Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2019-03-09 Thread Jan S
Am 8. März 2019 19:02:08 MEZ schrieb Martin > >what about other police facilities that are also tagged with >amenity=police >now, should they key the basic tag as well? That wouldn't be useful, I guess. Maintaining amenity=police would already be a concession to existing mapping and rendering

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2019-03-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 9. Mar 2019, at 01:31, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > & marked © www.berlinonline.net as well as OSM Contributors? > > Can they impose their own copyright on an OSM map? the data is copyright osm, the map rendering is their copyright. That’s the ODbL. You only have

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2019-03-08 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 9 Mar 2019 at 09:47, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > it is literally a safe-keeping ground, but what it actually means is an > area to store seized/confiscated objects (e.g. vehicles). > Ah, thanks, makes perfect sense now! - we know them as a holding-yard. fun fact: there’s an official

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2019-03-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone >> & what's a "Sicherstellungsgelände der Polizei" ? fun fact: there’s an official website and their map is OSM based: https://service.berlin.de/standort/121649/ Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2019-03-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 9. Mar 2019, at 00:18, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > & what's a "Sicherstellungsgelände der Polizei" ? All Google can come up with > is "freezing terrain", which I'm pretty sure isn't right! it is literally a safe-keeping ground, but what it actually means is an

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2019-03-08 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 9 Mar 2019 at 04:03, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > E.g. (I guess these aren't police stations, > Yeah, places like this one :-) https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/380771 (Or is it?) > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/23462697 > & what's a "Sicherstellungsgelände der Polizei" ?

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2019-03-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 7. März 2019 um 01:27 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > > maintain amenity=police for public-facing police station > > +1 for keeping the basic tag for police stations > what about other police facilities that are also tagged with amenity=police now, should

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2019-03-06 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> maintain amenity=police for public-facing police station +1 for keeping the basic tag for police stations ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2019-03-06 Thread Jan S
Am 6. März 2019 19:37:13 MEZ schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer : >I would be more in favor of using more explicit tags, like >amenity=police_station because this implies more obviously that it is a >public facing facility. Or, to keep it simple, maintain amenity=police for public-facing police

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2019-03-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
I would be more in favor of using more explicit tags, like amenity=police_station because this implies more obviously that it is a public facing facility. Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2019-03-06 Thread Jan S
Am 6. März 2019 13:56:43 MEZ schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer : > >IMHO we need to distinguish different kind of facilities (e.g. a police >station from police barracks) and different kind of police types at the >facility (e.g. coast guards, customs, federal police, military police, >etc. >plus

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2019-03-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 6. März 2019 um 09:55 Uhr schrieb Jan S : > Am 6. März 2019 01:57:21 MEZ schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer < > dieterdre...@gmail.com>: > >if you think about it, there are more police forces in Germany, > >particularly if we find more specific tagging for specific categories > >of forces (e.g.

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2019-03-06 Thread Jan S
Am 6. März 2019 01:57:21 MEZ schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer : > > >sent from a phone > >> On 5. Mar 2019, at 12:17, Jan S wrote: >> >> Any thoughts on this? > > >if you think about it, there are more police forces in Germany, >particularly if we find more specific tagging for specific categories

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2019-03-05 Thread Jan S
Am 6. März 2019 00:35:44 MEZ schrieb Graeme Fitzpatrick : >On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 at 22:01, Jan S wrote: > > >How about emergency=police? > I had thought about that, too. But my impression is that the emergency tag is more restricted to facilities that help you in ongoing situations of distress

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2019-03-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 5. Mar 2019, at 12:17, Jan S wrote: > > Any thoughts on this? if you think about it, there are more police forces in Germany, particularly if we find more specific tagging for specific categories of forces (e.g. Bereitschaftspolizei, Autobahnpolizei,

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2019-03-05 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 at 22:01, Jan S wrote: > As amenity=police is currently being used indiscriminately for almost all > police-related facilities, we would have to review all police buildings > manually anyways to differentiate police stations and other units. In the > long run, I would

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2019-03-05 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Mar 5, 2019, 12:59 PM by grimpeu...@gmail.com: > I imagined that all public-facing police stations be tagged as: > > police=station > operator=(Bundespolizei/Straż Miejska etc.) > opening_hours=* > ... > > Police barracks would then be > > police=barracks > operator=* > ... > And an

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2019-03-05 Thread Jan S
Am Di., 5. März 2019 um 12:46 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny < matkoni...@tutanota.com>: > > > > Mar 5, 2019, 12:17 PM by grimpeu...@gmail.com: > > I would hence suggest to introduce a new tag "police" with keys like > "station", "administration", "criminal police", "barracks", "range", >

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2019-03-05 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Mar 5, 2019, 12:17 PM by grimpeu...@gmail.com: > I would hence suggest to introduce a new tag "police" with keys like > "station", "administration", "criminal police", "barracks", "range", > "naval_base" (for river police or coast guard), etc. The type of police could > then be tagged as

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2019-03-05 Thread Jan S
Am Fr., 1. März 2019 um 18:55 Uhr schrieb Greg Troxel : > Martin Koppenhoefer writes: > > > I wonder what we call "police" in OSM. > > > > The wiki does not offer a lot of guidance (France aside): "A police > station > > is a building where police officers and other staff work and are >

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2019-03-01 Thread Greg Troxel
Sergio Manzi writes: > The typical roles of the Coast Guard (/or whatever is called in > different countries/) is maritime borders control and maritime law > enforcement. This is why it's hard. Border control is sort of military and law enforcement is mostly police.

