Re: [Tagging] self-service laudry machines a camp and caravan sites

On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Wolfgang Zenker wrote: > * John Willis [170219 09:53]: > > If someone was looking to wash a giant bedspread or duvet, knowing there > is only one laundromat in town with a giant machine would be very useful. > > Then we

Re: [Tagging] self-service laudry machines a camp and caravan sites

* John Willis [170219 09:53]: >> On Feb 19, 2017, at 8:01 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote: >> +1 >> Regardless of the "intent" of OSM, this level of tagging does seem excessive >> IMO. I've been following the thread and am amazed that this much attention >> can

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sent from a phone > On 19 Feb 2017, at 09:53, John Willis wrote: > > Comparing it to food menu items at a restaurant is wrong. +1, machines get changed less frequently than menu items, or at least require more effort. cheers, Martin

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> On Feb 19, 2017, at 8:01 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > +1 > Regardless of the "intent" of OSM, this level of tagging does seem excessive > IMO. I've been following the thread and am amazed that this much attention > can be focused on developing tagging for washing

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I'm not so sure that tagging minutiae like this is appropriate for OSM, which is really a geo-database and not a business/services directory. This is like tagging Italian restaurants with something like the following (which I hope nobody thinks is a good idea): +1 Regardless of the "intent" of

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On 19-Feb-17 03:11 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: I'm not so sure that tagging minutiae like this is appropriate for OSM, which is really a geo-database and not a business/services directory. This is like tagging Italian restaurants with something like the following (which I hope nobody

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> > Laundromat:foobar=n scheme. > > Laundromat:10kg_dryer=8 > Laundromat:20kg_dryer=2 > Laundromat:10kg_sidewasher=3 > Laundromat:20kg_sidewasher=1 > Laundromat:shoe_washer=1 > Laundromat:shoe_dryer=1 > I'm not so sure that tagging minutiae like this is appropriate for OSM, which is really a

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> On Feb 18, 2017, at 11:25 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > In any case, since I have laundry equipment at home, what I'm usually > searching for is "laundromat with a large-capacity front-loading machine" - > since that's what I'll need for a sleeping bag or a

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On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:53 AM, John Willis wrote: > > On Feb 17, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > > > > I guess the preferred unit will depend on the country where you are > mapping. > > I would prefer drum volume (as it is actually measureable), but

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On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:10 AM, John Willis wrote: > Mapping the drum volume is best, then KG/lbs, then "loads". We can fuzzily > convert between them - at least as well as the people in the industry ca AFAIK, in Belgium the drum volume is never mentioned, only the kilograms. I

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Javbw > On Feb 16, 2017, at 10:51 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > ems when it comes to laundry in the US, there's not really a set "load" size, > even though every machine ever at a commercial laundry shows capacities in > "loads." The issue is that though the drum

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On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Mark Wagner wrote: > On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 10:28:17 +0900 > John Willis wrote: > > > Javbw > > > > Side note: > > > > I imagine laundromats could have a whole > > > > Laundromat:foobar=n scheme. > > > >

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On 14-Feb-17 01:44 PM, John Willis wrote: Javbw On Feb 14, 2017, at 5:43 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: Mappers can enter miles instead of kilometres .. so they too should be able to enter the units they have into the capacity of the laundry machine. Yea, because it is well known

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On 14-Feb-17 01:33 PM, John Willis wrote: On Feb 13, 2017, at 6:02 PM, Tristan Anderson wrote: I thought a load of laundry was the amount that could fit into a washing machine at one time. Therefore, every washing machine that has ever been manufactured in

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Javbw > On Feb 14, 2017, at 5:43 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Mappers can enter miles instead of kilometres .. so they too should be able > to enter the units they have into the capacity of the laundry machine. Yea, because it is well known that they correlate, like C and F.

