Re: [Tagging] Wiki changes for police tag

2019-05-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer


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> On 19. May 2019, at 13:26, marc marc  wrote:
> 
> indeed but putting the tag not on the building currently lost the info 
> "this poi use the whole building"
> adding a polygone with the same outer doesn't solve it (a shop may use a 
> level and not the whole building


if this is your concern you could be explicit about the levels, both for the 
building and for the Poi.

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Re: [Tagging] Wiki changes for police tag

2019-05-19 Thread marc marc
Le 19.05.19 à 11:29, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit :
> 1. differentiation of building and user (distinct objects also when the whole 
> building is occupied by one user)

indeed but putting the tag not on the building currently lost the info 
"this poi use the whole building"
adding a polygone with the same outer doesn't solve it (a shop may use a 
level and not the whole building
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Re: [Tagging] Wiki changes for police tag

2019-05-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer


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> On 19. May 2019, at 10:25, Jan S  wrote:
> 
> I'd think so, as long as the police (or other government offices) occupy the 
> entire building. Otherwise it would just be a node on the building.
> 
> Could anyone take that into the wiki?


while it is often done like this, there are also alternatives which are cleaner 
in the way it is represented:

1. differentiation of building and user (distinct objects also when the whole 
building is occupied by one user)

2. polygon for the user rather than a node (if you know it well). This gives a 
whole lot more of information (size, shape, orientation) and allows to add 
other things inside.

Btw: other possibilities would be police facilities consisting of no building 
or more than one building, or a building with a dedicated area around it 
(‚grounds‘).

This is a general consideration and not specifically referring to police 
facilities. Not sure we should add this to the wiki for each and every feature, 
or maybe just link it?

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Re: [Tagging] Wiki changes for police tag

2019-05-19 Thread Jan S


Am 19. Mai 2019 06:10:21 MESZ schrieb Graeme Fitzpatrick 
:

>Would the police then work under building=government (which was
>discussed a
>while back) + police=xxx?

I'd think so, as long as the police (or other government offices) occupy the 
entire building. Otherwise it would just be a node on the building.

Could anyone take that into the wiki? I won't find the time soon...

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Re: [Tagging] Wiki changes for police tag

2019-05-18 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 19 May 2019 at 06:12, Mateusz Konieczny 
wrote:

> It is the same as with say shop=supermarket.
>
> It is not enough to tag shop=supermarket to indicate that building exists,
> you still need to have building tag (maybe on the same object, maybe on a
> separate way).
>

Which seems to be covered by
building=retail + shop=supermarket

Would the police then work under building=government (which was discussed a
while back) + police=xxx?

Thanks

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Re: [Tagging] Wiki changes for police tag

2019-05-18 Thread Mateusz Konieczny



18 May 2019, 22:07 by si...@poole.ch:

>
>
>
> Am 18.05.2019 um 11:44 schrieb Jan S:
>
>> Interesting point... I'd suggest that it is a top-level tag  itself. 
>> Otherwise you'd have to tag buildings as building=* and  police=*, which 
>> I find an unnecessary duplication that might even  result in 
>> contradictory tags.
>>
>
> I think you will find that most people will disagree with and  will want 
> to tag buildings as buildings. 
>
>
> In any case the answer to my question seems to be "sorry we  didn't think 
> of that".
>
>
It is the same as with say shop=supermarket.

It is not enough to tag shop=supermarket to indicate that building exists,
you still need to have building tag (maybe on the same object, maybe on a 
separate way).

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Re: [Tagging] Wiki changes for police tag

2019-05-18 Thread Simon Poole

Am 18.05.2019 um 11:44 schrieb Jan S:
> Interesting point... I'd suggest that it is a top-level tag itself.
> Otherwise you'd have to tag buildings as building=* and police=*,
> which I find an unnecessary duplication that might even result in
> contradictory tags.

I think you will find that most people will disagree with and will want
to tag buildings as buildings. 

In any case the answer to my question seems to be "sorry we didn't think
of that".


>
> Best, Jan
>
> Am 18. Mai 2019 10:36:32 MESZ schrieb Simon Poole :
>
> Seems as if the proposal and now the definite wiki page is missing
> one, not quite unimportant, bit of information:
>
> is police an attribute to be used on other "top-level" (say for
> example building=xx OSM objects or does it define a stand alone
> "top-level" object itself?
>
> Simon
>
> Am 17.05.2019 um 23:03 schrieb Jan S:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I've created the pages
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:police and subpages for
>> values police=barracks, police=car_pound, police=car_repair,
>> police=checkpoint, police=detention, police=naval_base,
>> police=offices, police=range, police=storage and police=training
>> area, as well as the generic police=yes.
>>
>> All this in accordance with the approved proposal for key:police.
>>
>> Best, Jan
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Re: [Tagging] Wiki changes for police tag

2019-05-18 Thread Lionel Giard
I also see it as a top-level tag. i find it similar to the recent
"healthcare=*" which can be used by itself too.

