08-31 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 01:29:45 +0100 "Dave F." wrote: > What's a 'trolltag'? It is not OK to use one tag (for example amenity=hotel) and add second tag that negates or massively change its meaning (for example adding involuntary=yes to amenity=hotel instead of using amenity=prison). Additional tag