Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-26 Thread Matthew Woehlke
On 26/08/2020 07.12, pangoSE wrote: I rest my case. Thanks for the examples. Could you help update the wikipage about POIs to reflect this? By "the wikipage", do you mean https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Points_of_interest? It isn't immediately obvious where this information would be

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-26 Thread pangoSE
Hi Matthew Woehlke skrev: (25 augusti 2020 15:25:19 CEST) >On 24/08/2020 16.25, pangoSE wrote: >> Martin Koppenhoefer skrev: (24 augusti 2020 02:16:27 CEST) >>> Also useful when the POI is approximately placed (e.g. in a >>> neighbouring building, happens quite often, at least as long as most

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-25 Thread Matthew Woehlke
On 24/08/2020 16.25, pangoSE wrote: Martin Koppenhoefer skrev: (24 augusti 2020 02:16:27 CEST) Also useful when the POI is approximately placed (e.g. in a neighbouring building, happens quite often, at least as long as most POIs are not yet mapped) Really? Can you link to an example? I have

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-25 Thread pangoSE
Martin Koppenhoefer skrev: (25 augusti 2020 09:18:08 CEST) > > >sent from a phone > >> On 25. Aug 2020, at 02:07, pangoSE wrote: >> >> What I mean is that its a bad idea to keep the exact same data in >multiple places and thinking about it postal addresses follows land >plots and legal

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 25. Aug 2020, at 02:07, pangoSE wrote: > > What I mean is that its a bad idea to keep the exact same data in multiple > places and thinking about it postal addresses follows land plots and legal > boundaries and not POIs. it is often not the exact same data.

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-24 Thread pangoSE
Hi Andrew Harvey skrev: (25 augusti 2020 00:39:55 CEST) >On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 at 06:27, pangoSE wrote: > >> The POI IMO cannot logically have an adress itself, its a human >symbol for >> designating something of interest within a feature like a building, >park or >> whatever. Adresses are

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-24 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 at 06:27, pangoSE wrote: > The POI IMO cannot logically have an adress itself, its a human symbol for > designating something of interest within a feature like a building, park or > whatever. Adresses are specialized designations used by the state and > postal service. You

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-24 Thread pangoSE
Hi Martin Martin Koppenhoefer skrev: (24 augusti 2020 02:16:27 CEST) > > >sent from a phone > >> On 23. Aug 2020, at 23:20, pangoSE wrote: >> >> This collides with one feature one element does it not? > > >it does not. An address is not (necessarily) a feature, it can also be >a property

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 23. Aug 2020, at 23:20, pangoSE wrote: > > This collides with one feature one element does it not? it does not. An address is not (necessarily) a feature, it can also be a property > Can you give an example of what you mean by stable? if you move the POI or the

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-23 Thread pangoSE
Martin Koppenhoefer skrev: (23 augusti 2020 19:15:04 CEST) > > >sent from a phone > >> On 23. Aug 2020, at 18:53, Thibault Molleman > wrote: >> >> Should that entrance node also have the >> addr:housenumber=15 >> tag or is it assumed based on it being placed on the building's way? > > >The

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 23. Aug 2020, at 18:53, Thibault Molleman > wrote: > > Should that entrance node also have the > addr:housenumber=15 > tag or is it assumed based on it being placed on the building's way? The addr:housenumber ideally should be added to the object to which it applies

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-23 Thread Jo
Hi, You probably meant 5, not 15. I think it's OK to repeat the address on that entrance node. Jo On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 6:53 PM Thibault Molleman < thibaultmolle...@gmail.com> wrote: > Update on my example I gave. We changed it to > addr:housename=Residentie Den Oude Post >

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-23 Thread Thibault Molleman
Update on my example I gave. We changed it to addr:housename=Residentie Den Oude Post addr:housenumber=14 addr:street=Kasteelstraat addr:unit=1A;2A;3A A more complex example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/699214532 So this is Kasteelstraat 5 The bank that's located on the bottom floor is on

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 23. Aug 2020, at 10:17, Jo wrote: > > The house number is not 12 and it is not 14, it actually is 12-14, because 2 > buildings were torn down and a single building was built instead of it. This > also happens when people or companies acquire 2 adjacent buildings, they

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-23 Thread Simon Poole
Am 19.08.2020 um 10:46 schrieb Sarah Hoffmann: > ... > We'd also need a new tag to indicate the interpolation steps odd/even/all. > It's not really > a good idea to reuse addr:interpolation because on a building outline it > becomes ambigious: > you'd have to check for the presence of other

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-23 Thread Jo
Hi, I changed it. I also added a url which has some additional background information for the whole street. I don't think we should drop hyphens in house numbers. The house number is not 12 and it is not 14, it actually is 12-14, because 2 buildings were torn down and a single building was built