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> On Feb 13, 2017, at 7:50 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > I don't think that mapping the capacity of washing machines in campsite > laundry facilities is data that is useful in OSM. Neither do I, it was an an aside about laundromats in general. That is why the extended

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> On Feb 13, 2017, at 6:02 PM, Tristan Anderson > wrote: > > I thought a load of laundry was the amount that could fit into a washing > machine at one time. Therefore, every washing machine that has ever been > manufactured in the history of the world and

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On 14-Feb-17 01:30 AM, John Willis wrote: Javbw On Feb 13, 2017, at 3:10 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com > wrote: laundry:top_loading:1_load=20 (if 'load' can be found as a size .. somewhere?) laundry:top_loading:5_cu_ft=20 laundry:top_loading:6_lbs=20

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On 13-Feb-17 10:29 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2017-02-13 11:50 GMT+01:00 Volker Schmidt >: I don't think that mapping the capacity of washing machines in campsite laundry facilities is data that is useful in OSM. It's difficult to

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Javbw > On Feb 13, 2017, at 3:10 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > laundry:top_loading:1_load=20 (if 'load' can be found as a size .. somewhere?) > > laundry:top_loading:5_cu_ft=20 > laundry:top_loading:6_lbs=20 > > laundry:top_loading:20_kg=20 > > laundry:front_loading:15_kg=8 >

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2017-02-13 11:50 GMT+01:00 Volker Schmidt : > I don't think that mapping the capacity of washing machines in campsite > laundry facilities is data that is useful in OSM. It's difficult to > establish in the first place and the data is very perishable. The machines > have a very

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raight answer. >> >> >> I see LG makes a "two-load" machine that can do two loads at once in >> separate compartments (such as whites/colours) but that doesn't seem to be >> what's referred to here. >> ---------- >> *From:* Warin <

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> *From:* Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* February 13, 2017 1:10 AM > *To:* tagging@openstreetmap.org > *Subject:* Re: [Tagging] self-service laudry machines a camp and caravan > sites > > On 13-Feb-17 03:42 PM, John Willis wrote

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ng] self-service laudry machines a camp and caravan sites On 13-Feb-17 03:42 PM, John Willis wrote: > > Javbw > >> On Feb 13, 2017, at 5:38 AM, Mark Wagner <mark+...@carnildo.com> wrote: >> >> >> That wouldn't work too well in the US. Here, capacities are

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On 13-Feb-17 03:42 PM, John Willis wrote: Javbw On Feb 13, 2017, at 5:38 AM, Mark Wagner wrote: That wouldn't work too well in the US. Here, capacities are typically measured in notional "loads": the average laundromat would have a large number of "single-load"

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Javbw > On Feb 13, 2017, at 5:38 AM, Mark Wagner wrote: > > > That wouldn't work too well in the US. Here, capacities are > typically measured in notional "loads": the average laundromat would > have a large number of "single-load" machines, a few "double-load" or >

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On 13-Feb-17 07:38 AM, Mark Wagner wrote: On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 10:28:17 +0900 John Willis wrote: Javbw Side note: I imagine laundromats could have a whole Laundromat:foobar=n scheme. Laundromat:10kg_dryer=8 Laundromat:20kg_dryer=2 Laundromat:10kg_sidewasher=3

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@carnildo.com> Sent: February 12, 2017 3:38 PM To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] self-service laudry machines a camp and caravan sites On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 10:28:17 +0900 John Willis <jo...@mac.com> wrote: > Javbw > > Side note: > > I i

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On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 10:28:17 +0900 John Willis wrote: > Javbw > > Side note: > > I imagine laundromats could have a whole > > Laundromat:foobar=n scheme. > > Laundromat:10kg_dryer=8 > Laundromat:20kg_dryer=2 > Laundromat:10kg_sidewasher=3 > Laundromat:20kg_sidewasher=1 >

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sent from a phone > On 11 Feb 2017, at 17:10, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > For the convenience store on a camp site I would happily use the shop key > whereas for the laundry facilities I would prefer something like > washing_machine=yes|NUMBER > dryer =yes|NUMBER > In

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Javbw > On Feb 12, 2017, at 8:30 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > I think a subtag for dryers is appropriate and could be useful. I agree! The extended campground proposal has a separate tag for both. Side note: I imagine laundromats could have a whole

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@John, An observation: It's a funny thing but since I began traveling a number of years ago, I noticed that while dryers are quite common in the U.S., they are less common in the rest of the world, especially in poorer countries. A very few laundry shops here in Thailand have dryers, most do not.

