Oh, I understand this tag.
I was just concerned that other mappers might misuse the tag if it isn't
clear.
I know that as a new user (just a few months ago!) I would often just try
typing in words in the ID editor,
and picking the tag that looked right. Who has time to follow the link to
the
Javbw
> On Oct 2, 2018, at 8:02 AM, Joseph Eisenberg
> wrote:
>
> 90% of the land in some western American States will be owned and managed by
> some level of government
This is not about who is on the operator=* tag on a hundred square miles of
grazing lands in Colorado.
It is about
Civic_admin is a little too specific, but government is not specific
enough. 90% of the land in some western American States will be owned and
managed by some level of government; eg National and State forests and
grasslands, parks and monuments, military reservations, wildlife preserves,
BLM land
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 05:28, SelfishSeahorse
wrote:
>
> * Isn't 'civic administration' limited to the administration of a town
> or city (compared to the administration of the state, county etc.)?
>
I would have said that it applied to any & all levels of Govt - local,
State & Federal
> Maybe
Hello everyone!
I haven't forgotten the landuse=civic_admin proposal, but I'm
uncertain about two points and would like to know your opinion:
* Isn't 'civic administration' limited to the administration of a town
or city (compared to the administration of the state, county etc.)?
Maybe it would
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> On 22. Sep 2018, at 00:18, John Willis wrote:
>
> Yep, those are useful, but it doesn't state that they are "operated" by a
> specific group (the specific temple down the street) - just what is the
> religion/denomination is practiced there.
if these are added to a
> On Sep 22, 2018, at 6:07 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer
> wrote:
>
> the important tags here are “religion” and “denomination”,
Yep, those are useful, but it doesn't state that they are "operated" by a
specific group (the specific temple down the street) - just what is the
religion/denomination
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> On 21. Sep 2018, at 03:59, John Willis wrote:
>
> Similar with religious schools. My buddhist school is operated by a
> “business” representing the temple.
>
> the school is a school, operator=[temple business].
the important tags here are “religion” and
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> On 20. Sep 2018, at 08:25, Andy Townsend wrote:
>
> In your part of the world, perhaps. Elsewhere, this isn't guaranteed to be
> the case. Certainly here in the UK many formerly "civic" services have been
> privatised and are run for out-and-out commercial gain;
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> On 20. Sep 2018, at 04:57, John Willis wrote:
>
> I wholeheartedly believe the decision to use commercial for Civic buildings
> was wrong, and came from an adversity to making enough new landuse values at
> the start. I want to correct that.
I support this. IMHO it
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> On 19. Sep 2018, at 21:26, Kevin Kenny wrote:
>
> The landuse also is perhaps better in that it's a more appropriate tag
> for 'government' facilities such as a highway maintenance garage
IMHO landuse is never a good tag for a feature (or facility). We can have
landuse
On 9/20/18 9:54 PM, SelfishSeahorse wrote:
On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 at 11:20, egil wrote:
I tend to agree with Colins arguments below, because in Sweden gov. agencies
are very mixed into the central spaces of cities but often not clustered
together in large complexes or whole areas.
Just
> On Sep 21, 2018, at 7:28 AM, Clifford Snow wrote:
>
> Why should farm be tagged as landuse=religious instead of landuse=farmland
> just because it is run by monks?
I agree. land used for farming (ie: a big field full of rice, wheat, corn, etc)
should be tagged as farmland.
A temple
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 1:39 AM Colin Smale wrote:
> Maybe it's just me, but I really can't understand why landuse for
> government functions needs its own tagging. The buildings are often
> indistinguishable from commercial properties - what is different is that
> the occupier is some statutory
On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 at 06:08, SelfishSeahorse
wrote:
> Still sure that you don't want to resurrect the proposal? :-) I will
> never be able to express my thoughts that well ...
>
> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 at 15:46, John Willis wrote:
>
Copy & paste works well :-)
Thanks
Graeme
I couldn't agree more.
Still sure that you don't want to resurrect the proposal? :-) I will
never be able to express my thoughts that well ...
On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 at 15:46, John Willis wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 20, 2018, at 8:49 PM, Colin Smale wrote:
> >
> > But this discussion is about land
On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 at 10:40, Colin Smale wrote:
> Maybe it's just me, but I really can't understand why landuse for government
> functions needs its own tagging. The buildings are often indistinguishable
> from commercial properties - what is different is that the occupier is some
> statutory
On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 at 11:20, egil wrote:
> I tend to agree with Colins arguments below, because in Sweden gov. agencies
> are very mixed into the central spaces of cities but often not clustered
> together in large complexes or whole areas.
Just because a tag would have no use in a specific
On 2018-09-20 12:22, John Willis wrote:
>> On Sep 20, 2018, at 5:39 PM, Colin Smale wrote:
>>
>> Maybe it's just me, but I really can't understand why landuse for government
>> functions needs its own tagging. The buildings are often indistinguishable
>> from commercial properties
>
> Why
On 20.09.2018 11:19, egil wrote:
In Sweden government agencies are actually not allowed to own the properties
they use.
Well, but we tag the _use_, not the _ownership_.
So if they have long-running tenancy, they use it this way.
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On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 11:16 AM, Joseph Eisenberg <
joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote:
But if you’ve seen an America “civic center” or an Indonesian regency
> office, they are quite distinct from commercial offices. American offices
> and those in developing countries often seem to be trying to
> On Sep 20, 2018, at 5:39 PM, Colin Smale wrote:
>
> Maybe it's just me, but I really can't understand why landuse for government
> functions needs its own tagging. The buildings are often indistinguishable
> from commercial properties
Why does what the buildings look like matter?