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-22 Thread Thibault Molleman
I think the old building at that location used to be split in 2 (thus the 2 housenumbers). So Kasteelstraat 12 does not exist anymore. I only just now realized I mapped this wrong (was one of my first things I mapped a couple years ago). By your photo, it looks like you could even put a building

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-22 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 05:55, Thibault Molleman wrote: > This is a simple example: https://photos.app.goo.gl/wEQiB4X6BA3doK7T7 > one building, one unit/flat on each floor. > mailbox at the front for all 3 units. > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/675768351 > > currently mapped as: >

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-22 Thread Thibault Molleman
This is a simple example: https://photos.app.goo.gl/wEQiB4X6BA3doK7T7 one building, one unit/flat on each floor. mailbox at the front for all 3 units. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/675768351 currently mapped as: addr:housenumber=1A;2A;3A addr:street=Kasteelstraat On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 at

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Aug 2020, at 09:25, Thibault Molleman > wrote: > > So what's the consensus on an apartment building (way) that has mailboxes for > each person who has an apartment there. > I've just been tagging those as: > addr:housenumber = A1;A2;A3;A4;A5;A6;A7;A8;A9;A10;A11

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-22 Thread Thibault Molleman
A lot of those types of apartment buildings in my area (and i assume other places in Belgium as well) don't have a "building housenumber", only the individual flat housenumbers. Making a node for every single flat just looks bad on the map. And I agree that it just makes more sense to put it on

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-22 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Aug 22, 2020, 11:43 by andrew.harv...@gmail.com: > On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 at 17:25, Thibault Molleman <> > thibaultmolle...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> So what's the consensus on an apartment building (way) that has mailboxes >> for each person who has an apartment there. >> I've just been tagging

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-22 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
(or not... Or both... I don't care) a range. >> >> LeTopographeFou >> De:>> >> tagging@openstreetmap.org >> Envoyé:>> 20 août 2020 6:35 PM >> À:>> >> andrew.harv...@gmail.com >> Répondre à:>> >> tagging@openstreetm

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-22 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 at 17:25, Thibault Molleman wrote: > So what's the consensus on an apartment building (way) that has mailboxes > for each person who has an apartment there. > I've just been tagging those as: > addr:housenumber = A1;A2;A3;A4;A5;A6;A7;A8;A9;A10;A11 > Could you use

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-22 Thread Thibault Molleman
openstreetmap.org > *Cc:* matkoni...@tutanota.com; tagging@openstreetmap.org > *Objet:* Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address > ranges > > > > > Aug 20, 2020, 15:50 by andrew.harv...@gmail.com: > > > And it may be useful to have tag to mark "yes

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-20 Thread Topographe Fou
stop using hyphens to denote address ranges Aug 20, 2020, 15:50 by andrew.harv...@gmail.com:And it may be useful to have tag to mark "yes this is actually a single housenumber despitethat includes hyphen or something else that suggests range"  I would assume that to be the def

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-20 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Aug 20, 2020, 15:50 by andrew.harv...@gmail.com: >>> >>> >> And it may be useful to have tag to mark "yes this is actually a single >> housenumber despite >> that includes hyphen or something else that suggests range"   >> > > I would assume that to be the default, when there are multiple

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-20 Thread Andrew Harvey
> > > And it may be useful to have tag to mark "yes this is actually a single > housenumber despite > that includes hyphen or something else that suggests range" > I would assume that to be the default, when there are multiple addresses best to mark them all out individually or use a linear way

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 20. Aug 2020, at 15:29, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > And it may be useful to have tag to mark "yes this is actually a single > housenumber despite > that includes hyphen or something else that suggests range" referring to addresses or to housenumbers,

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-20 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Aug 19, 2020, 10:46 by lon...@denofr.de: > On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 11:29:50PM +0200, Colin Smale wrote: > >> I think you misunderstand hyphenated addresses in Queens. The second >> part of the hyphenation is not a flat/apartment number. As an example, >> the Dunkin Donuts at the corner of 31st

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-19 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 11:29:50PM +0200, Colin Smale wrote: > I think you misunderstand hyphenated addresses in Queens. The second > part of the hyphenation is not a flat/apartment number. As an example, > the Dunkin Donuts at the corner of 31st St and 36th Ave has an address > of 31-02 36th Ave,

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-19 Thread Peter Elderson
Two dots are used in some circles to indicate inclusive range. eg 21..27. Best, Peter Elderson Op wo 19 aug. 2020 om 00:25 schreef Tod Fitch : > > On Aug 18, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > > > Maybe we should use a different character to indicate a range, such as a > slash? > > > > In

