Re: [Tagging] Vertical farming vs. other vertical plants

[Dave Swarthout]

No, this is actually closer to indoor farming. Shelves hold the plants
which are fed nutrients hydroponically, and these shelves may be stacked
one atop the other. Hence the term "vertical gardening".  Everything is
controlled artificially, even the content of the atmosphere.

And it does not take place in a greenhouse because the light cycle must be
carefully controlled to produce flowers; sunlight is not required and, in
fact, it is not desirable. That is one major reason these facilities are
indoor.

Although the produce is natural, the process to grow marijuana at latitudes
not near the equator is emphatically not.

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:

>
> 2017-03-15 11:32 GMT+01:00 Thilo Haug OSM :
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> regarding vertical plants,
>> some examples against air pollution came to my mind.
>> it's not really "farming", but at least an "artificial" way to grow
>> plants,
>> so it doesn't really fit with "natural" http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/
>> wiki/Key:natural
>>
>> Do you think this should be considered ?
>>
>
>
> are you referring to facades or walls with plants growing on them? I think
> there might be a suggestion in the detailed building tags (some extension
> referring to facades), but I don't recall which.
> Definitely this is not something for "natural" (which are mostly natural
> geografic features and some landcover mixed in), see also the landcover
> proposal: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landcover
>
> Cheers,
> Martin
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Re: [Tagging] Vertical farming vs. other vertical plants

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2017-03-15 11:32 GMT+01:00 Thilo Haug OSM :

> Hello all,
>
> regarding vertical plants,
> some examples against air pollution came to my mind.
> it's not really "farming", but at least an "artificial" way to grow plants,
> so it doesn't really fit with "natural" http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/
> wiki/Key:natural
>
> Do you think this should be considered ?
>


are you referring to facades or walls with plants growing on them? I think
there might be a suggestion in the detailed building tags (some extension
referring to facades), but I don't recall which.
Definitely this is not something for "natural" (which are mostly natural
geografic features and some landcover mixed in), see also the landcover
proposal: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landcover

Cheers,
Martin
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Re: [Tagging] Vertical farming vs. other vertical plants

[Thilo Haug OSM]

Hello all,

regarding vertical plants,
some examples against air pollution came to my mind.
it's not really "farming", but at least an "artificial" way to grow plants,
so it doesn't really fit with "natural"
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:natural

Do you think this should be considered ?

I could imagine to extend this tag for it :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dvillage_green
Something like this ? :
landuse=village_green
landuse:type=vertical
landuse:horticulture=lichen,moss

Existing keys :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:plant_community
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:trees

In the press :
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/10/world/americas/vertical-gardens-in-mexico-a-symbol-of-progress.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/toby-nwazor/new-yorks-biggest-ever-gr_1_b_12450500.html
http://www.dw.com/en/stuttgart-builds-moss-covered-wall-to-fight-air-pollution/a-37866760

Some more links :
https://www.witpress.com/Secure/elibrary/papers/AIR15/AIR15025FU1.pdf
http://www.iasp.asp-berlin.de/bilder/poster1302.pdf
http://ccap.org/green-walls-living-walls-green-roofs-courtesy-of-epa-pnc

Selling plant walls :
http://www.plantsonwalls.com/Default.asp
http://plantwalldesign.com/eng/home.html

Cheers,
Thilo

Am 15.03.2017 um 07:32 schrieb Warin:
> On 15-Mar-17 05:14 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>>
>>
>> sent from a phone
>>
>> On 15 Mar 2017, at 04:39, Dave Swarthout > > wrote:
>>
>>> I've seen this list run on and on with discussions about how to tag
>>> wastebins and such but for this one, an arguably important future
>>> tagging construct, hardly a ripple. And members who are usually so
>>> vocal about tagging issues are strangely quiet.  Martin? Warin?
>>> John? Marc? What's up?
>>
> Simple.
> What are you tagging?
>
> The farm?
> landuse=farmland
> produce=?
>
> The factory where the produce is turned into product
> Landuse=industrial
> building=factory
> product=?
>
> The shop where the product is sold
> landuse=commercial
> shop=?
> sells=?
>
>>
>> I don't see a big difference between growing grass and growing
>> marijuana, similarly corn. At least if it's grown outdoors without
>> the help of artificial lighting.
>> Have a look at the key crop: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:crop
>> Well, besides that it is quite rare, mostly illegal with the
>> exception of some fields operated for the pharmaceutical industry
>> (the high THC concentration one). Then there's also kind of a
>> comeback of hemp for fibre production (low THC concentration, legal
>> in the EU).
>>
>> Vertical farming sounds interesting, but isn't something I've yet
>> seen in the real. There have been some projects in Europe as well,
>> but AFAIK have not been realized, see e.g. this one by dutch
>> architects MVRDV:
>> https://www.mvrdv.nl/projects/181-pig-city#/archive
>> http://www.alternet.org/story/135410/high_rise_farms_the_new_model_for_sustainable_cities
>>
>>
>>
>> cheers,
>> Martin 
>>
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