Re: [Tagging] dispersed settlements / scattered settlements

2017-06-19 Thread Warin
On 19-Jun-17 08:30 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2017-06-18 17:44 GMT+02:00 Joachim >: Currently we categorize settlements by number of inhabitants, modified by importance. I would rather not open another dimension. The type of

Re: [Tagging] dispersed settlements / scattered settlements

2017-06-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-06-18 17:44 GMT+02:00 Joachim : > Currently we categorize settlements by number of inhabitants, modified > by importance. I would rather not open another dimension. The type of > of a settlement can be deduced by processing the landuse inside. If > there is use in a

Re: [Tagging] dispersed settlements / scattered settlements

2017-06-18 Thread Joachim
I agree that landuse should usually get no names. If a settlement has a name which is used only for administrative or postal purposes there is no need for a place=* feature, just use boundary=administrative/postal_code. If the dispersed settlement is perceived as an settlement (I'm living in...)

Re: [Tagging] dispersed settlements / scattered settlements

2017-06-17 Thread ralph.aytoun
scussion, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging] dispersed settlements / scattered settlements sent from a phone > On 17. Jun 2017, at 00:20, <ralph.ayt...@ntlworld.com> > <ralph.ayt...@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > A place=* does not just consist of a small

Re: [Tagging] dispersed settlements / scattered settlements

2017-06-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 17. Jun 2017, at 00:20, > wrote: > > A place=* does not just consist of a small built up area with it’s church, > shop and community centre, it usually includes a certain amount of greenbelt > and rural area

Re: [Tagging] dispersed settlements / scattered settlements

2017-06-16 Thread ralph.aytoun
Sent from Mail for Windows 10 I believe that too many people are confusing the landuse=residential with the boundary=* tags. There should not be any area names, hamlet names, community names attached to a landuse tag. The landuse tag is to indicate the use of the land (residential,

Re: [Tagging] dispersed settlements / scattered settlements

2017-06-16 Thread Javier Sánchez Portero
2017-06-16 19:52 GMT+01:00 Dudley Ibbett : > I’m slightly confused by this discussion. I live in a “hamlet” which is > within a “dispersed settlement”. “Dispersed settlement” describes the > pattern of isolated dwellings, farmyards, hamlets, villages etc. on a > much

Re: [Tagging] dispersed settlements / scattered settlements

2017-06-16 Thread Dudley Ibbett
dley From: Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> Sent: 16 June 2017 13:56 To: Jerry Clough - OSM; Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging] dispersed settlements / scattered settlements 2017-06-16 15:50 GMT+02:00 Jerry Clough - OSM <sk53_..

Re: [Tagging] dispersed settlements / scattered settlements

2017-06-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-06-16 15:50 GMT+02:00 Jerry Clough - OSM : > In summary: we have an excellent source of mapped dispersed settlements in > Europe; absence of any specific tags for such places has only slightly > impeded mapping (although perhaps a rigorous insistence on locality having

Re: [Tagging] dispersed settlements / scattered settlements

2017-06-16 Thread Jerry Clough - OSM
an open license. | | | | . From: Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" <tagging@openstreetmap.org> Sent: Friday, 16 June 2017, 11:25 Subject: Re: [Tagging] dispersed settlements / scattered settlements sent

Re: [Tagging] dispersed settlements / scattered settlements

2017-06-16 Thread Javier Sánchez Portero
Also note that, at least here in Spain, in a dispersed settlement the 'streets' usually have no name and the postal address of the building is given by the name of the settlement and a housenumber. So this is a valid postal address "Lugar Anocheza, 10" where "Lugar" means place.

Re: [Tagging] dispersed settlements / scattered settlements

2017-06-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 16. Jun 2017, at 09:42, Javier Sánchez Portero > wrote: > > Any of the two proposals, a new tag or change place=locality, will be fine. I'm strongly opposing changing locality to be used for settlements as well. Cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] dispersed settlements / scattered settlements

2017-06-16 Thread Javier Sánchez Portero
Hello I would like to say that here, in Spain, we are in the same case. The goverment office for population census give in [1] for each unit (settlement) two values refering to the nucleus population and to the dispersed population. Very frequently, there are units with only dispersed population

Re: [Tagging] dispersed settlements / scattered settlements

2017-06-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Jun 2017, at 06:29, Vao Matua wrote: > > A landuse= tag of Dispersed_Residential or Residential_Agriculture would be > helpful and more useful than place=locality or place=isolated_dwelling you can tag actual landuse (residential or

Re: [Tagging] dispersed settlements / scattered settlements

2017-06-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Jun 2017, at 00:11, John Willis wrote: > > What is your definition of it? a settlement consisting of dispersed houses, i.e. lots of space between them (more then just the garden), e.g. fields. Absence of a core/nucleus/centre. Wikipedia has an

Re: [Tagging] dispersed settlements / scattered settlements

2017-06-15 Thread mbranco2
Martin began this thread after a discussion in the Italian List [1] . Problem arise because we've official toponyms (they are used in addresses, in scarcely inhabited areas, where roads have not an official name). These toponyms are not strictly related to the (few) dispersed houses, but also to

Re: [Tagging] dispersed settlements / scattered settlements

2017-06-15 Thread Warin
If the land is not used for agriculture but for residences then landuse=residential. Most of the land is used for agriculture? Then landuse=farmland. Where the land between the buildings is used for both .. I'd map it landuse=farmland. And then where a residence occurs - map the building,

Re: [Tagging] dispersed settlements / scattered settlements

2017-06-14 Thread John Willis
What is your definition of it? Javbw > On Jun 14, 2017, at 11:31 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > Looking at the currently available place values, there are still some gaps to > fill. IMHO we should have something for dispersed settlements / scattered >

[Tagging] dispersed settlements / scattered settlements

2017-06-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Looking at the currently available place values, there are still some gaps to fill. IMHO we should have something for dispersed settlements / scattered settlements, as locality is for places where the name doesn't refer to something inhabited. Which term is better understood / used in the UK,