It sounds this tag will not be used in Sweden. It may not be much use in
England either.
But if you’ve seen an America “civic center” or an Indonesian regency
office, they are quite distinct from commercial offices. American offices
and those in developing countries often seem to be trying to
> On Sep 20, 2018, at 3:25 PM, Andy Townsend wrote:
>
> Certainly here in the UK many formerly "civic" services have been privatised
> and are run for out-and-out commercial gain
Parliament's landuse isn't landuse=retiail, right?
You are thinking of *amenities and services* - not buildings
for gouvernment i use
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse=commercial
and set office information on point or directly on building
set bulding=public
Cheers
Le jeu. 20 sept. 2018 à 11:20, egil a écrit :
> In Sweden government agencies are actually not allowed to own the
> properties
In Sweden government agencies are actually not allowed to own the
properties they use.
Therefore they have long term tenant contracts with required minimum
level of building maintenance, etc.
These properties are owned by large private real estate giants buying
and selling from each other.
Maybe it's just me, but I really can't understand why landuse for
government functions needs its own tagging. The buildings are often
indistinguishable from commercial properties - what is different is that
the occupier is some statutory organisation. We don't tag
landuse=charity, or
On 20/09/18 03:57, John Willis wrote:
... Retail is always wrong. Commercial is a crutch.
In your part of the world, perhaps. Elsewhere, this isn't guaranteed to
be the case. Certainly here in the UK many formerly "civic" services
have been privatised and are run for out-and-out
> On Sep 20, 2018, at 1:04 PM, Joseph Eisenberg
> wrote:
>
> Would you be willing to revive the proposal and get it voted?
SelfishSeahorse asked me if he could take over the proposal, and I agreed.
There is not much else I can offer other than what I typed in the proposal,
though a few
Would you be willing to revive the proposal and get it voted?
Once it is approved we can make a real wiki page for landuse=civic_admin
and ask JOSM / ID folks about including it in presets.
I agree that it is needed
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 11:59 AM John Willis wrote:
>
>
> On Sep 20, 2018,
> On Sep 20, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Joseph Eisenberg
> wrote:
>
> It’s not necessary to have a separate landuse area if the government office
> is in a single building or shop. In that case the overarching “landuse” is
> still retail or commercial.
Do they sell "legislation" at a town hall?
It’s not necessary to have a separate landuse area if the government office
is in a single building or shop. In that case the overarching “landuse” is
still retail or commercial.
The new landuse=civic_admin is useful when there are multiple buildings and
government offices in a larger area, such
How about when your Govt office is a single "shop" in a retail area? eg
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4221669587, which is a at the end of a
shopping mall https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/235773662
Should we leave it as a shop, or re-tag that end of the retail building as
civic_admin?
What appears to be practice here, although I have only a few mapped
examples, is to have office=government appear on the (multi)polygon
representing the grounds, and not just on the building. I concede that
if you have a single large campus with offices of many agencies, the
subtags don't work, so
On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 at 23:48, Clifford Snow wrote:
>
> I would accept civic_admin as well.
>
> Markus - do you want to revive the proposal? I'd like to see this become a
> approved tag.
I don't really have experience in this but i'll try. I'm just going to
ask the author of the (draft) proposal
+1
On 9/18/18 11:47 PM, Clifford Snow wrote:
I would accept civic_admin as well.
Markus - do you want to revive the proposal? I'd like to see this
become a approved tag.
On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 1:15 PM OSMDoudou
<19b350d2-b1b3-4edb-ad96-288ea1238...@gmx.com
I would accept civic_admin as well.
Markus - do you want to revive the proposal? I'd like to see this become a
approved tag.
On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 1:15 PM OSMDoudou <
19b350d2-b1b3-4edb-ad96-288ea1238...@gmx.com> wrote:
> I'll go for civic_admin. Sounds specific enough. Thx.
>
>
>
I'll go for civic_admin. Sounds specific enough. Thx.
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On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 at 19:35, OSMDoudou
<19b350d2-b1b3-4edb-ad96-288ea1238...@gmx.com> wrote:
> How to tag a piece of land where governmental several office buildings are
> situated ?
Hi!
I would tag it landuse=civic_admin, which has been defined as 'an area
used for civic / governmental /
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> On 17. Sep 2018, at 23:59, Clifford Snow wrote:
>
> My choice is landuse=public or landuse=government. Neither are listed on the
> wiki page {1]. landuse=public has been used 300 times and with other
> extensions to public like public_administration it has over 400 uses.
On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 10:34 AM OSMDoudou <
19b350d2-b1b3-4edb-ad96-288ea1238...@gmx.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> The "landuse=commercial" page [1] says "area may consists of offices,
> administration", whereas the "landuse" page [2] says "Government services
> and businesses should not use this
On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 at 03:35, OSMDoudou <
19b350d2-b1b3-4edb-ad96-288ea1238...@gmx.com> wrote:
> The "landuse=commercial" page [1] says "area may consists of offices,
> administration", whereas the "landuse" page [2] says "Government services
> and businesses should not use this tag".
>
Hi
Hello,
The "landuse=commercial" page [1] says "area may consists of offices,
administration", whereas the "landuse" page [2] says "Government services
and businesses should not use this tag".
How to tag a piece of land where governmental several office buildings are
situated ?
For example, a
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