Re: [Tagging] addr
At 2012-05-08 07:02, Brad Neuhauser wrote: But in the US the administrative municipality for an address may be different than the city that is used for mailing to that address, which is regulated by the US Post Office (and I think tied to zip code). To get back to the original question, I believe the addr: tags should be used for mailing addresses. At least that's what seems to be their usage when the target of an import. Physical location can be determined by the surrounding boundary ways. So, for: N Somewhere Street Foo Bar Code I think you can use either: addr:housenumber=N addr:street=Somewhere Street addr:city=Foo, Bar addr:postcode=Code or define and use an addr:baz tag where baz is the name of that type of subdivision: addr:housenumber=N addr:street=Somewhere Street addr:baz=Foo addr:city=Bar addr:postcode=Code I would only do the latter if this additional subdivision is regularly used in addresses. In the US, we have a first-level subdivision in addr:state, addr:city is second-level, and there is no third-level specified in an address. -- Alan Mintz ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] addr
Philip Barnes wrote: > On Tue, 2012-05-08 at 12:05 +0200, Colin Smale wrote: > > In general, the world considers a city to be a "very large town". In > > the UK (and possibly other places) the concept of "city" has > specific > > connotations, namely the granting of Letters Patent by the Crown (a > > cathedral is not a prerequisite, nor is it a guarantee of city > status! > > ) > That is very true, although I had assumed that on recieving a city > charter a church is normally made a cathedral, but I guess that is my > Leicestershire background getting in the way. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leicester#The_early_20th_century > In the USA, the official definition of what constitutes a city varies from state to state. However, due to the US Constitution's requirement for the separation of church and state, there is no requirement anywhere for a city to have a cathedral. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] addr
But in the US the administrative municipality for an address may be different than the city that is used for mailing to that address, which is regulated by the US Post Office (and I think tied to zip code). For example, residences in villages or towns may have a larger city/town nearby as their "mail city". Also, residences that are near the border of two cities may live within the boundaries of one, but have their mailing address be the other, due to where their post office is. > In Virginia (US State), towns are governed by larger administrative > bodies, namely counties. Cities, on the other hand, are independent of > counties and on the same level in the administrative hierarchy as counties, > even though they may be completely surrounded by a particular county. > > -- > John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com > "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not > to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] addr
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: > That is very true, although I had assumed that on recieving a city > charter a church is normally made a cathedral No, that's a completely separate matter, handled by the Church of England --- the charter is from the government. __John ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] addr
On Tue, 2012-05-08 at 12:05 +0200, Colin Smale wrote: > In general, the world considers a city to be a "very large town". In > the UK (and possibly other places) the concept of "city" has specific > connotations, namely the granting of Letters Patent by the Crown (a > cathedral is not a prerequisite, nor is it a guarantee of city status! > ) That is very true, although I had assumed that on recieving a city charter a church is normally made a cathedral, but I guess that is my Leicestershire background getting in the way. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leicester#The_early_20th_century > > A similar system in the Netherlands dictates that The Hague is > technically only a village as it has never formally been granted the > right to call itself a town, let alone a city. In the UK, doesn't town status infer holding a charter to hold a market? So I guess a similar situation. > > The Post Town (as used by Royal Mail) is one way of defining a > location, but there may be cases where Royal Mail disagrees with local > government and/or common usage. Very true, and it really grates hearing Donington Park refered to as being in Derbyshire. Posttown does seem a useful tag if trying to extract information to send a letter. However for in terms of location the next layer would probably be county. But for government purposes then local authority would also be useful. Phil ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] addr
Colin Smale wrote: > In general, the world considers a city to be a "very large town". In > the > UK (and possibly other places) the concept of "city" has specific > connotations, namely the granting of Letters Patent by the Crown (a > cathedral is not a prerequisite, nor is it a guarantee of city > status!) > > A similar system in the Netherlands dictates that The Hague is > technically only a village as it has never formally been granted the > right to call itself a town, let alone a city. > > The Post Town (as used by Royal Mail) is one way of defining a > location, > but there may be cases where Royal Mail disagrees with local > government > and/or common usage. > > On 08/05/2012 11:36, Philip Barnes wrote: > > > > I believe there is an address locallity which can be used in this > case. > > > > > > Why city though? Isn't posttown more correct, not every address > > contains the name of city. Mine for example, Shrewsbury. It is a > large > > town, but not a city. To be a city it would require a cathedral. In Virginia (US State), towns are governed by larger administrative bodies, namely counties. Cities, on the other hand, are independent of counties and on the same level in the administrative hierarchy as counties, even though they may be completely surrounded by a particular county. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] addr
In general, the world considers a city to be a "very large town". In the UK (and possibly other places) the concept of "city" has specific connotations, namely the granting of Letters Patent by the Crown (a cathedral is not a prerequisite, nor is it a guarantee of city status!) A similar system in the Netherlands dictates that The Hague is technically only a village as it has never formally been granted the right to call itself a town, let alone a city. The Post Town (as used by Royal Mail) is one way of defining a location, but there may be cases where Royal Mail disagrees with local government and/or common usage. On 08/05/2012 11:36, Philip Barnes wrote: I believe there is an address locallity which can be used in this case. Why city though? Isn't posttown more correct, not every address contains the name of city. Mine for example, Shrewsbury. It is a large town, but not a city. To be a city it would require a cathedral. Phil ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] addr
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Philip Barnes wrote: > I believe there is an address locallity which can be used in this case. Yes, and this is consistent with rural Irish addresses which don't use street and housenumbering, but divide parishes into "townlands", which http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Geocoding#Rural_Areas suggests tagging with "locality". (For example, my address when I lived in Ireland referred to all the houses on a particular hill, despite the two populated sides of the hill being reached by different road networks which only connected some distance from the hill!) __John ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] addr
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Philip Barnes wrote: > To be a city it would require a cathedral. Or a charter... Cambridge is a city without a cathedral, for example. __John ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] addr
I believe there is an address locallity which can be used in this case. Why city though? Isn't posttown more correct, not every address contains the name of city. Mine for example, Shrewsbury. It is a large town, but not a city. To be a city it would require a cathedral. Phil On 08/05/2012 10:14 David Earl wrote: If I have an address for the form N Somewhere Street Foo Bar Code so that addr:housnumber=N addr:street=Somewhere Street addr:city=Bar addr:postcode=Code where does Foo go, when Foo is a village or a suburb that is used as part of the address. I see we have addr:hamlet, but we don't have the equivalent addr:suburb or addr:village listed on the wiki. David ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] addr
If I have an address for the form N Somewhere Street Foo Bar Code so that addr:housnumber=N addr:street=Somewhere Street addr:city=Bar addr:postcode=Code where does Foo go, when Foo is a village or a suburb that is used as part of the address. I see we have addr:hamlet, but we don't have the equivalent addr:suburb or addr:village listed on the wiki. David ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
