Re: [Tagging] leisure=firepit vs fireplace=Yes

[Jake Edmonds via Tagging]

> Note that it may mean that wiki is incomplete and should be edited.
Understood, but I wanted to get some other opinions before making any changes


> On 6 Jan 2020, at 12:18, Mateusz Konieczny  wrote:
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> 
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> 4 Jan 2020, 18:30 by tagging@openstreetmap.org:
> The pages for leisure=picnic_table and amenity=shelter do not mention 
> fireplace=*.
> Note that it may mean that wiki is incomplete and should be edited.
> 
> Wiki is an useful documentation but not some sort of a final authority.
> I don’t think it makes sense to use fireplace=yes as an additional tag and 
> they should be mapped separately as leisure=firepit. If I understand 
> correctly, additional tags should be used to describe the object itself, but 
> fire pits and tables/shelters can be used independently. If I’m planning a 
> trip and I want to make a fire, I am going to search for fire pits.
> 
> Is there something I haven’t considered? 
> Apparently at least some people considered situation as "this is a shelter 
> with/with nearby firepit"
> 
> See also toilets=yes vs separately mapped toilet for restaurants, fuel 
> stations etc.
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Re: [Tagging] leisure=firepit vs fireplace=Yes

[Mateusz Konieczny]

4 Jan 2020, 18:30 by tagging@openstreetmap.org:

> The pages for leisure=picnic_table and amenity=shelter do not mention 
> fireplace=*.
>
Note that it may mean that wiki is incomplete and should be edited.

Wiki is an useful documentation but not some sort of a final authority.

> I don’t think it makes sense to use fireplace=yes as an additional tag and 
> they should be mapped separately as leisure=firepit. If I understand 
> correctly, additional tags should be used to describe the object itself, but 
> fire pits and tables/shelters can be used independently. If I’m planning a 
> trip and I want to make a fire, I am going to search for fire pits.
>
> Is there something I haven’t considered? 
>
Apparently at least some people considered situation as "this is a shelter 
with/with nearby firepit"

See also toilets=yes vs separately mapped toilet for restaurants, fuel stations 
etc.
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Re: [Tagging] leisure=firepit vs fireplace=Yes

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> On 4. Jan 2020, at 18:32, Jake Edmonds via Tagging 
>  wrote:
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> I don’t think it makes sense to use fireplace=yes as an additional tag and 
> they should be mapped separately as leisure=firepit.


additionally, mapping the fireplace explicitly and on its own with 
leisure=firepit does not make the addition of fireplace=yes for the containing 
picnic area wrong. It’s not necessarily an either or.

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Re: [Tagging] leisure=firepit vs fireplace=Yes

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> On 4. Jan 2020, at 18:32, Jake Edmonds via Tagging 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don’t think it makes sense to use fireplace=yes as an additional tag and 
> they should be mapped separately as leisure=firepit.


from what you have written in your introduction, other mappers in your area do 
think it makes sense to use a fireplace property, so even if you don’t like it 
you’ll probably have to accept it.

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[Tagging] leisure=firepit vs fireplace=Yes

[Jake Edmonds via Tagging]

In the woods around my area, there are many fire pits and picnic tables. Around 
25% of the fire pits are tagged as their own object with leisure=firepit  and 
the other 75% are additionally tagged as fireplace=yes on an 
amenity=shelter/shelter=picnic_shelter, tourism=picnic_site or 
leisure=picnic_table object.

Here is an example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5610200725 

Photo of the object: 
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Picnic_Table_-_Ko%C5%A1ice_-_mestsk%C3%A1_%C4%8Das%C5%A5_Sever.jpg
 


The wiki page for fireplace refers to a structure with a chimney (as is 
commonly used in English).

The page for tourism=picnic_site does list fireplace=* as a possible additional 
tag and 'Alternatively, map separate features: leisure=firepit’

The pages for leisure=picnic_table and amenity=shelter do not mention 
fireplace=*.

I don’t think it makes sense to use fireplace=yes as an additional tag and they 
should be mapped separately as leisure=firepit. If I understand correctly, 
additional tags should be used to describe the object itself, but fire pits and 
tables/shelters can be used independently. If I’m planning a trip and I want to 
make a fire, I am going to search for fire pits.

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