Re: [Tagging] highway=stop and highway=give_way to traffic_sign=stop and traffic_sign=give_way

[Philip Barnes]

On Mon, 2018-04-02 at 10:59 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> 

> traffic_sign is about a traffic sign, the highway=* tags are features
> of a highway, but of course there is a relation between the two (a
> highway=stop will also have one or more traffic_sign=stop which
> relate/s to it, although it/they might be omitted in the map)
> 
As Martin says "traffic_sign is about a traffic sign, the highway=*
tags are features of a highway".

Highway=stop and highway=give_way indicate the position of the
distinctive road markings. 

It would very wrong to make the assumption that the existence of either
implies there is a sign, whilst highway=stop is  rare in my part of the
world, give_ways are very common and it is quite common in built up
areas for there to be only road markings and no sign.

An example here
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=52.859924967289714&lng=-2.7254544102
803493&z=17&pKey=ZZbhkXydUQB51IhnopRo_w&focus=photo

Phil (trigpoint)



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Re: [Tagging] highway=stop and highway=give_way to traffic_sign=stop and traffic_sign=give_way

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 2. Apr 2018, at 09:33, yo paseopor  wrote:
> 
> I see traffic_sign=city_limit or traffic_sign=maxspeed but then I see 
> highway=stop or highway=give_way. I don't know why these two traffic signs 
> are under the tag highway and not the tag traffic_sign itself. Do you know 
> why? If you know it , please explain it to me. Thanks.


traffic_sign is about a traffic sign, the highway=* tags are features of a 
highway, but of course there is a relation between the two (a highway=stop will 
also have one or more traffic_sign=stop which relate/s to it, although it/they 
might be omitted in the map)

cheers,
Martin 
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Re: [Tagging] highway=stop and highway=give_way to traffic_sign=stop and traffic_sign=give_way

[José G Moya Y .]

Forgot to say I read somewhere the opposite of your proposal, translating
some traffic_sign to highway. Don't remember where.

El lun., 2 de abril de 2018 10:46, José G Moya Y. 
escribió:

> Hi.
> I'm also Spanish, and I'm very newbie. But here is my interpretation:
>
> I understand "traffic_sign" is not related to the subjacent way, so
> "highway" is used instead for signs that are relevant for pathfinding.
> Also, highway shows some implicit values not shown on "vertical signals"
> (i guess "traffic_sign" is used for "vertical signals" only, not for signs
> drawn on the path itself). This explains why maxspeed or weight limit are
> included in the category highway.
>
> El lun., 2 de abril de 2018 9:35, yo paseopor 
> escribió:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> I'm introducing myself. I'm yopaseopor . I'm from the Spanish and Catalan
>> Communities of OSM. Also I have a particular interest because of the map:
>> the traffic signs and their meaning.
>> Checking the map I have found a "glitch" on my mind: The situation of
>> highway=stop and highway=give_way.
>> I see traffic_sign=city_limit or traffic_sign=maxspeed but then I see
>> highway=stop or highway=give_way. I don't know why these two traffic signs
>> are under the tag highway and not the tag traffic_sign itself. Do you know
>> why? If you know it , please explain it to me. Thanks.
>>
>> Also I wish to make a proposal to the community: "translate" all the
>> highway=stop and highway=give_way to traffic_sign=stop and
>> traffic_sign=give_way.
>> What do you think about it ? Let's start the discussion. Thanks for
>> reading.
>>
>> Salut i senyals de trànsit (Health and traffic_signs)
>> yopaseopor
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Re: [Tagging] highway=stop and highway=give_way to traffic_sign=stop and traffic_sign=give_way

[José G Moya Y .]

Hi.
I'm also Spanish, and I'm very newbie. But here is my interpretation:

I understand "traffic_sign" is not related to the subjacent way, so
"highway" is used instead for signs that are relevant for pathfinding.
Also, highway shows some implicit values not shown on "vertical signals" (i
guess "traffic_sign" is used for "vertical signals" only, not for signs
drawn on the path itself). This explains why maxspeed or weight limit are
included in the category highway.

El lun., 2 de abril de 2018 9:35, yo paseopor 
escribió:

> Hi!
>
> I'm introducing myself. I'm yopaseopor . I'm from the Spanish and Catalan
> Communities of OSM. Also I have a particular interest because of the map:
> the traffic signs and their meaning.
> Checking the map I have found a "glitch" on my mind: The situation of
> highway=stop and highway=give_way.
> I see traffic_sign=city_limit or traffic_sign=maxspeed but then I see
> highway=stop or highway=give_way. I don't know why these two traffic signs
> are under the tag highway and not the tag traffic_sign itself. Do you know
> why? If you know it , please explain it to me. Thanks.
>
> Also I wish to make a proposal to the community: "translate" all the
> highway=stop and highway=give_way to traffic_sign=stop and
> traffic_sign=give_way.
> What do you think about it ? Let's start the discussion. Thanks for
> reading.
>
> Salut i senyals de trànsit (Health and traffic_signs)
> yopaseopor
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Re: [Tagging] highway=stop and highway=give_way to traffic_sign=stop and traffic_sign=give_way

[Volker Schmidt]

Your logic is correct.
But in OSM it is common practice that several tagging schemes for the same
situation coexist. This is one of them We have 40 highway=stop and 4000
traffic_sign=stop.
I would leave it as is, at most adding in the wiki that there are two
dfferent approaches. It seems that the "minority" approach, i.e. "
traffic_sign=stop", is not described a present.

