Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique / subtags

2017-09-03 Thread Thilo Haug
shop=car, car_repair, car_parts is a good example, if you compare it with http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmotorcycle see taginfo for combinations : https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/motorcycle%3Arepair#combinations You're more flexible to tag shops that offer different services

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique

2017-09-02 Thread José G Moya Y .
Phil said: >> Supermarkets for example will have a fresh meat >> counter, fresh fish counter which is important stuff >>when you are camping. Oh, really? Then I have to retag everyting. Here in Spain we call "supermarket" a medium-sized self-service store, while we call "convenience store" a

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique

2017-09-02 Thread Rafael Avila Coya
No. It means boutique could be moved to: shop=clothes clothes=boutique In fact, the key clothes=* has clothes=fashion already, so we can add clothes=boutique too. Cheers, Rafael. El 2 de septiembre de 2017 12:10:19 CEST, Marc Gemis escribió: >Please read e.g. >

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique

2017-09-02 Thread Marc Gemis
So if price and quality are no criteria for different tag, why do we have deli and convenience store? Or is that difference bigger? Or fast food and restaurant? The difference is only quality, price and perhaps service. But even that is not always the case. If we drop boutique as a tag for

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique

2017-09-02 Thread Marc Gemis
Please read e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clothes_shop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boutique Does your reply mean we can remove the word boutique from the English dictionary ? On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 12:55 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 02-Sep-17 04:31 AM, Marc Gemis wrote:

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique

2017-09-01 Thread Warin
On 02-Sep-17 04:31 AM, Marc Gemis wrote: Is ignoring what the community did so far, a guideline ? People have used the tag boutique. So why cannot we take this practice and use that as the guideline ? Why change the currently used tags, causing a cost of all involved parties ? This is a

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique

2017-09-01 Thread Warin
On 02-Sep-17 06:33 AM, Philip Barnes wrote: On 1 September 2017 19:35:01 BST, Marc Gemis wrote: Do you find the difference between supermarket and convenience store helpful ? Or do you just search (as in OsmAnd) for places that sell food ? So why bother to have 2 tags

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique

2017-09-01 Thread Philip Barnes
On 1 September 2017 19:58:10 BST, Marc Gemis wrote: >On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 8:25 PM, Andrew Hain > wrote: >> Let’s put it this way: how many people who use the map database, >whether >> working from planets, editing where these tags could

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique

2017-09-01 Thread Philip Barnes
On 1 September 2017 19:35:01 BST, Marc Gemis wrote: > >Do you find the difference between supermarket and convenience store >helpful ? Or do you just search (as in OsmAnd) for places that sell >food ? So why bother to have 2 tags for those kind of shops ? > Actually that

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique

2017-09-01 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 8:25 PM, Andrew Hain wrote: > Let’s put it this way: how many people who use the map database, whether > working from planets, editing where these tags could already have been used, > searching for objects by tags or any other way, find the tags

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique

2017-09-01 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 8:25 PM, Andrew Hain wrote: > Let’s put it this way: how many people who use the map database, whether > working from planets, editing where these tags could already have been used, > searching for objects by tags or any other way, find the tags

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique

2017-09-01 Thread Marc Gemis
Is ignoring what the community did so far, a guideline ? People have used the tag boutique. So why cannot we take this practice and use that as the guideline ? Why change the currently used tags, causing a cost of all involved parties ? But forget about that for a moment. What are the

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique

2017-09-01 Thread Andrew Hain
From: Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com> Sent: 01 September 2017 12:27:38 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique because other mappers thought it was needed to distinguish the two ? Who are we (the people

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique

2017-09-01 Thread Dave F
On 31/08/2017 17:40, Daniel Koć wrote: It's the same word, just nested, so it doesn't help, because we still don't know what it really means. =} But we do know basically what it means. Putting it on a subtag allows renderers to ignore the minutiae and foibles of the fashion industry & tag

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique

2017-09-01 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 01.09.2017 o 17:51, Marc Gemis pisze: So no, this group is not really representative for the community as a whole. But what is representative? And what about standardization? I would be happy if we find a way to communicate things with wider community, but this is what we have now.

