Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-09-30 Thread Lionel Giard
Looking at the definition on the wikiproject telecom https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Telecoms (in the part "Antennas / Masts / Towers", there is a section to indicate how to tag the mast, tower ...: >From my understandings, the three (four) cases are currently : - a vertical

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-09-30 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 at 17:24, SelfishSeahorse wrote: > > On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 at 14:45, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > > > To solve the contradiction we need to get rid of one of the two > > > definitions. > > > > they could be combined: if it is intended to be accessed by people (not > >

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-09-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 30. Sep 2018, at 17:24, SelfishSeahorse wrote: > > I think it's better to stick to either a common or a technical > definition. it doesn’t have to be the British definition of terms, has it? Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Traffic sign direction tagging..

2018-09-30 Thread Robert Skedgell
On 28/09/18 22:58, Philip Barnes wrote: > > > On 28 September 2018 22:14:03 BST, Simon Poole wrote: >> >> >> Am 28.09.2018 um 18:07 schrieb Bryan Housel: I actually mentioned the issue in Milano.  Essentially `traffic_sign`, `traffic_sign:forward` and

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-09-30 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 at 19:34, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > I think it's better to stick to either a common or a technical > > definition. > > > it doesn’t have to be the British definition of terms, has it? It would already be helpful if there actually were a common definition to distinguish

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-09-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 30. Sep 2018, at 20:19, SelfishSeahorse wrote: > > a tower is accessible and provides > platforms, whereas a mast only offers ladder steps to climb it' [1] > and asked him where this definition comes from and what 'accessible' > exactly means (a ladder also provides

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-09-30 Thread Bill Ricker
> only one in the Western Hemisphere, > I presume you're thinking of Toronto's CN Tower, but the Space Needle in Seattle though listed as an Observation Tower has a transmitter spike on top, so serves the same dual purposes as Fernsehturms in Germany, as TV transmitter and tourist trap. There

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-09-30 Thread Mark Wagner
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:19:58 +0200 SelfishSeahorse wrote: > On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 at 19:34, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > > > I think it's better to stick to either a common or a technical > > > definition. > > > > > > it doesn’t have to be the British definition of terms, has it? > >

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-09-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 1. Oct 2018, at 06:07, Mark Wagner wrote: > > I suspect it comes from observing European-style radio towers (for > example, Fernsehturm Berlin[1]). For the record: the mother of all these towers with a shaft in reinforced concrete is actually in Stuttgart:

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a named river bend

2018-09-30 Thread Yves
Fine for me. Yves Le 30 septembre 2018 06:19:21 GMT+02:00, Dave Swarthout a écrit : >Correct. I will split the river way at either end of the bend and apply >the section tags to that piece only. The river continues to have its >own >name tag while the bend has only the tags needed to identify

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

2018-09-30 Thread Tomas Straupis
On 30.09.2018 05:00, Bryan Housel wrote: > From my own perspective as the main developer on the main editor for > OSM, This is way too exaggerated. While iD is most visible, most data is created not by iD. And it is not always possible to advice novice user to use iD. For example iD only

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

2018-09-30 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Sunday 30 September 2018, Tomas Straupis wrote: > "Russian water > tagging scheme" (everything blue is natural=water) Note this is a completely wrong characterization of the water=* tagging scheme that is playing on nationalistic sentiments. You should not do that. water=river is not more

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

2018-09-30 Thread Tomas Straupis
2018-09-30, sk, 17:09 Christoph Hormann rašė: > Note this is a completely wrong characterization of the water=* tagging > scheme that is playing on nationalistic sentiments. You should not do > that. Sorry, had no intention to insult anybody. This alternative scheme _originated from Russia_

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-09-30 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 at 14:45, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > To solve the contradiction we need to get rid of one of the two definitions. > > they could be combined: if it is intended to be accessed by people (not only > for maintenance) and is not guyed it is a tower, otherwise it would be a

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-09-30 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 at 03:13, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dmast says that > > "In structural engineering, mast is a vertical structure, supported by > external guys and anchors. > > This is the only existing definite feature that could be used

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-09-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 30. Sep 2018, at 14:39, SelfishSeahorse wrote: > > To solve the contradiction we need to get rid of one of the two definitions. they could be combined: if it is intended to be accessed by people (not only for maintenance) and is not guyed it is a tower, otherwise it

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

2018-09-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 30.09.2018 05:00, Bryan Housel wrote: > From my own perspective as the main developer on the main editor for > OSM, ... fsvo "main editor" ;) > I’m willing to bet a black hat > could design and upload a relation that would destroy OSM.. Or at least, > crash every piece of software in

Re: [Tagging] Traffic sign direction tagging..

2018-09-30 Thread Paul Allen
On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 2:23 AM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: [relations] > > Maybe because people don't understand how to use them properly (I know I > don't?), so they're scared of them? > I thought I was the only one. :) Some very simple, easily found, instructions / guidelines would be handy.