Re: [Tagging] bicycle:lanes=designated|... vs cycleway:lanes=lane|...

2015-01-14 Thread Martin Vonwald
2015-01-14 17:02 GMT+01:00 fly :

> Am 13.01.2015 um 13:38 schrieb Martin Vonwald:
> > When writing the :lanes-proposal I used those tags in an example. But in
> > my opinion bicycle:lanes=...|designated|... fits better.
>
> I was irritated by your example, as well. Maybe, you can rework some
> examples and add them to the wiki. At least, marking the original ones
> as outdated would be really appreciated.
>

Good point, although I wouldn't touch the original proposal. But we need
some more examples, I think either at the end of the main article "Lanes"
or at least linked from there. I hope I'll find the time in the next days
or week, then I'll see to it.

Best regards,
Martin
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Re: [Tagging] bicycle:lanes=designated|... vs cycleway:lanes=lane|...

2015-01-14 Thread fly
Am 13.01.2015 um 13:38 schrieb Martin Vonwald:
> When writing the :lanes-proposal I used those tags in an example. But in
> my opinion bicycle:lanes=...|designated|... fits better.

I was irritated by your example, as well. Maybe, you can rework some
examples and add them to the wiki. At least, marking the original ones
as outdated would be really appreciated.


Thanks fly

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Re: [Tagging] bicycle:lanes=designated|... vs cycleway:lanes=lane|...

2015-01-13 Thread Hubert
Well then: +1 to all. No exceptions.

Am 13. Januar 2015 14:01:16 MEZ, schrieb Martin Vonwald :
>2015-01-13 13:52 GMT+01:00 Hubert :
>
>> +1 to all. Except "none" in this case was meant to be the default
>value
>> from the :lanes proposal.
>>
>
>The "default value" is always an empty value, e.g. minspeed=|80|50. The
>value "none" might be defined by the main key, e.g. maxspeed=none. If
>the
>main key does not specify the value "none", one should not use this
>value
>in any suffixed key.
>
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Re: [Tagging] bicycle:lanes=designated|... vs cycleway:lanes=lane|...

2015-01-13 Thread Martin Vonwald
2015-01-13 13:52 GMT+01:00 Hubert :

> +1 to all. Except "none" in this case was meant to be the default value
> from the :lanes proposal.
>

The "default value" is always an empty value, e.g. minspeed=|80|50. The
value "none" might be defined by the main key, e.g. maxspeed=none. If the
main key does not specify the value "none", one should not use this value
in any suffixed key.
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Re: [Tagging] bicycle:lanes=designated|... vs cycleway:lanes=lane|...

2015-01-13 Thread Hubert
+1 to all. Except "none" in this case was meant to be the default value from 
the :lanes proposal.

Am 13. Januar 2015 13:45:24 MEZ, schrieb Martin Vonwald :
>2015-01-13 13:38 GMT+01:00 Hubert :
>
>> I would not. IMO bicycle:lanes is an access Tag while cycleway:lanes
>> defines es the type. So one could have cycleway:lanes:forward=none |
>lane
>> and bicycle:lanes:forwad= yes | designated , for example.
>>
>
>That's correct. AFAIK it is common understanding, that some kind of way
>with access tags bicycle=designated and vehicle=no (or similar) is more
>or
>less identical to a cyclelane.
>
>My problems with cycleway:lanes=...|lane|none|... are:
>* The value none is not specified for the key cycleway
>* The tag cycleway=lane tells use, there is a cyclelane, but it doesn't
>tell us where.
>
>Best regards,
>Martin
>
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Re: [Tagging] bicycle:lanes=designated|... vs cycleway:lanes=lane|...

2015-01-13 Thread Martin Vonwald
2015-01-13 13:38 GMT+01:00 Hubert :

> I would not. IMO bicycle:lanes is an access Tag while cycleway:lanes
> defines es the type. So one could have cycleway:lanes:forward=none | lane
> and bicycle:lanes:forwad= yes | designated , for example.
>

That's correct. AFAIK it is common understanding, that some kind of way
with access tags bicycle=designated and vehicle=no (or similar) is more or
less identical to a cyclelane.

My problems with cycleway:lanes=...|lane|none|... are:
* The value none is not specified for the key cycleway
* The tag cycleway=lane tells use, there is a cyclelane, but it doesn't
tell us where.

Best regards,
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Re: [Tagging] bicycle:lanes=designated|... vs cycleway:lanes=lane|...

2015-01-13 Thread Hubert
I would not. IMO bicycle:lanes is an access Tag while cycleway:lanes defines es 
the type. So one could have cycleway:lanes:forward=none | lane and 
bicycle:lanes:forwad= yes | designated , for example.

Am 13. Januar 2015 13:28:22 MEZ, schrieb Andrew Shadura :
>Hi,
>
>Some places in the wiki mention cycleway:lanes:* tags, and those are
>indeed used in a few places (31 uses currently). It seems to me these
>tags are obsolete and have been replaced by bicycle:lanes:*, is that
>correct? Should I probably mass-replace them?
>
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>  Andrew
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Re: [Tagging] bicycle:lanes=designated|... vs cycleway:lanes=lane|...

2015-01-13 Thread Martin Vonwald
When writing the :lanes-proposal I used those tags in an example. But in my
opinion bicycle:lanes=...|designated|... fits better.

"mass-replace" is a word that might cause some adverse reactions on this
mailing list ;-)

Have fun,
Martin


2015-01-13 13:28 GMT+01:00 Andrew Shadura :

> Hi,
>
> Some places in the wiki mention cycleway:lanes:* tags, and those are
> indeed used in a few places (31 uses currently). It seems to me these
> tags are obsolete and have been replaced by bicycle:lanes:*, is that
> correct? Should I probably mass-replace them?
>
> --
> Cheers,
>   Andrew
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[Tagging] bicycle:lanes=designated|... vs cycleway:lanes=lane|...

2015-01-13 Thread Andrew Shadura
Hi,

Some places in the wiki mention cycleway:lanes:* tags, and those are
indeed used in a few places (31 uses currently). It seems to me these
tags are obsolete and have been replaced by bicycle:lanes:*, is that
correct? Should I probably mass-replace them?

-- 
Cheers,
  Andrew

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