[Tagging] semantic issue with genus in the wiki, wetland, plant nursery, ...
I believe there are some semantic issues with how the wiki currently suggests to tag details of plants, e.g. with the tags genus or species. This originates from tree tagging (AFAIK), where the suggested tagging is: natural=tree genus=... species=... taxon=... etc. NO ISSUES in this, works as expected, we add the genus (will use this as example for reference in this mail, but species, taxon, etc. behave the same) of the plant (tree in this example) as a tag. Now to plant nurseries, according to the wiki the suggested tagging is (they do not have their own tag but rely on the landuse attribute, but that is another topic I will not deal with here): landuse=plant_nursery plant=* The generic type of plant that is grown, e.g. tree, herb, bush, grass, vine, fern, moss, green-algae genus=* species=* ... wait, this is strange, the same tag genus now does not refer to the object it is attached to (an implicit plant_nursery) but refers to the plants that are grown. Similarly, on the genus key page, there are references to natural=wetland etc. I think this is an inconsistency in tagging and would be interested to hear if you believe the recommendation should be changed. E.g. we could have a plant:genus to explicitly state that the genus refers to the plants rather than the nursery. Cheers, Martin ___ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dplant_nursery http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:genus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] semantic issue with genus in the wiki, wetland, plant nursery, ...
I'm interested in this topic in order to be able to map flowerbeds in a rose garden. Besides the problem with the genus/species/taxon tagging, I also need to be able to properly tag the flowerbeds themselves. There seems to be quite some variants for that as well. So I hope the outcome of this discussion is also applicable to flowerbeds. regards m On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I believe there are some semantic issues with how the wiki currently suggests to tag details of plants, e.g. with the tags genus or species. This originates from tree tagging (AFAIK), where the suggested tagging is: natural=tree genus=... species=... taxon=... etc. NO ISSUES in this, works as expected, we add the genus (will use this as example for reference in this mail, but species, taxon, etc. behave the same) of the plant (tree in this example) as a tag. Now to plant nurseries, according to the wiki the suggested tagging is (they do not have their own tag but rely on the landuse attribute, but that is another topic I will not deal with here): landuse=plant_nursery plant=* The generic type of plant that is grown, e.g. tree, herb, bush, grass, vine, fern, moss, green-algae genus=* species=* ... wait, this is strange, the same tag genus now does not refer to the object it is attached to (an implicit plant_nursery) but refers to the plants that are grown. Similarly, on the genus key page, there are references to natural=wetland etc. I think this is an inconsistency in tagging and would be interested to hear if you believe the recommendation should be changed. E.g. we could have a plant:genus to explicitly state that the genus refers to the plants rather than the nursery. Cheers, Martin ___ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dplant_nursery http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:genus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] semantic issue with genus in the wiki, wetland, plant nursery, ...
I think this is an inconsistency in tagging and would be interested to hear if you believe the recommendation should be changed. E.g. we could have a plant:genus to explicitly state that the genus refers to the plants rather than the nursery. I agree about the inconsistency. In general I prefer the hierarchical approach (so with plant:genus), rather than numerous top-level tags. Cheers, Kotya ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] semantic issue with genus in the wiki, wetland, plant nursery, ...
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote on 01.12.2014 11:22: I believe there are some semantic issues with how the wiki currently suggests to tag details of plants, e.g. with the tags genus or species. Now to plant nurseries, according to the wiki the suggested tagging is (they do not have their own tag but rely on the landuse attribute, but that is another topic I will not deal with here): landuse=plant_nursery plant=* The generic type of plant that is grown, e.g. tree, herb, bush, grass, vine, fern, moss, green-algae genus=* species=* ... wait, this is strange, the same tag genus now does not refer to the object it is attached to (an implicit plant_nursery) but refers to the plants that are grown. Similarly, on the genus key page, there are references to natural=wetland etc. I think this is an inconsistency in tagging and would be interested to hear if you believe the recommendation should be changed. E.g. we could have a plant:genus to explicitly state that the genus refers to the plants rather than the nursery. genus and species is defined as a name for an organism, not only plants. I added the species to animals in a zoo: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/286321033 So for producing landuse like plant_nursery a prefix named product: seems nicer. A landuse=vineyard could default to product:vitis. Oh, on this wikipage i found the crop key for producing landuses... Really a mess. -- greetings Holger ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] semantic issue with genus in the wiki, wetland, plant nursery, ...
2014-12-01 14:25 GMT+01:00 Holger Jeromin mailgm...@katur.de: genus and species is defined as a name for an organism, not only plants. I added the species to animals in a zoo: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/286321033 So for producing landuse like plant_nursery a prefix named product: seems nicer. On Dec 1, 2014 4:09 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't product refering to an object? Might be suitable for plants, but for animals I'm not sure it is a nice tag. product was not used on animal. It was instead proposed for producing landuse like plant_nursery. In a zoo/park/botanical garden there is different possible prefix/suffix: - animal: or plant: ... - a very general organism: - but not product/produce so produce:genus might be a better option than the aforementioned plant:genus. plant: 896 produce: 8 493 product: 677 crop: 73 337 (but not all are about produce, there are also 9K yes, 6K field_cropland etc.) trees: 33 608 (often not applicable for plant nurseries) If produce:genus can replace and unite produce/crop/trees for producing landuse like plant_nursery/farmland/orchard without any loss in meaning I think it is a worthwhile proposal. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] semantic issue with genus in the wiki, wetland, plant nursery, ...
2014-12-01 16:59 GMT+01:00 althio forum althio.fo...@gmail.com: If produce:genus can replace and unite produce/crop/trees for producing landuse like plant_nursery/farmland/orchard without any loss in meaning I think it is a worthwhile proposal. no, it can't, because genus is expected to be in Latin, and we shouldn't expect our users to use scientifical taxons in Latin language by default --- although they may enter them if they know them. For farmland I think crop is fine, for orchards trees makes linguistic sense and produce as well (both together, have a look at the wiki, orchard, to understand the idea behind). cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