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Here in the USA, I have never seen a self-service laundry that did not have dryers, but I don't know whether that is true worldwide. I suppose it is best to err on the side of caution and include a subtag for the presence of dryers. On February 11, 2017 8:18:27 AM Martin Koppenhoefer

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I think the individual tags in the extended camping proposal covers this. If there is a coin-op machine or two for campers to use, then tag the amenity on the campground's node/polygon - the suggested washing_machine=yes dryer=yes tags. If there is some other scheme for mapping the machines

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On 12-Feb-17 03:10 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote: I would like to get this discussion back to my original question. I used about 30 camp or caravan sites in the USA and most of them had self-service coin-operated washers and dryers. These are services like toilets and convenience stores for their

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I would like to get this discussion back to my original question. I used about 30 camp or caravan sites in the USA and most of them had self-service coin-operated washers and dryers. These are services like toilets and convenience stores for their customers. You also find these in most US motels.

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On Sat, 2017-02-11 at 16:28 +0700, Dave Swarthout wrote: > On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Scattered around the UK in towns such as Saffron Walden are > > 'launderets' (this one is not in OSM, and I hesitate to put it > > in as > > my memory of the

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sent from a phone > On 11 Feb 2017, at 10:28, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > shop=laundry > automated=yes > self_service=yes > > covers it nicely. In the U.S., we use the term laundromat and I would much > prefer to use that scheme but the established tag is

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On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Scattered around the UK in towns such as Saffron Walden are 'launderets' > (this one is not in OSM, and I hesitate to put it in as my memory of the > location is not good, though Google looks to the correct) .. self service

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Agreed. I think shop=laundry is the correct tag. If available only to campers, use an access tag. Add other tags as appropriate for automated, attended, etc. On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 3:28 AM, Volker Schmidt

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On 11-Feb-17 07:48 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 3:28 AM, Volker Schmidt > wrote: I see on the wiki page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_site

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On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 3:28 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > I see on the wiki page > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_site > the option > shop=laundry > > This does not seem to be appropriate to map caravan sites that offer > self-service coin-operated washing

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2017-02-09 23:36 GMT+01:00 David Bannon : > I would think shop=laundry means there is some sort of service provided > at the campsite that involves someone else actually doing your laundry for > you for a fee. the wiki says it is used for both typologies:

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I would think shop=laundry means there is some sort of service provided at the campsite that involves someone else actually doing your laundry for you for a fee. As you say, thats not the same thing as having machines available at a camp for you to do your laundry. I would prefer something

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On 09-Feb-17 01:41 PM, John Willis wrote: Javbw On Feb 8, 2017, at 6:50 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: The link you might be looking for is http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extend_camp_site +1 You can't drive into a camp site and start using facilities for

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Javbw > On Feb 8, 2017, at 6:50 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > The link you might be looking for is > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extend_camp_site +1 You can't drive into a camp site and start using facilities for campers as a random visitor. It

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I've used some of these in that situation: shop=laundry automated=yes payment:cash=yes access=customers self_service=yes laundry_service=no (if no attendant present - you must do-it-yourself) On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 3:30 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a

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sent from a phone > On 8 Feb 2017, at 10:37, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > > If it's a small washateria within a campsite, then I'd think that would > be an appropriate tag for that area, much the same as you might tag > shop=gift or perhaps shop=convenience for an area of a

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On 08-Feb-17 08:37 PM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: On 02/08/2017 03:28 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote: I see on the wiki page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_site the option shop=laundry This does not seem to be appropriate to map caravan sites that offer self-service coin-operated

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On 02/08/2017 03:28 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > I see on the wiki page > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_site > the option > shop=laundry > > This does not seem to be appropriate to map caravan sites that offer > self-service coin-operated washing machines or dryers (and it

[Tagging] self-service laudry machines a camp and caravan sites

I see on the wiki page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_site the option shop=laundry This does not seem to be appropriate to map caravan sites that offer self-service coin-operated washing machines or dryers (and it seems not to be in use anyway). Is there a common scheme