Volker


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On 2 April 2018 at 09:33, yo paseopor  wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I'm introducing myself. I'm yopaseopor . I'm from the Spanish and Catalan
> Communities of OSM. Also I have a particular interest because of the map:
> the traffic signs and their meaning.
> Checking the map I have found a "glitch" on my mind: The situation of
> highway=stop and highway=give_way.
> I see traffic_sign=city_limit or traffic_sign=maxspeed but then I see
> highway=stop or highway=give_way. I don't know why these two traffic signs
> are under the tag highway and not the tag traffic_sign itself. Do you know
> why? If you know it , please explain it to me. Thanks.
>
> Also I wish to make a proposal to the community: "translate" all the
> highway=stop and highway=give_way to traffic_sign=stop and
> traffic_sign=give_way.
> What do you think about it ? Let's start the discussion. Thanks for
> reading.
>
> Salut i senyals de trànsit (Health and traffic_signs)
> yopaseopor
>
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Re: [Tagging] highway=stop and highway=give_way to traffic_sign=stop and traffic_sign=give_way

[Jo]

Those two tags go way back. Stop signs are important, so we've been mapping
them before the more general traffic_sign tags came along.

I'm using them as nodes on the highway, more to indicate the effect of
signage, than to indicate signage and traffic signs themselves.

2018-04-02 9:33 GMT+02:00 yo paseopor :

> Hi!
>
> I'm introducing myself. I'm yopaseopor . I'm from the Spanish and Catalan
> Communities of OSM. Also I have a particular interest because of the map:
> the traffic signs and their meaning.
> Checking the map I have found a "glitch" on my mind: The situation of
> highway=stop and highway=give_way.
> I see traffic_sign=city_limit or traffic_sign=maxspeed but then I see
> highway=stop or highway=give_way. I don't know why these two traffic signs
> are under the tag highway and not the tag traffic_sign itself. Do you know
> why? If you know it , please explain it to me. Thanks.
>
> Also I wish to make a proposal to the community: "translate" all the
> highway=stop and highway=give_way to traffic_sign=stop and
> traffic_sign=give_way.
> What do you think about it ? Let's start the discussion. Thanks for
> reading.
>
> Salut i senyals de trànsit (Health and traffic_signs)
> yopaseopor
>
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Re: [Tagging] highway=stop and highway=give_way to traffic_sign=stop and traffic_sign=give_way

[osm.tagging]

As I see it, the traffic_sign tags indicated the position of the traffic sign 
(if any), while the highway tags (on a node on the highway) indicate the 
position of the stop or give way line on the road (which may exist even in the 
absence of a sign) or where the line would be.

 

From: yo paseopor  
Sent: Monday, 2 April 2018 17:33
To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools 
Subject: [Tagging] highway=stop and highway=give_way to traffic_sign=stop and 
traffic_sign=give_way

 

Hi!

 

I'm introducing myself. I'm yopaseopor . I'm from the Spanish and Catalan 
Communities of OSM. Also I have a particular interest because of the map: the 
traffic signs and their meaning. 

Checking the map I have found a "glitch" on my mind: The situation of 
highway=stop and highway=give_way. 

I see traffic_sign=city_limit or traffic_sign=maxspeed but then I see 
highway=stop or highway=give_way. I don't know why these two traffic signs are 
under the tag highway and not the tag traffic_sign itself. Do you know why? If 
you know it , please explain it to me. Thanks.

 

Also I wish to make a proposal to the community: "translate" all the 
highway=stop and highway=give_way to traffic_sign=stop and 
traffic_sign=give_way.

What do you think about it ? Let's start the discussion. Thanks for reading.

 

Salut i senyals de trànsit (Health and traffic_signs)

yopaseopor

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[Tagging] highway=stop and highway=give_way to traffic_sign=stop and traffic_sign=give_way

[yo paseopor]

Hi!

I'm introducing myself. I'm yopaseopor . I'm from the Spanish and Catalan
Communities of OSM. Also I have a particular interest because of the map:
the traffic signs and their meaning.
Checking the map I have found a "glitch" on my mind: The situation of
highway=stop and highway=give_way.
I see traffic_sign=city_limit or traffic_sign=maxspeed but then I see
highway=stop or highway=give_way. I don't know why these two traffic signs
are under the tag highway and not the tag traffic_sign itself. Do you know
why? If you know it , please explain it to me. Thanks.

Also I wish to make a proposal to the community: "translate" all the
highway=stop and highway=give_way to traffic_sign=stop and
traffic_sign=give_way.
What do you think about it ? Let's start the discussion. Thanks for reading.

Salut i senyals de trànsit (Health and traffic_signs)
yopaseopor
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