Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=mall versus shop=shopping_centre

2014-10-21 Thread Volker Schmidt
Paul, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mall your first two examples are malls, the third one would not be a mall. Volker On 21 October 2014 07:57, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: I'm thinking this is a shopping mall

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=mall versus shop=shopping_centre

2014-10-21 Thread johnw
Isn't shopping centre a collection of disparate stores grouped together for connivence (same parking lot), whereas a mall is a singular large (or several large) buildings full of little shops, primarily accessed by a pedestrian Thoroughfare in the center? To me the defining characteristic is

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=mall versus shop=shopping_centre

2014-10-21 Thread johnw
The second is in no way, shape or form, a mall, in the modern usage of Mall' to define a shopping plaza destination. The word mall can also define a pedestrian walkway with shops, But the singular noun of Mall - meaning a large pedestrian centric shopping plaza - is very different than 5 shops

Re: [Tagging] sport= non-physical tags and the exceptions people come up with...

2014-10-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-10-21 2:04 GMT+02:00 Dave Swarthout daveswarth...@gmail.com: +1 for leisure=scuba_diving_attraction or better yet, leisure=divespot and define the attraction or divespot further with subkeys I prefer leisure=divespot or dive_spot (?) or leisure=dive_site This could still be coupled

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=stationery, shop=office_supplies

2014-10-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-10-21 2:12 GMT+02:00 Dave Swarthout daveswarth...@gmail.com: I don't think there's much difference in reality as both sell paper, pens, ink and etc. However, the newer office supply places like Staples and Office Max are superstores that sell desks, computers, and other office furniture

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=stationery, shop=office_supplies

2014-10-21 Thread SomeoneElse
On 21/10/2014 05:24, Toby Murray wrote: ... I considered Staples to be different enough to deserve a different tag. I am not convinced that I am right... just stating at how I arrived at my tagging decision. ... that was pretty much my thought process with shop=office_supplies too. I'd be

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (brickkiln)

2014-10-21 Thread Megha Shrestha
We are not about to import any dataset instead we will manually upload the data to osm. Cheers, Megha On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 3:00 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-10-19 7:10 GMT+02:00 Megha Shrestha meghashrest...@gmail.com: Thank you for the suggestion. These

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (brickkiln)

2014-10-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-10-21 10:27 GMT+02:00 Megha Shrestha meghashrest...@gmail.com: We are not about to import any dataset instead we will manually upload the data to osm. how did you collect the data, e.g. about landownership, the numbers of male and female workers, etc.? Cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] cleanup of the key natural

2014-10-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-10-20 19:13 GMT+02:00 Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at: Most known caves are dry. I know because I have been in thousands of them. being dry doesn't mean they are not water-related. beaches also often are dry. please don't take wikipedia as your one and only reference. I

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (brickkiln)

2014-10-21 Thread Megha Shrestha
We collected the data from field survey. On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 1:39 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-10-21 10:27 GMT+02:00 Megha Shrestha meghashrest...@gmail.com: We are not about to import any dataset instead we will manually upload the data to osm. how

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=mall versus shop=shopping_centre

2014-10-21 Thread Paul Johnson
The third is functionally an esplanade (far, far more people walk it than drive it), and it's official name is the Portland Mall. Originally it only had bus lanes on it, but Portland being too cheap to install bus traps and not exactly having the most rigorous enforcement decided to add a third

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=mall versus shop=shopping_centre

2014-10-21 Thread Brad Neuhauser
I agree with Matthjis--I don't see much of a clearly defined and widely agreed on difference between the two. Given that, and the small usage of shopping_centre, I agree with should deprecate shopping_centre. Cheers, Brad On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 4:43 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=mall versus shop=shopping_centre

2014-10-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
To me analyzing the given examples it seems as if a mall was necessarily a closed place while a shopping center would/could have outdoor connectivity. They appear to be similar as they both have several independent shops and collective facilities like toilets and parking. Maybe a mall has to have

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - cycleway=soft_lane

2014-10-21 Thread Hubert
Hallo, I would like to extend the voting period on my proposal, since it only has 9 votes at the moment. How much more time should I give it. 1 Week? 2 Weeks? Also, please leave your vote and/or comment on the discussion page if you like. Best regards Hubert From: Hubert

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=stationery, shop=office_supplies

2014-10-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2014-10-20 at 23:24 -0500, Toby Murray wrote: I know I have used office_supply for Staples. When I looked it up in the wiki, the stationery page did not include the examples of the office superstores and my impression was that it was intended for smaller shops, including the Hallmark

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=stationery, shop=office_supplies

2014-10-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2014-10-20 at 22:37 -0500, John F. Eldredge wrote: I haven't noticed one for several years, but there used to be stores that specialized in selling greeting cards and small ornamental gifts. Hallmark greeting cards had a retail chain. There are lots of these around, I have not noticed

