Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-13 Thread Erik Johansson
Are you proposing tagging all ways with a parallel cycleway with bicycle=use_cycleway? Sounds like it's made for mechanical edit abuse. But if you are saying that there are roads marked with bicycle=no which really do not have such a sign, then that's different. On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 7:16 PM,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-13 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
On 12 November 2013 18:16, Pee Wee piewi...@gmail.com wrote: Together with user Masimaster I've made a proposal for a new tag to improve bicycle routing. I think (and hope) the wiki is clear enough but I’ll say a few words about this new tag. The tag is introduced to separate 2 kinds of roads

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/11/13 Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com Are you proposing tagging all ways with a parallel cycleway with bicycle=use_cycleway? Sounds like it's made for mechanical edit abuse. yes, that probably should be done, because there are no other established ways of doing it, beside the wrong

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-13 Thread Colin Smale
There are very many roads (in NL at least) marked with bicycle=no with no explicit sign. It is implicit in the fact that a parallel cycle track is marked as compulsory (blue round sign). IMHO the definition of this sign (in law) is totally screwed. It is also used for cycle tracks which are

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/11/13 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl The law in NL says that cycles wider than 75cm are not bound by the obligation to follow the mandatory cycle track and are allowed on the main carriageway; this includes trikes and some trailers (e.g. for carrying windsurfers). So why not tag the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-13 Thread Philip Barnes
In the UK there is no obligation to use a parallel cycleway, in fact I know if roads with both parallel cycleways and cyclelanes. Cycleways tend to force the cyclist to give way at ever road junction, whereas a cyclist using the road has right of way, and this is obviously preferred by many

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-13 Thread Pee Wee
Thanks all for your comments. I understand most of the comments made here. Most of them were discussed on the German forumhttp://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=21938(in English) and the Dutch forum http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=22151(in Dutch). I should have directed

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-13 Thread Masi Master
Am 13.11.2013, 10:28 Uhr, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2013/11/13 Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com Are you proposing tagging all ways with a parallel cycleway with bicycle=use_cycleway? Sounds like it's made for mechanical edit abuse. yes, that probably should be

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-13 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 13 November 2013 09:20, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote: Secondly, you mention the case of special types of bicycle eg tricycles. I would argue that if such vehicles routinely have a different legal status with respect to access rights in a particular

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-13 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
On 13 November 2013 23:06, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: In the Netherlands, segways, rollerblades, and skateboards are allowed on bike paths. In Austria, segways and rollerblades are allowed on bike paths, but skateboards are not. In Germany, segways are allowed on bike

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-13 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 13 November 2013 23:53, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 November 2013 23:06, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: In which case,I don't think the already well-established access tags are what you should be using for this. bicycle=no

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Gambling

2013-11-13 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 11 November 2013 18:02, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: On Mon, 2013-11-11 at 17:50 +0100, fly wrote: What I miss so far is a way to better describe what kind of gambling is possible, no weather what kind of place it is, similar to gambling=* Do we need a tag for each machines ?