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique

2017-09-01 Thread Marc Gemis
> The community is also this list. > I don't believe that. This list certainly lacks diversity. Most participants here can discuss fluently in English, most are male (if not all). So a huge group is missing. I've met several people that do not want to participate in this mailing list as they do

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique

2017-09-01 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 01.09.2017 o 13:27, Marc Gemis pisze: because other mappers thought it was needed to distinguish the two ? But what if "distinguishing" is just an illusion? We had about 700k+ uses of landuse=farm, but now it's deprecated (with about 45k uses), because it was not clear. Who are we

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique

2017-09-01 Thread Marc Gemis
because other mappers thought it was needed to distinguish the two ? Who are we (the people using this mailing list) to decide that other mappers cannot tag a shop=boutique if it is already used 11.000 times ? So if you want to tag that shop as shop=clothes with subtags fine, do it. Document it,

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique

2017-09-01 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
I still don't understand the need for anything other than shop=clothes used with assorted modifiers. Fashion is subjective and I do not see why exclusive distribution channels should be tagged differently as they are essentially clothes shop with no price tags and an attitude. shop=car covers

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique

2017-09-01 Thread Marc Gemis
As for all the things I listed, the word "typical" was important, it would certainly not require them all. Maybe some were not well chosen. The idea was that is you see a shop that has a number of those features, it is more likely to be a boutique As for the linked with fashion houses, Isn't it

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique

2017-09-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-09-01 7:58 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis : > Let's try to find some characteristics for boutique > > typically > > * has "boutique" somewhere on the window or logo (as Dave F wrote) > wouldn't require this > * smaller than shops from chains (limited collections) > not

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique

2017-09-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-08-31 15:30 GMT+02:00 Daniel Koć : > Important questions to decide: > >> - Can a boutique sell second hand items - or just the new ones? >> > IMHO they wouldn't typically sell second hand items, on the other hand, second hand is a property in OSM and can be added to

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique

2017-09-01 Thread Marc Gemis
Let's try to find some characteristics for boutique typically * has "boutique" somewhere on the window or logo (as Dave F wrote) * smaller than shops from chains (limited collections) * not part of a chain * only for women * sells only certain "expensive" brands * no denim nor sports * side-line

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique

2017-08-31 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 31.08.2017 o 18:09, Dave F pisze: shop=boutique. Shops in my locale who describe themselves as 'boutiques' ("for the discerning and stylish woman.") are primarily based around clothing, but often have a side-lines of other products, such as jewellery, handbags, beauty products & even

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique

2017-08-31 Thread Dave F
My 2 cents shop=fashion is subjective & wide ranging. Remember when some considered the shell suit the thing to be seen in? it needs deprecating. shop=boutique. Shops in my locale who describe themselves as 'boutiques' ("for the discerning and stylish woman.") are primarily based around

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique

2017-08-31 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 31.08.2017 o 14:44, Daniel Koć pisze: "small shopping outlet, especially one that specializes in elite and fashionable items like clothing and accessories." Important questions to decide: - Can a boutique sell second hand items - or just the new ones? - What about "hand made" - is it

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique

2017-08-31 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 31.08.2017 o 14:07, marc marc pisze: for shop=boutique, I think you are wrong. A shop=boutique (except from the translation+wiki being corrected) is something totally different from a shop=clothes. You can define the additional tags needed to have a shop=boutique (handmade, high range),

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique

2017-08-31 Thread Marc Gemis
> > > My feeling is that my wallet will know the difference > > between shop clothes and boutique. > > Shop boutique relates to shop clothes like restaurant > > relates to fast food > I agree with that for shop=boutique > > but can your wallet, your wife or a fashion addict explain > a

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique

2017-08-31 Thread marc marc
Le 30. 08. 17 à 19:19, Daniel Koć a écrit : > deprecate shop=fashion I agree that shop=fashion is a "no meaning" tag > shop=boutique as part of making things clear in this field. for shop=boutique, I think you are wrong. A shop=boutique (except from the translation+wiki being corrected) is