Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I've added amenity=bear_box (for the feature) and bear_box=yes (as a property to add to campsites, caravan sites, camp pitches, etc) to the proposal at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Campsite_properties for now. i If it turns out to be too controversial I can remove it for

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-23 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 1:12 PM Paul Allen wrote: > On Fri, 23 Aug 2019 at 18:43, Dave Swarthout > wrote: > >> >> Still, if we want to allow for easy expansion of the tagging scheme then >> using waste_basket=bear-proof, for example, would help such future >> expansion. >> > > How about

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-22 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I agree that bear_box is clearer. Most food storage is not bear-proof. If there are other food storage options that are simply racoon-proof or squirrel-proof, they can be tagged differently, but I'm not aware of any of these. On 8/22/19, JS wrote: > > > Am 22. August 2019 03:41:08 MESZ schrieb

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-22 Thread JS
Am 22. August 2019 03:41:08 MESZ schrieb Rob Savoye : >On 8/21/19 7:27 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > >> For someone who is not familiar with the term 'bear box' it may >> sound like bears are stored in there. That would seem like a rather odd idea. Why would a bear be stored in a box, and

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Rob Savoye
On 8/21/19 7:27 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > For someone who is not familiar with the term 'bear box' it may > sound like bears are stored in there. > "Food storage box" might be better? Actually something like that is probably a better term. I think 'bear box' only because that's the

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Rob Savoye
On 8/21/19 5:17 PM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > I agree with Martin. It's not good practice to use semicolons in the > value of the main feature tag, like amenity=bbq;bear_box, because this > is hard for database users to interpret with a simple algorithm. Actually I've found the opposite.

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 7:53 PM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 22/08/19 10:25, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 7:23 PM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Is there a requirement to tag these 'animal resistant boxes'? Would a >> more universal tag be better? >> > >

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Warin
On 22/08/19 10:25, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 7:23 PM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com > wrote: Is there a requirement to tag these 'animal resistant boxes'? Would a more universal tag be better? I've generally heard these referred to as

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 7:23 PM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Is there a requirement to tag these 'animal resistant boxes'? Would a more > universal tag be better? > I've generally heard these referred to as "bear boxes" regardless of the species they're intended to guard against.

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Warin
On 22/08/19 07:03, Tom Pfeifer wrote: On 21.08.2019 19:44, Rob Savoye wrote:    Many western state campgrounds have metal bear proof food storage boxes in each campsite, but not all of them. At certain times of the year this can be important. :-) Around here the bears will destroy your car if

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Warin
On 22/08/19 08:16, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 08:02, Rob Savoye > wrote: > We should probably add both of these to the proposed list of > campsite property tags at   That's be a good idea, as bear boxes are becoming more and more

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 5:20 PM Rob Savoye wrote: > On 8/21/19 4:16 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > We don't have that problem!, but are the bear boxes at each individual > > site / pitch, or is there one / "x" for the entire campground? > > Bear boxes are in every campsite, and hold about

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 4:04 PM Tom Pfeifer wrote: > On 21.08.2019 19:44, Rob Savoye wrote: > >Many western state campgrounds have metal bear proof food storage > > boxes in each campsite, but not all of them. At certain times of the > > year this can be important. :-) Around here the bears

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Evan Derickson
Bear boxes can be shared among multiple campsites, especially in backcountry campgrounds. We should also consider that there are other forms of food protection, such as bear wires and bear poles, that are used in some campsites. What about tagging with something like

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I agree with Martin. It's not good practice to use semicolons in the value of the main feature tag, like amenity=bbq;bear_box, because this is hard for database users to interpret with a simple algorithm. At the proposal (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Campsite_properties)

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Aug 2019, at 00:01, Rob Savoye wrote: > > Yeah, I'd add this to a 'tourism=camp_pitch' node. Where I was > yesterday works out to something like 'amenity=bbq;bear_box;parking' > plus 'leisure=firepit'. a more common mapping method would be individual objects for

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Rob Savoye
On 8/21/19 4:16 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > We don't have that problem!, but are the bear boxes at each individual > site / pitch, or is there one / "x" for the entire campground? Bear boxes are in every campsite, and hold about a week's worth of food. They're big enough you can put in a

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 08:02, Rob Savoye wrote: > > > We should probably add both of these to the proposed list of > > campsite property tags at > > That's be a good idea, as bear boxes are becoming more and more common > in western US campgrounds. > We don't have that problem!, but are the

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Rob Savoye
On 8/21/19 3:54 PM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > This suggests that you could also use bear_box=yes/no with a > tourism=camp_site or tourism=camp_pitch feature to specify whether > or not their is a bear box somewhere at the location. Yeah, I'd add this to a 'tourism=camp_pitch' node. Where I was

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Good idea! I agree that amenity=bear_box would be a good way to map this feature, probably on a node. This suggests that you could also use bear_box=yes/no with a tourism=camp_site or tourism=camp_pitch feature to specify whether or not their is a bear box somewhere at the location. We should

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 at 22:05, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > > The question remains if tagging the boxes would give bears an advantage as > they could exploit the > knowledge and focus on sites without such boxes? > +1 -- Paul ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Tom Pfeifer
On 21.08.2019 19:44, Rob Savoye wrote: Many western state campgrounds have metal bear proof food storage boxes in each campsite, but not all of them. At certain times of the year this can be important. :-) Around here the bears will destroy your car if there is food left inside. I see zero

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Andy Townsend
On 21/08/2019 19:03, Mark Wagner wrote: On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:44:41 -0600 Rob Savoye wrote: Many western state campgrounds have metal bear proof food storage boxes in each campsite, but not all of them. At certain times of the year this can be important. :-) Around here the bears will

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Mark Wagner
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:44:41 -0600 Rob Savoye wrote: > Many western state campgrounds have metal bear proof food storage > boxes in each campsite, but not all of them. At certain times of the > year this can be important. :-) Around here the bears will destroy > your car if there is food left

[Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Rob Savoye
Many western state campgrounds have metal bear proof food storage boxes in each campsite, but not all of them. At certain times of the year this can be important. :-) Around here the bears will destroy your car if there is food left inside. I see zero instances of this type of data, at least not