Re: [Tagging] electric zigarrettes

2015-04-24 Thread Thorsten Alge
I fear at this stage we can only agree to disagree : to me using e-cigarettes *is* smoking. I don't care much for the physicist's definition of smoke. It's the social/medical definition that matters here, the one that gets turned into laws and ultimately into osm tags. No offence but it is

Re: [Tagging] electric zigarrettes

2015-04-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 24.04.2015 um 00:01 schrieb moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com: It's the social/medical definition that matters here yes, but also there it is not the same. Around here, vaping is allowed and at least tolerated if not accepted socially indoors, eg in a restaurant. Medically, you

Re: [Tagging] electric zigarrettes

2015-04-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 24.04.2015 um 02:51 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com: An i-phone is still considered a phone. -1, a Mercedes is still considered a car. And now? Smoking is about inhaling smoke, a telephone is about speaking remotely and a car is a means of transport. cheers Martin

Re: [Tagging] electric zigarrettes

2015-04-24 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:58 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: yes, but also there it is not the same. Around here, vaping is allowed and at least tolerated if not accepted socially indoors, eg in a restaurant. Medically, you don't inhale smoke, so there are big

Re: [Tagging] electric zigarrettes

2015-04-24 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 24/04/2015, Thorsten Alge li...@thorsten-alge.de wrote: I fear at this stage we can only agree to disagree : to me using e-cigarettes *is* smoking. I don't care much for the physicist's definition of smoke. It's the social/medical definition that matters here, the one that gets turned into

Re: [Tagging] electric zigarrettes

2015-04-23 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 23/04/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: you're suggesting smoking as a single namespace, which doesn't apply to vaporizers. Maybe inhaling? On the other hand, smoking is also forbidden when not inhaling... ;-) I think different namespaces make sense here, because they

Re: [Tagging] electric zigarrettes

2015-04-23 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone On Apr 24, 2015, at 7:01 AM, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote: to me using e-cigarettes *is* smoking. +1 An i-phone is still considered a phone. The rules governing e-cigs will stem from smoking in most places. I'm not going to include BBQs in smoking

Re: [Tagging] electric zigarrettes

2015-04-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-04-23 0:24 GMT+02:00 moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com: Your scheme uses exactly as many keys as mine for a given usecase. The only difference is that I put everything under a single namespace, which makes it tidyer and more discoverable. you're suggesting smoking as a single

Re: [Tagging] electric zigarrettes

2015-04-22 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 22/04/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-04-22 9:19 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: Well, electronic cigarettes aren't really smoking in the first place, unless you want to claim that a teapot boiling is smoking, which is something most people realize

Re: [Tagging] electric zigarrettes

2015-04-22 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:34 AM, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote: smoking=yes/no/outside/etc for the general value smoking:type=yes/no/etc for exceptions With type being any of cigarette, e-cigarette, hooka, marijuana, opium, etc. That would quickly get unwieldy, trying to tag

Re: [Tagging] electric zigarrettes

2015-04-22 Thread Thorsten Alge
However just repeating the smoking tagging scheme can cover all cases the smoking tag does: smoking=no vaporizing=no vaporizing:outside=separated smoking:outside=no Remember there's no need to tag something that's already a legal restriction (such as the area I live in which

Re: [Tagging] electric zigarrettes

2015-04-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 22.04.2015 um 19:17 schrieb Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com: Remember there's no need to tag something that's already a legal restriction (such as the area I live in which has a blanket ban) where do you get this from? It's the first time I read this. Remember our data users

Re: [Tagging] electric zigarrettes

2015-04-22 Thread John Willis
I haven't been back to America for a while, but the no smoking signs had and e-cigarettes added to the bottom when I was back last year. It may not be technically a cigarette, but it is perceived to be in the same family as other things that protrude from your mouth and allow for nicotine

Re: [Tagging] electric zigarrettes

2015-04-22 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 22/04/2015, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:34 AM, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote: smoking=yes/no/outside/etc for the general value smoking:type=yes/no/etc for exceptions With type being any of cigarette, e-cigarette, hooka, marijuana, opium,

Re: [Tagging] electric zigarrettes

2015-04-22 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 3:47 PM, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote: On 21/04/2015, Thorsten Alge li...@thorsten-alge.de wrote: is there a tag to express that the use of electronic cigarettes is permitted at a location? If not I'd like to suggest the use ecigarette=* or

Re: [Tagging] electric zigarrettes

2015-04-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-04-22 9:19 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: Well, electronic cigarettes aren't really smoking in the first place, unless you want to claim that a teapot boiling is smoking, which is something most people realize isn't the case by the time they're 10... +1, e-cigarettes

[Tagging] electric zigarrettes

2015-04-21 Thread Thorsten Alge
Hi, is there a tag to express that the use of electronic cigarettes is permitted at a location? If not I'd like to suggest the use ecigarette=* or vaporizing=* with the same values as smoking=*. Opinions? Thorsten ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] electric zigarrettes

2015-04-21 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 21/04/2015, Thorsten Alge li...@thorsten-alge.de wrote: is there a tag to express that the use of electronic cigarettes is permitted at a location? If not I'd like to suggest the use ecigarette=* or vaporizing=* with the same values as smoking=*. I've never seen a place that permitted one

Re: [Tagging] electric zigarrettes

2015-04-21 Thread Thorsten Alge
I stumbled upon it a few weeks ago. In a restaurant were smoking is only allowed outdoors vaporizing is allowed indoors. I asked in a few other restaurants and it's the same there. On 2015-04-21 22:47, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: On 21/04/2015, Thorsten Alge li...@thorsten-alge.de wrote: is there