Re: [Tagging] railway=rail vs. railway=subway

2016-11-24 Thread Michael Reichert
Hi Bill, Am 23.11.2016 um 05:12 schrieb Bill Ricker: > On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 10:08 PM, Michael Tsang wrote: >>> Oh really. Boston MBTA green line is a subway line that extends onto >>> surface streets. Not full rail gauge iirc (though other lines are) and >>> neither surface

Re: [Tagging] railway=rail vs. railway=subway

2016-11-24 Thread Mark Wagner
On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 07:45:04 -0800 (PST) Michael Tsang wrote: > > I don't follow this. light rail is about the cars being lighter and > > perhaps the rails being built to a lower weight limit, and it isn't > > about grade crossings. Around me there is real rail with

Re: [Tagging] railway=rail vs. railway=subway

2016-11-23 Thread Greg Troxel
Michael Tsang writes: >> I don't follow this. light rail is about the cars being lighter and >> perhaps the rails being built to a lower weight limit, and it isn't >> about grade crossings. Around me there is real rail with fll-sized >> enginers and is fully freight capable

Re: [Tagging] railway=rail vs. railway=subway

2016-11-23 Thread Bill Ricker
On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Richard Welty wrote: > > even more so, the MBTA considers the Green line a subway even though > it's mostly above ground. i found this remarkably confusing when i took > it into BU for a meeting a month or so back. > Right. ​MBTA

Re: [Tagging] railway=rail vs. railway=subway

2016-11-23 Thread Bill Ricker
On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: > > ​and the way magically transforms to railway=subway at the tunnel portal? > > This is the real difficulty. One approach is to tag the 3 parts > separately, and the other is to say that if individual trains run end to >

Re: [Tagging] railway=rail vs. railway=subway

2016-11-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-11-23 17:26 GMT+01:00 Tod Fitch : > Jack London Square in Oakland is a famous example: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki3QCZhacHY > the German version is a freight tram ;-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSng00n6hwQ Cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] railway=rail vs. railway=subway

2016-11-23 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Nov 23, 2016, at 7:45 AM, Michael Tsang wrote: > > I should clarify that the level crossing of light rails should be not > actively > protected, i.e. do not have fences which come down before the train passes. > One of the major criteria between tram / light rail and

Re: [Tagging] railway=rail vs. railway=subway

2016-11-23 Thread Michael Tsang
> I don't follow this. light rail is about the cars being lighter and > perhaps the rails being built to a lower weight limit, and it isn't > about grade crossings. Around me there is real rail with fll-sized > enginers and is fully freight capable that has level crossings. > Definteliy not

Re: [Tagging] railway=rail vs. railway=subway

2016-11-23 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/23/16 9:09 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: > > One of the tricky things, as Bill Ricker points out downthread, is > Boston's Green line. This is fundamentally light rail. Sometimes it > runs in tunnels. Sometimes it runs in a fenced-off median but does > have level crossings. These are controlled by

Re: [Tagging] railway=rail vs. railway=subway

2016-11-23 Thread Greg Troxel
Bill Ricker writes: > On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 10:08 PM, Michael Tsang wrote: > >> > Oh really. Boston MBTA green line is a subway line that extends onto >> > surface streets. Not full rail gauge iirc (though other lines are) and >> > neither surface or

Re: [Tagging] railway=rail vs. railway=subway

2016-11-23 Thread Greg Troxel
Michael Tsang writes: > - Railway with long distance and commuter trains: railway=rail ok > - Railway with metro services only: railway=subway +0 > - Railway with street intersection: railway=light_rail I don't follow this. light rail is about the cars being lighter and

Re: [Tagging] railway=rail vs. railway=subway

2016-11-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-11-23 1:10 GMT+01:00 Bill Ricker : > > railway=subway are usually encapsulated systems which may have a > > connecting track if new vehicles are delivered and both systems have the > > same gauge. railway=subway systems don't have level crossings. > > Oh really. Boston

Re: [Tagging] railway=rail vs. railway=subway

2016-11-23 Thread jc86035
Assuming that the currently under-construction extensions to the lines (the Sha Tin to Central Link) also have a similar loading gauge, should they (East and West Rail Lines, Ma On Shan Line and Sha Tin to Central Link) then all be tagged railway=rail? For what it's worth, Centamap (non-free map

Re: [Tagging] railway=rail vs. railway=subway

2016-11-22 Thread Bill Ricker
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 10:08 PM, Michael Tsang wrote: > > Oh really. Boston MBTA green line is a subway line that extends onto > > surface streets. Not full rail gauge iirc (though other lines are) and > > neither surface or tunnel curves could handle freight cars. The

Re: [Tagging] railway=rail vs. railway=subway

2016-11-22 Thread Michael Tsang
On Tuesday 22 November 2016 19:10:39 Bill Ricker wrote: > > Oh really. Boston MBTA green line is a subway line that extends onto > surface streets. Not full rail gauge iirc (though other lines are) and > neither surface or tunnel curves could handle freight cars. The surface > trolley portions

Re: [Tagging] railway=rail vs. railway=subway

2016-11-22 Thread Bill Ricker
> . But if the tracks can > only be used by metro trains, they should be tagged railway=subway. > > Metro tunnels are usually more narrow than tunnels for full sized > passenger trains because building wide tunnels is more expensive. > railway=subway are usually encapsulated systems which may

Re: [Tagging] railway=rail vs. railway=subway

2016-11-22 Thread Michael Reichert
Hi, railway=* should depend on the infrastructure only. The services which use the track, don't matter. Am 22.11.2016 um 15:41 schrieb Michael Tsang: > On Tuesday 22 November 2016 11:28:00 jc86035 wrote: >> Should a commuter rail system with rapid transit frequency but main >> line-standard

Re: [Tagging] railway=rail vs. railway=subway

2016-11-22 Thread Michael Tsang
On Tuesday 22 November 2016 11:28:00 jc86035 wrote: > Should a commuter rail system with rapid transit frequency but main > line-standard tracks be tagged as railway=subway or railway=rail? > > In Hong Kong, the MTR metro system has an "urban" set of DC 1432mm-gauge > lines, and another set of AC

Re: [Tagging] railway=rail vs. railway=subway

2016-11-22 Thread Greg Troxel
jc86035 writes: > Should a commuter rail system with rapid transit frequency but main > line-standard tracks be tagged as railway=subway or railway=rail? =rail. What you describe is a real train that has an old-fashioned timetable. > In Hong Kong, the MTR metro

[Tagging] railway=rail vs. railway=subway

2016-11-22 Thread jc86035
Should a commuter rail system with rapid transit frequency but main line-standard tracks be tagged as railway=subway or railway=rail? In Hong Kong, the MTR metro system has an "urban" set of DC 1432mm-gauge lines, and another set of AC standard gauge lines (East Rail Line, West Rail Line and Ma