Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

2010-08-09 Thread Simon Biber
Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: The way I've been handling this is to stretch the limits of the bicycle=destination tag; if it's more major than residential, open to bicycles, but lacks shoulders and has narrow lanes or on-street parking, then I tag it bicycle=destination (unless

Re: [Tagging] Living streets in the United States

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 19:40:55 -0700, Alan Millar wrote: On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 11:20 -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: After having come across a few ways tagged highway=living_street in Troutdale, Oregon; I have to wonder what exactly would qualify such a street as a living street given that we have

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:58:12 +0100, Richard Mann wrote: The traditional layer=0 / layer=1+bridge=yes / layer=0 tagging is unaltered (the renderer sees the bridge=yes and suppresses end caps). The main place you end up changing the tags is for grade-separated junctions, for example: Don't tag

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:43:38 +1000, Steve Bennett wrote: On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 3:19 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: In Australia the ambulance service is a completely different organisation to fire and police and I can almost bet some would be tagged amenity=ambulance or

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:27:49 -0700, Simon Biber wrote: From: John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com Did I miss anything currently being mentioned in this or the fire hydrant thread? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Emergency I note you've changed ambulance stations and

Re: [Tagging] Road closed in wet weather

2010-08-09 Thread John Smith
On 9 August 2010 05:55, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: That tag seems rather awkward, but it does bring up a good point about The rest of your email described seasonal conditions that are the same year in and year out, but for most of Australia there isn't seasonal conditions in the

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, 04 Aug 2010 21:29:59 +0100, Richard Mann wrote: You can drive on some cycle lanes [citation needed] ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:56:53 +0200, fly wrote: Am 29.07.2010 14:38, schrieb Daniel Tremblay: My need is to give cyclists more info when preparing their rides on road that are not cycleway (nor NCN, RCN, LCN). I saw the tag rtc_rate but not find it very intuitive. We need this kind of tags

Re: [Tagging] Tagging U-Turns (Was: [OSM-talk] Divided/Non-Divided Intersection)

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 17:18:23 -0700, Alan Mintz wrote: Tag where it's signed, which is generally the exception to the default. In places where the law is no-U-turn by default, I would expect to see U-turn OK signs where they are allowed. In places where the law is that U-turns are allowed by

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 17:59:43 +0200, Colin Smale wrote: On 02/08/2010 17:28, Anthony wrote: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Anthonyo...@inbox.org wrote: If I wanted the list of colors to be controlled and finite I'd use a check constraint. By the way, if I were going to use a separate

Re: [Tagging] Builders' Merchants - Timber Merchant

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 19:57:40 +1000, John Smith wrote: On 31 July 2010 19:46, ael law_ence@ntlworld.com wrote: I have expanded it a bit to help motivate trade for those who haven't seen this thread. Surely wood is redundant given timber_yard? There are specialty places that sell

Re: [Tagging] Builders' Merchants - Timber Merchant

2010-08-09 Thread John Smith
On 9 August 2010 04:36, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Right, but what are we calling them? The Phillips gas stations (76 and shop=trade trade=wood ? Phillips 66 in particular) generally regard themselves as being upscale and generally nicer than, say, BP's ARCO. That doesn't stop

Re: [Tagging] Living streets in the United States

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 11:33:27 +0300, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: Maybe US law just hopes that driver would be very reasonable and won't charge at 60 in a backyard :) Clearly you have never encountered someone who is guilty of driving while Californian...