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=mall versus shop=shopping_centre

2014-10-21 Thread johnw
On Oct 21, 2014, at 8:21 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging To me analyzing the given examples it seems as if a mall was

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=mall versus shop=shopping_centre

2014-10-21 Thread Bryan Housel
Your description of a mall as an enclosed place makes sense to me, but where I live they seem to call anything a “mall”. Here is the Watchung Square Mall”: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/258702838 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/258702838 and the “Valley Mall”:

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=mall versus shop=shopping_centre

2014-10-21 Thread John Willis
On Oct 21, 2014, at 9:54 PM, Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com wrote: Your description of a mall as an enclosed place makes sense to me, but where I live they seem to call anything a “mall”. Here is the Watchung Square Mall”: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/258702838 and the “Valley

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=mall versus shop=shopping_centre

2014-10-21 Thread Jerry Clough - OSM
A few points: * OSM standard is British English. Shopping Centre is standard British English for an enclosed pedestrian space with lots of shops. Historically these have been covered, but this is changing to a simulated street environment (in UK Liverpool One the Arc at Bury St Edmunds

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=mall versus shop=shopping_centre

2014-10-21 Thread ael
To me analyzing the given examples it seems as if a mall was necessarily a closed place while a shopping center would/could have outdoor connectivity. They appear to be similar as they both have several independent shops and collective facilities like toilets and parking. Maybe a mall has to

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=mall versus shop=shopping_centre

2014-10-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-10-21 15:39 GMT+02:00 Jerry Clough - OSM sk53_...@yahoo.co.uk: - Use of the shop tag is inherently problematic. These are not shops but retail areas. At the moment whenever I do any kind of retail analytical query I have to do AND NOT IN (shop='mall'). I would prefer to use

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=mall versus shop=shopping_centre

2014-10-21 Thread Steve Doerr
On 21/10/2014 12:06, Brad Neuhauser wrote: I agree with Matthjis--I don't see much of a clearly defined and widely agreed on difference between the two. Given that, and the small usage of shopping_centre, I agree with should deprecate shopping_centre. Just chipping in to say that 'mall' is

Re: [Tagging] Truckage company

2014-10-21 Thread Jerry Clough - OSM
As Dudley said, Haulage contractor is standard British-English for firms (and individuals) who own and operate Heavy Goods Vehicles (over 3.5 t IIRC) to transport a whole range of loads. As others have said logistics is about the whole chain of processes rather than specifically individual

Re: [Tagging] RFC Tagging for complex junctions

2014-10-21 Thread fly
Am 18.10.2014 08:45, schrieb Lukas Sommer: Hello. The combined proposal for complex junctions and complex traffic signal systems had less support than I hoped (5 of 9 votes). Initially, I was thinking it was a good idea to treat these two features together. However, this was obviously not

Re: [Tagging] Vandalis on access page

2014-10-21 Thread Pee Wee
Well... here's my experience with user Ulamm. He sure has taken away part of the fun it was contributing to this project. I've noticed he made some changes to the use_sidepath http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle%3Duse_sidepath wiki. I asked him in a private mail for the reason of the

Re: [Tagging] Vandalis on access page

2014-10-21 Thread fly
+10 It is frustrating and I only rarely change the wiki. I always try to be polite and get into contact but only once. If there is no real reaction and only more pages are changed or directly changed after the revert, I would revert them all immediately as it is a problem if wrong/undiscussed

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (brickkiln)

2014-10-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2014-10-21 at 02:21 -0700, Megha Shrestha wrote: We collected the data from field survey. By field survey what do you mean? You can obviously collect data from what you can see, from signs. But my concern is much of this information could be seen as commercially sensitive, where does

Re: [Tagging] Vandalis on access page

2014-10-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-10-21 18:52 GMT+02:00 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: it is a problem if wrong/undiscussed changes are spread. while I agree, I'd like to point out that this is not an isolated problem with a single user, it is systematically happening all the time. I believe that the overwhelming

Re: [Tagging] RFC Tagging for complex junctions

2014-10-21 Thread Lukas Sommer
Yes, I’m aware of https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/highway=junction However, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/highway=junction focuses on the tagging style of intersecting roads and proposes to not connect them anymore and so avoid turn restrictions. But

Re: [Tagging] Vandalis on access page

2014-10-21 Thread Hubert
Pre up: I have worked with him on the soft_lane proposal - results pending. I think his intentions are good and that he just takes the be bold part of the wiki too seriously, or the changes he makes are too large. That said, I believe that talking to others is an important part of a Community

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=mall versus shop=shopping_centre

2014-10-21 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPad On Oct 21, 2014, at 10:45 PM, Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com wrote: I was also thinking that landuse=retail makes more sense than either mall or shopping_centre. If you have a big building enclosing lots of shops, you can tag it building=mall. johnw, I