Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

Martin, > Op 16 jan. 2017, om 11:38 heeft Martin Koppenhoefer > het volgende geschreven: > > Maybe it could be interesting to see _where_ the usage does not conform to > the definition, i.e. from the actual definition, this tag wouldn't have a > place outside of the

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

> Op 16 jan. 2017, om 11:38 heeft Martin Koppenhoefer > het volgende geschreven: > > to be fair, it is not just one user who thinks there is a problem with > landuse=grass, it has been noted on various occasions that "grass" is not a >

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

2017-01-16 11:26 GMT+01:00 Marc Zoutendijk : > From other mappers I heard that the wiki should describe what mappers _do_ > map, not what they _should_ map. > it should document the consensus. Often the definition of tags is the result of a proposal and voting. Now if a

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

Earlier I wrote: > I found many uses of landuse=village_green that _completely_ignore_ the core > definition in the wiki! > I made some screenshotes (from overpass) to inspect (I have used the color > red to show the usage): > > https://marczoutendijk.stackstorage.com/s/PruVaYiH5AgdRQO >

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 13, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Is not the side walk administered by the same people who administer the road? A hedge is a hedge, regardless if it is planted by the road authorities, the walkway along the train station, or the

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

On 13-Jan-17 10:31 AM, John Willis wrote: Sent from my iPhone On Jan 12, 2017, at 6:50 AM, Chris Hill wrote: The green spaces ( and concrete or whatever) around a road are part of the infrastructure of a road. If someone is just mapping a road with a single way,

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 12, 2017, at 6:50 AM, Chris Hill wrote: > > The green spaces ( and concrete or whatever) around a road are part of the > infrastructure of a road. If someone is just mapping a road with a single way, including the sidewalk in the way's tags,

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

I'll agree that voting by using a tag is more important than a line on a wikipage Op 12 jan. 2017 20:33 schreef "Martin Koppenhoefer" : > > > sent from a phone > > > On 12 Jan 2017, at 16:47, Marc Zoutendijk > wrote: > > > > I like that idea too,

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

sent from a phone > On 12 Jan 2017, at 16:47, Marc Zoutendijk wrote: > > I like that idea too, but why did that proposal process stop? Your original > proposal is from 2010!! And a renewed one from 2014? the proposal didn't stop, I just didn't bother to bring it to

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

> Op 12 jan. 2017, om 15:17 heeft Martin Koppenhoefer > het volgende geschreven: > > 2017-01-11 22:40 GMT+01:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: >> Approach =the problem from 2 different ways of thinking - > >> What is the 'cover' ... landcover ? >> and then >> What is

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

2017-01-11 22:40 GMT+01:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > And I disagree with all of them being leisure=garden. > The green patches between a road and a footway are not 'leisure' things .. > they are 'safety' things .. particularly beside busy roads. > I believe you are making this too

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

The green spaces ( and concrete or whatever) around a road are part of the infrastructure of a road. If the road wasn't there the land would have another use, such as farmland. So I believe this should be landuse=highway. It is being used as part of the surroundings of the highway. It doesn't

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

And I disagree with all of them being leisure=garden. The green patches between a road and a footway are not 'leisure' things .. they are 'safety' things .. particularly beside busy roads. If these same areas were covered with concrete .. would you still think of them as 'leisure'? In other

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

2017-01-11 12:45 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis : > The wiki page on garden [1] explicitly mentions private gardens, e.g. > around castles. > So yes, for a private garden, you will have the tags: > landuse=residential, access=private, leisure=garden + smaller polygons > with landcover

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

> On Jan 11, 2017, at 6:56 PM, Marc Zoutendijk wrote: > > To help us focus on what type of “green” I’m (and others) are thinking of, I > have prepared a photo-collage: > > https://marczoutendijk.stackstorage.com/s/guN1x7PBfZfP1ZR >

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Yves wrote: > Garden with access=no? Only for the eyes. The wiki page on garden [1] explicitly mentions private gardens, e.g. around castles. So yes, for a private garden, you will have the tags: landuse=residential, access=private,

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

> On Jan 11, 2017, at 7:42 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > > think every place in the world should ideally belong to: > - a landuse > - a landcover polygon That is awesome. If you have a building, the plants and trees around the building belongs to the land the building sits

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

leisure=garden AND access=no is in use and makes sense in at least some of these cases. Example 1: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/415758264#map=19/45.28172/11.86906 https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/YpCZViSYxsck1Y--w1yoFw https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/I19C6pBr9Bz9nUzXysWS3A Example 2

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

@Marc Zoutendijk thanks for the photos. I agree with all of them as leisure=garden, except for the bottom right one. From the photo it is not clear whether this is spontaneous vegetation or planted vegetation. Only n the latter case I would accept the garden concept On 11 January 2017 at 10:56,

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

Garden with access=no? Only for the eyes. Yves Le 11 janvier 2017 10:56:02 GMT+01:00, Marc Zoutendijk a écrit : > >> Op 10 jan. 2017, om 05:14 heeft Marc Gemis het >volgende geschreven: >> >> I thought the original question was broader than just

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

As I wrote on the Dutch forum, I see at least some leisure=park, leisure=garden, natural=grassfield, natural=water+water=pond on your photos. You loose a lot of information if you map them all with village_green. IMHO, a "village_green" outside the UK is a park, garden or recreation_ground in OSM

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

> Op 10 jan. 2017, om 05:14 heeft Marc Gemis het > volgende geschreven: > > I thought the original question was broader than just the patches of > green next to the road. I also want to know how to map those green > patches when they are not part of roundabouts, or are