Re: [Tagging] tagging bus stops served by more than one public transportation agency

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
Why not tag the bus stop generically, and make it a member of route relations for the routes that serve the stop? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Living streets in the United States

2010-08-09 Thread Pieren
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: From the wiki it looks like something smaller or more restricted than a regular residential street, but bigger than a driveway. It's not smaller, physically it's a residential street that is transformed to a living

Re: [Tagging] Road closed in wet weather

2010-08-09 Thread fly
Am 09.08.2010 09:52, schrieb John Smith: On 9 August 2010 05:55, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: That tag seems rather awkward, but it does bring up a good point about The rest of your email described seasonal conditions that are the same year in and year out, but for most of

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-08-09 Thread Colin Smale
On 08/08/2010 20:39, Paul Johnson wrote: Let this side of the Atlantic win at least one tagging war, please...after all, we call them freeways and expressways, not motorways and trunks; guess who won that one? Surely the whole point is that there shouldn't be these tagging wars. There is (I

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:50:02 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:13 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Shoulders are actually more important to pedestrians than cyclists. A good cyclist won't care

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

2010-08-09 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 04:26:42 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Bike lanes aren't exclusive either - cars move into them to turn right (in right-hand-drive countries) and cross them at intersections or to reach parallel

Re: [Tagging] Builders' Merchants - Timber Merchant

2010-08-09 Thread ael
On Sun, Aug 08, 2010 at 11:36:52AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: I have expanded it a bit to help motivate trade for those who haven't seen this thread. Surely wood is redundant given timber_yard? There are specialty places that sell upmarket timber/wood but wouldn't call themselves a

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-08-09 Thread Liz
On Mon, 9 Aug 2010, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:20:33 +0100, Richard Mann wrote: Most of these call themselves vineyards http://www.englishwineproducers.com/scvineyard.htm Do they actually have a vineyard on site? At least locally (US:OR), a winery can't call itself a

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

2010-08-09 Thread Liz
On Mon, 9 Aug 2010, Paul Johnson wrote: Why would this matter? I don't know Are there actually places where it's legal to operate off the hard surface when the road is paved? Yes 25 years ago in outback Queensland the tightfisted government of the gerrymander king, Joh Bjelke-Peteresen,

Re: [Tagging] Living streets in the United States

2010-08-09 Thread Liz
On Mon, 9 Aug 2010, Pieren wrote: From the wiki it looks like something smaller or more restricted than a regular residential street, but bigger than a driveway. It's not smaller, physically it's a residential street that is transformed to a living street. The difference is the very low

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

2010-08-09 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: The way I've been handling this is to stretch the limits of the bicycle=destination tag; if it's more major than residential, open to bicycles, but lacks shoulders and has narrow lanes or on-street parking, then I tag it

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

2010-08-09 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: The way I've been handling this is to stretch the limits of the bicycle=destination tag; if it's more major than residential, open to bicycles, but lacks

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

2010-08-09 Thread Dave F.
On 08/08/2010 20:40, Paul Johnson wrote: On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:38:10 -0400, Daniel Tremblay wrote: My need is to give cyclists more info when preparing their rides on road that are not cycleway (nor NCN, RCN, LCN). I saw the tag rtc_rate but not find it very intuitive. The way I've been

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-08-09 Thread Emilie Laffray
On 8 August 2010 20:02, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Coming up with tagging schemes for stuff like this hard, because of the different ways different countries group stuff. I was recently in an ambulance in France, and chatting with the people inside I was surprised to learn

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Helmet cameras for mapping?

2010-08-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On 3/08/2010 10:50 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: Do these cameras store orientation data? No, it's just a camera. My GPS does, though, so theoretically I could stick my GPS on my helmet as well. Would be heavy, though. Steve ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-08-09 Thread Liz
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010, Steve Bennett wrote: Wish there was an agriculture=* tag. Life could be simple: well living in an agricultural area I'd start with agriculture= rice wheat hops barley canola (modified rape seed CAnadaOiLa) grapes (subtypes table/wine or variety) citrus (subtypes needed)

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-08-09 Thread John Smith
On 10 August 2010 11:30, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: not sure it's wise to try and tag for crop types. many farms do rotate their crops, after all. not the same from year to year, and all that. In the area I grew up in they rotated twice a year in some cases...

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-08-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:32 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 August 2010 11:30, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: not sure it's wise to try and tag for crop types. many farms do rotate their crops, after all. not the same from year to year, and all that. In