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-18 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
18 Aug 2020, 23:29 by colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: > > On 2020-08-18 22:39, Clay Smalley wrote: > > >> If you >> >> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 12:51 PM Colin Smale <>> colin.sm...@xs4all.nl>> > >> wrote: >> >>> >>> On 2020-08-18 20:55, Clay Smalley wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 11:26 AM

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-18 Thread Jonathon Rossi
On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 9:28 AM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > On Wed, 19 Aug 2020 at 05:51, Colin Smale wrote: > >> >> >> On the other hand using the "1-5" notation to indicate a range is pretty >>> well understood in the UK at least. What it is missing is the >>> "interpolation" value (even,

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-18 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Aug 18, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > > > Maybe we should use a different character to indicate a range, such as a > slash? > In the United States it is not too uncommon for infill housing in urban areas to have fractional street numbers. So you can see addresses like “123

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-18 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Wed, 19 Aug 2020 at 04:26, Colin Smale wrote: > There are two use cases here: one is "what is the address of this building > (or whatever)" and the other is the reverse situation: "where can I find > number XXX". As long as we have tagging that is potentially ambiguous we > won't be able to

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-18 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 19 Aug 2020 at 05:51, Colin Smale wrote: > > > On the other hand using the "1-5" notation to indicate a range is pretty >> well understood in the UK at least. What it is missing is the >> "interpolation" value (even, odd, all). >> So let us sort this mess out by defining: >> 1) that a

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-18 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-08-18 22:39, Clay Smalley wrote: > If you > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 12:51 PM Colin Smale wrote: > > On 2020-08-18 20:55, Clay Smalley wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 11:26 AM Colin Smale wrote: > There are two use cases here: one is "what is the address of this building >

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-18 Thread Clay Smalley
If you On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 12:51 PM Colin Smale wrote: > On 2020-08-18 20:55, Clay Smalley wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 11:26 AM Colin Smale > wrote: > >> There are two use cases here: one is "what is the address of this >> building (or whatever)" and the other is the reverse

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-18 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-08-18 20:55, Clay Smalley wrote: > On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 11:26 AM Colin Smale wrote: > >> There are two use cases here: one is "what is the address of this building >> (or whatever)" and the other is the reverse situation: "where can I find >> number XXX". As long as we have

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-18 Thread Clay Smalley
On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 11:26 AM Colin Smale wrote: > There are two use cases here: one is "what is the address of this building > (or whatever)" and the other is the reverse situation: "where can I find > number XXX". As long as we have tagging that is potentially ambiguous we > won't be able

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-18 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-08-18 16:10, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > >> On 18. Aug 2020, at 05:34, Paul White wrote: >> >> I wanted to raise a concern about tagging house numbers on a building using >> a hyphen to denote the address range (e.g 33-55 Main Street). > It's their address, and I

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 18. Aug 2020, at 05:34, Paul White wrote: > > I wanted to raise a concern about tagging house numbers on a building using a > hyphen to denote the address range (e.g 33-55 Main Street). I am not sure for buildings, but for addresses I use this all the time, because

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-18 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 at 23:32, Paul White wrote: > I wanted to raise a concern about tagging house numbers on a building using a > hyphen to denote the address range (e.g 33-55 Main Street). Let's keep in mind there are also buildings in London and possibly elsewhere which have a _single_

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-18 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Tue, 18 Aug 2020 at 19:15, Simon Poole wrote: > The correct ways to model a range of house numbers is to use an address > interpolation or explicitly list the numbers (using comma or semi-colons as > delimitiers), anything else is woefully underspecified, not to mention > other issues, for

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-18 Thread Simon Poole
The correct ways to model a range of house numbers is to use an address interpolation or explicitly list the numbers (using comma or semi-colons as delimitiers), anything else is woefully underspecified, not to mention other issues, for example hyphens being used to delimit building and

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-18 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Aug 18, 2020, 07:09 by andrew.harv...@gmail.com: > > Data consumers see these hyphenated house numbers as one address, as well. > > Is that a problem? An address range can be considered a single address. > > > Create an address node for each housenumber and place each node somewhere > > on

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-17 Thread Andrew Harvey
> Data consumers see these hyphenated house numbers as one address, as well. Is that a problem? An address range can be considered a single address. > Create an address node for each housenumber and place each node somewhere on the building outline (or inside the building) I don't think that's

[Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-17 Thread Paul White
Hello, I wanted to raise a concern about tagging house numbers on a building using a hyphen to denote the address range (e.g 33-55 Main Street). This is a bad idea because some areas in the United States and possibly elsewhere use hyphenated street numbers for individual dwellings.[1] Data