Le sam. 18 mai 2019 à 11:46, Jan S  a écrit :

> Interesting point... I'd suggest that it is a top-level tag itself.
> Otherwise you'd have to tag buildings as building=* and police=*, which I
> find an unnecessary duplication that might even result in contradictory
> tags.
>
> Best, Jan
>
> Am 18. Mai 2019 10:36:32 MESZ schrieb Simon Poole :
>>
>> Seems as if the proposal and now the definite wiki page is missing one,
>> not quite unimportant, bit of information:
>>
>> is police an attribute to be used on other "top-level" (say for example
>> building=xx OSM objects or does it define a stand alone "top-level" object
>> itself?
>>
>> Simon
>> Am 17.05.2019 um 23:03 schrieb Jan S:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I've created the pages https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:police
>> and subpages for values police=barracks, police=car_pound,
>> police=car_repair, police=checkpoint, police=detention, police=naval_base,
>> police=offices, police=range, police=storage and police=training area, as
>> well as the generic police=yes.
>>
>> All this in accordance with the approved proposal for key:police.
>>
>> Best, Jan
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Re: [Tagging] Wiki changes for police tag

2019-05-18 Thread Jan S
Interesting point... I'd suggest that it is a top-level tag itself. Otherwise 
you'd have to tag buildings as building=* and police=*, which I find an 
unnecessary duplication that might even result in contradictory tags.

Best, Jan

Am 18. Mai 2019 10:36:32 MESZ schrieb Simon Poole :
>Seems as if the proposal and now the definite wiki page is missing one,
>not quite unimportant, bit of information:
>
>is police an attribute to be used on other "top-level" (say for example
>building=xx OSM objects or does it define a stand alone "top-level"
>object itself?
>
>Simon
>
>Am 17.05.2019 um 23:03 schrieb Jan S:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I've created the pages https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:police
>> and subpages for values police=barracks, police=car_pound,
>> police=car_repair, police=checkpoint, police=detention,
>> police=naval_base, police=offices, police=range, police=storage and
>> police=training area, as well as the generic police=yes.
>>
>> All this in accordance with the approved proposal for key:police.
>>
>> Best, Jan
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Re: [Tagging] Wiki changes for police tag

2019-05-18 Thread Simon Poole
Seems as if the proposal and now the definite wiki page is missing one,
not quite unimportant, bit of information:

is police an attribute to be used on other "top-level" (say for example
building=xx OSM objects or does it define a stand alone "top-level"
object itself?

Simon

Am 17.05.2019 um 23:03 schrieb Jan S:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I've created the pages https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:police
> and subpages for values police=barracks, police=car_pound,
> police=car_repair, police=checkpoint, police=detention,
> police=naval_base, police=offices, police=range, police=storage and
> police=training area, as well as the generic police=yes.
>
> All this in accordance with the approved proposal for key:police.
>
> Best, Jan
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Re: [Tagging] Wiki changes for police tag

2019-05-18 Thread Jan S
Hi Graeme,

I've just seen that. I've used the taglist template, but apparently it
doesen't work as intended. I'll make a manual list.

Best,
Jan

Am Sa., 18. Mai 2019 um 01:06 Uhr schrieb Graeme Fitzpatrick <
graemefi...@gmail.com>:

>
>
> On Sat, 18 May 2019 at 07:05, Jan S  wrote:
>
>>
>> I've created the pages https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:police
>> and subpages for values police=barracks, police=car_pound,
>> police=car_repair, police=checkpoint, police=detention, police=naval_base,
>> police=offices, police=range, police=storage and police=training area, as
>> well as the generic police=yes.
>>
>
> Hi Jan
>
> Some of the sub-tags aren't shown, so not sure if you've created pages for
> them yet?
>
> =detention, =naval_base & =range are currently missing.
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
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Re: [Tagging] Wiki changes for police tag

2019-05-17 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 18 May 2019 at 07:05, Jan S  wrote:

>
> I've created the pages https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:police and
> subpages for values police=barracks, police=car_pound, police=car_repair,
> police=checkpoint, police=detention, police=naval_base, police=offices,
> police=range, police=storage and police=training area, as well as the
> generic police=yes.
>

Hi Jan

Some of the sub-tags aren't shown, so not sure if you've created pages for
them yet?

=detention, =naval_base & =range are currently missing.

Thanks

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[Tagging] Wiki changes for police tag

2019-05-17 Thread Jan S
Hi everyone,

I've created the pages https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:police and
subpages for values police=barracks, police=car_pound, police=car_repair,
police=checkpoint, police=detention, police=naval_base, police=offices,
police=range, police=storage and police=training area, as well as the
generic police=yes.

All this in accordance with the approved proposal for key:police.

Best, Jan
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