Re: [Tagging] meaning of highway=crossing + bicycle=no

2020-10-05 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 5 Oct 2020 at 19:22, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <
tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> I always understood
> highway=crossing + bicycle=no
> tagging to mean "you cannot use this crossing to cross road while cycling,
> it does not affect legality of cycling on the road"
>

This.

Or is it a tagging that means "you must dismount while either
> using crossing and while cycling on the road",
>

No.

If this was correct, then every crossing that says motor_vehicles=no (all
of them?) would mean that vehicles driving down that street, couldn't
continue driving across the line of the crossing!

Thanks

Graeme
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Re: [Tagging] meaning of highway=crossing + bicycle=no

2020-10-05 Thread bkil
We always use it on nodes to mark a crossing where you must dismount. Not
very common on ways around here.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 11:22 AM Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <
tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> I always understood
> highway=crossing + bicycle=no
> tagging to mean "you cannot use this crossing to cross road while cycling,
> it does not affect legality of cycling on the road"
>
> Used when
> (1) cycleway or footway with allowed cycling is interrupted by
> crossing where cyclists are obligated to dismount
> (2) there is cycleway/footway with allowed cycling on both sides of
> road, it is tagged as cycleway:left/cycleway:right/cycleway:both
> and there is pedestrian only crossing at some point
> (cyclist cannot switch sides without dismounting)
>
> Or is it a tagging that means "you must dismount while either
> using crossing and while cycling on the road",
> making this basically useless.
>
> I am asking as there was discussion on OSM Wiki between me
> and one other person, with recent edits to OSM Wiki that seems
> to misrepresent real tagging practice.
>
> I am considering reverting them, but I wanted to ask here whatever
> what I think about tagging practice matches what other consider
> as consensus.
>
> See
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:highway%3Dcrossing=history
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:highway%3Dcrossing#highway.3Dcrossing_with_bicycle.3Dno
> for OSM Wiki links
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[Tagging] meaning of highway=crossing + bicycle=no

2020-10-05 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
I always understood
highway=crossing + bicycle=no
tagging to mean "you cannot use this crossing to cross road while cycling,
it does not affect legality of cycling on the road"

Used when 
(1) cycleway or footway with allowed cycling is interrupted by
crossing where cyclists are obligated to dismount
(2) there is cycleway/footway with allowed cycling on both sides of
road, it is tagged as cycleway:left/cycleway:right/cycleway:both
and there is pedestrian only crossing at some point
(cyclist cannot switch sides without dismounting)

Or is it a tagging that means "you must dismount while either
using crossing and while cycling on the road", 
making this basically useless.

I am asking as there was discussion on OSM Wiki between me
and one other person, with recent edits to OSM Wiki that seems
to misrepresent real tagging practice.

I am considering reverting them, but I wanted to ask here whatever
what I think about tagging practice matches what other consider
as consensus.

See
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:highway%3Dcrossing=history
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:highway%3Dcrossing#highway.3Dcrossing_with_bicycle.3Dno
for OSM Wiki links
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