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2019-03-01 Thread Greg Troxel
Graeme Fitzpatrick writes: >> The Border Patrol and other immigration people I would >> sort into police. They arrest people, rather than treating them as >> prisoners of war (Geneva convention again). > > So would a Border Patrol / Customs office be tagged as a Police station? That's a hard

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2019-03-01 Thread Sergio Manzi
On 2019-03-02 00:09, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > However, In Australia (& I know there are other countries the same) the Coast > Guard is a strictly civilian, volunteer marine rescue group only, with no > military, or police, connections at all (apart from working together with > Water Police

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2019-03-01 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 21:44, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I wonder what we call "police" in OSM. > > The wiki does not offer a lot of guidance (France aside): "A police > station is a building where police officers and other staff work and are > dispatched from, and where suspects and evidence

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2019-03-01 Thread Greg Troxel
Martin Koppenhoefer writes: > I wonder what we call "police" in OSM. > > The wiki does not offer a lot of guidance (France aside): "A police station > is a building where police officers and other staff work and are dispatched > from, and where suspects and evidence are collected and processed."

[Tagging] amenity=police

2019-02-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
I wonder what we call "police" in OSM. The wiki does not offer a lot of guidance (France aside): "A police station is a building where police officers and other staff work and are dispatched from, and where suspects and evidence are collected and processed."

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2013-08-07 Thread Alex Rollin
office=government ? i was just looking at something similar with immigration offices, oft frequented by travelers. embassies, yes. in-country immigration offices, no. -- Alex On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: To move this forward I've put this in

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2013-08-07 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Alex Rollin alex.rol...@gmail.com wrote: office=government ? i was just looking at something similar with immigration offices, oft frequented by travelers. embassies, yes. in-country immigration offices, no. That's broader, and works for some ranger

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2013-08-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 07/ago/2013, alle ore 08:17, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com ha scritto: office=government ? i was just looking at something similar with immigration offices, oft frequented by travelers. embassies, yes. in-country immigration offices, no. That's broader, and works for

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2013-08-06 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
To move this forward I've put this in proposal draft form: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:amenity%3Dranger_station While the amenity amenity tag is overloaded, it seems more practical to put ranger stations next to fire and police stations, at least for now.

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2013-08-01 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: We were just discussing the amenity tag in #osm. If we are inventing a new tag, can we avoid using amenity? Whatever a ranger station is, it is not an amenity and I would like to stop the spread of this woefully

[Tagging] amenity=police

2013-07-31 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
At: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/US_National_Park_Service_Tagging We have ranger stations listed under amenity=police. Rangers are indeed a type of police, but one that often also counts squirrels or displays rocks. Should ranger stations get their own tag?

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2013-07-31 Thread Dominik George
Hi, the question is: Is there duty one oft law enforcement? If so, the tag is correct IMHO. -nik Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com schrieb: At: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/US_National_Park_Service_Tagging We have ranger stations listed under amenity=police. Rangers are indeed a type

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2013-07-31 Thread Mike Thompson
While there may be personnel at a ranger station that have law enforcement authority, that will not always be the case, and in any event, law enforcement is probably not the primary function of most ranger stations. If every facility where law enforcement personnel were stationed were tagged

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2013-07-31 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:20 AM, Mike Thompson miketh...@gmail.com wrote: While there may be personnel at a ranger station that have law enforcement authority, that will not always be the case, and in any event, law enforcement is probably not the primary function of most ranger stations. If

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2013-07-31 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.comwrote: And aote the USA the jobs of law enforcement ranger and interpretive ranger have split, though both may work out of the same building. Ranger stations have overlap with fire stations and police stations, but seem quite

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2013-07-31 Thread Tod Fitch
And it would apply to US Forest Service ranger stations too. And even if USFS recreation personnel can write tickets for various parking, fire and hunting violations, I don't think they should be classified as police. FWIW, I believe that in California some beach life guards are sworn law

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2013-07-31 Thread Paul Johnson
That might not quite work...NFS ranger stations are, for all practical purposes, police stations and tourism information facilities. In BLM areas, they're almost exclusively police stations. In some states and most counties, they're purely tourism information. On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 2:09 PM,

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2013-07-31 Thread Toby Murray
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.uswrote: On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.comwrote: And aote the USA the jobs of law enforcement ranger and interpretive ranger have split, though both may work out of the same building.