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

I thought the original question was broader than just the patches of green next to the road. I also want to know how to map those green patches when they are not part of roundabouts, or are located between sidewalk and road (where cars drive). What about the green patches around public buildings

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

, January 9, 2017 11:40 PM To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use? On Jan 10, 2017, at 5:49 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: The wiki page has been reverted. Stop trolling. tom Not tr

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

On Jan 10, 2017, at 5:49 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: >> The wiki page has been reverted. Stop trolling. >> >> tom > > Not trolling. Raising the discussion, waving the flag ... this tag is > something I trip over every now and then and it really annoys me. As a person who

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

On 09-Jan-17 10:01 PM, Tom Pfeifer wrote: On 09.01.2017 01:19, Warin wrote: landuse=grass is for the PRODUCTION of grass - Grass is grown here, harvested (with a little soil) and transported somewhere and planted. Then more grass is grown etc. In the same way landuse=forest is for the

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

Hi, I'm one of the contributors who started this discussion in the Dutch forum as Marc mentioned in his first post. And as I noticed here the discussion is becoming bigger and bigger. Which is fine of course but I'm afraid it will not result in a nice obvious tag for mixed vegetation. So

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

On 09/01/2017 09:28, Volker Schmidt wrote: Please remember that the wiki is intended to document what the common use is, not what the common use should be. If you want to change the common use please use the available discussion channels before changing the wiki. Volker I disagree with

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

On 09.01.2017 01:19, Warin wrote: landuse=grass is for the PRODUCTION of grass - Grass is grown here, harvested (with a little soil) and transported somewhere and planted. Then more grass is grown etc. In the same way landuse=forest is for the Production of things from the tress grown there.

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

Please remember that the wiki is intended to document what the common use is, not what the common use should be. If you want to change the common use please use the available discussion channels before changing the wiki. Volker On 9 January 2017 at 01:42, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: >

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

John, maybe you have something in your post: landcover=landscaping? Yves Le 9 janvier 2017 07:25:05 GMT+01:00, John Willis a écrit : > > > >> On Jan 9, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Bill Ricker wrote: >> >> It would be a great option, but that's not what the

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

> On Jan 9, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Bill Ricker wrote: > > It would be a great option, but that's not what the gardeners > maintaining the traffic islands, rotary or otherwise, are planting > here. tl;dr: Tagging the trees and the flowerbeds is great - but all that other

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 10:51 PM, John Willis wrote: > Hedge is of great use in this situation It would be a great option, but that's not what the gardeners maintaining the traffic islands, rotary or otherwise, are planting here. -- Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

> On Jan 9, 2017, at 5:02 AM, Marc Zoutendijk wrote: > > you find also in the middle of a roundabout. > Adn I wouldn’t call an area of 14m2 between two sections of a highway, Hedge is of great use in this situation.

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

On 09-Jan-17 11:19 AM, Warin wrote: On 09-Jan-17 08:35 AM, Bill Ricker wrote: On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: Landuse is a tag that is not about what is there - trees, shrubs, flowers, concrete etc ... but the USE of the area. A park is used for

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

On 09-Jan-17 08:35 AM, Bill Ricker wrote: On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: Landuse is a tag that is not about what is there - trees, shrubs, flowers, concrete etc ... but the USE of the area. A park is used for relaxation. A recreation_ground is used for

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

On 09-Jan-17 09:49 AM, Wolfgang Zenker wrote: * Marc Zoutendijk [170108 21:02]: Op 8 jan. 2017, om 20:20 heeft Tod Fitch het volgende geschreven: Based on usage in the United States, it sure sounds like leisure=park is the tag to use for what

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

W dniu 08.01.2017 19:59, Marc Zoutendijk napisał(a): They are not to be confused with a garden or a park, because those usually have some sort of fence or wall around them, they can have a name and they have an entrance. This is also not that easy. I have problems with recognizing parks from

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

* Marc Zoutendijk [170108 21:02]: >> Op 8 jan. 2017, om 20:20 heeft Tod Fitch het volgende >> geschreven: >> Based on usage in the United States, it sure sounds like leisure=park is the >> tag to use for what you are describing. I see nothing in

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Landuse is a tag that is not about what is there - trees, shrubs, flowers, > concrete etc ... but the USE of the area. > > A park is used for relaxation. > A recreation_ground is used for recreation (physical activity). And so

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

On 09-Jan-17 07:02 AM, Marc Zoutendijk wrote: Op 8 jan. 2017, om 20:20 heeft Tod Fitch > het volgende geschreven: Based on usage in the United States, it sure sounds like leisure=park is the tag to use for what you are describing. I see

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

> Op 8 jan. 2017, om 20:20 heeft Tod Fitch het volgende > geschreven: > > Based on usage in the United States, it sure sounds like leisure=park is the > tag to use for what you are describing. I see nothing in the wiki page [1] > for park that indicates it must be a

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

> On Jan 8, 2017, at 10:59 AM, Marc Zoutendijk wrote: > > Hello, > > Some mappers use landuse=village_green to tag those spots on the map that are > combinations of grass, plants, bushes, flowers and sometimes a few small > trees. > The size can vary between 1m2 to

[Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

Hello, Some mappers use landuse=village_green to tag those spots on the map that are combinations of grass, plants, bushes, flowers and sometimes a few small trees. The size can vary between 1m2 to maybe 100m2-500m2. Areas like those are usually maintained bij the municipality and are used as a