Re: [Tagging] Gorges, Canyons, Ravines: natural=valley or new tag?

2019-08-14 Thread Michael Patrick
> Also, Wikipedia basically says ravine, gorge and canyon are synonyms, > though as an American from the West, I tend to think of canyons as having > vertical, rock cliffs, vs ravines and gorges as less steep, but this may be > a dialectal difference. ... Thoughts on this? 1. Wikipedia ( and

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

2019-08-14 Thread Hufkratzer
I would also prefer the transclusion (template) instead of just links. It may be possible to split it up in and a part with more general tags (e.g. name, ref, operator, distance, ...) that are also used with other kinds of routes (e.g. for route=running;bicycle;mtb;horse;piste;inline_skates),

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

2019-08-14 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 10:56, s8evq wrote: > > 1) Remove the wording "(optional)" in front of the explanation of some > keys. What's the function of adding (optional) in front of tags that are in > the Useful section of the table? Isn't every tag that is not in Required > optional by default? >

Re: [Tagging] How to distinguish public and private offices?

2019-08-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
office=diplomatic was recently approved for consulates (and embassies), which almost always provide public services. Office=government is one that is most in need of more distinctions. I suppose access=private isn’t wrong, but it seems incomplete: many government offices do not legally exclude

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Document personal tags in Proposed_features/ space, User: space, or Tag:/Key: space?

2019-08-14 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
15 sie 2019, 04:18 od joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com: > Thoughts? > (You can also respond at > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Any_tags_you_like > > ) > I would consider it as a great idea to document actually used tags.

[Tagging] How to distinguish public and private offices?

2019-08-14 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
There are some offices that can be assumed to be without access by general public like office=company. There are some that can be assumed to be accessible like office=travel_agent. But there are some like office=political_party, office=religion, office=government that are generally accessible

Re: [Tagging] How to distinguish public and private offices?

2019-08-14 Thread dcapillae
Hi, Why not "access=private"? Examples from the wiki [1]: "amenity=parking" + "access=private" for private parking, such as company employees. "leisure=swimming_pool" + "access=private" for a swimming pool in a private backyard. "leisure=playground" + "access=private" for a playground in a

[Tagging] Document personal tags in Proposed_features/ space, User: space, or Tag:/Key: space?

2019-08-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
[Posted to Talk + Tagging]: Currently the section "Non proposed features" in the OSM wiki page "Proposal_process" mentions that new tags should not be added to "Map_Features" without discussion. Some users also believe that new tags should not be documented under the feature wiki space with

Re: [Tagging] Definition of a Beach

2019-08-14 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
15 Aug 2019, 03:43 by joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com: > For context: yesterday Mateusz Konieczny edited the description of > natural=beach on the Landuse page and commented that "beach is not > always unvegetated and concrete along shore is not a beach", and then > I used his new description on

Re: [Tagging] Definition of a Beach

2019-08-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
For context: yesterday Mateusz Konieczny edited the description of natural=beach on the Landuse page and commented that "beach is not always unvegetated and concrete along shore is not a beach", and then I used his new description on the natural=beach page. Re: > "Is mud not a beach?" Generally

Re: [Tagging] Document personal tags in Proposed_features/ space, User: space, or Tag:/Key: space?

2019-08-14 Thread Warin
On 15/08/19 12:18, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: [Posted to Talk + Tagging]: Currently the section "Non proposed features" in the OSM wiki page "Proposal_process" mentions that new tags should not be added to "Map_Features" without discussion. Some users also believe that new tags should not be

Re: [Tagging] How to distinguish public and private offices?

2019-08-14 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
14 Aug 2019, 23:11 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > >> There are some that can be assumed to be accessible like office=travel_agent. >> > > > depends what this is describing: a place where you go to book a tour / hotel > / flight or a business 2 business place (back office) where contracts / >

Re: [Tagging] How to distinguish public and private offices?

2019-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 14. Aug 2019, at 22:27, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > There are some offices that can be assumed to be without access by general > public > like office=company. I would generally think of office=* as not accessible for the general public, at least this was the

Re: [Tagging] Document personal tags in Proposed_features/ space, User: space, or Tag:/Key: space?

2019-08-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> "accepted and historic method of documenting new tags." > "No matter how little used this is the accepted method" Is there evidence or documentation that the accepted and historic method of documenting new, unused or little-used tags is to create a Tag:key=value page, without discussion first?

Re: [Tagging] Bicycle kitchens, community centres that offer bicycle repairs etc

2019-08-14 Thread dcapillae
Hi, Morten. Where I live (Málaga, Spain), there is (or was) a bicycle workshop with similar characteristics. Its creator defined it as a socio-cultural bicycle workshop. You could take your bike there for repair. I had tools and everything you might need. In addition, more experienced people

Re: [Tagging] How to distinguish public and private offices?

2019-08-14 Thread Warin
On 15/08/19 07:35, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 14. Aug 2019, at 23:30, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Unfortunately many office=* tags represent something that is accessible yes it is unfortunate Not it is not. An office is a place predominantly providing services,

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

2019-08-14 Thread Warin
On 14/08/19 22:21, Paul Allen wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 10:56, s8evq > wrote: 1) Remove the wording "(optional)" in front of the explanation of some keys. What's the function of adding (optional) in front of tags that are in the Useful section of the

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

2019-08-14 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 at 00:13, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: One hiking trail I know of the locals usually go bare foot, not only > because of poverty but also terrain. > So the foot ware would be a guide, not a rule. > Are all foot routes paved? I would think so. > Around my town there

[Tagging] New property Key:walk-in for amenities like clinics, barbers, hair salons that offer walk-in appointments/service?

2019-08-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Another user has proposed the Key walk-in=* to specify if an amenity, like a healthcare facility, sees people on a walk-in basis or not. In particular it's for medical clinics or doctor's practices. Suggested values are: yes - walk-in service is available (appointments might also be available)

[Tagging] New property Key:walk-in for amenities like clinics, barbers, hair salons that offer walk-in appointments/service?

2019-08-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Another user has proposed the Key walk-in=* to specify if an amenity, like a healthcare facility, sees people on a walk-in basis or not. In particular it's for medical clinics or doctor's practices. Suggested values are: yes - walk-in service is available (appointments might also be available)

Re: [Tagging] Document personal tags in Proposed_features/ space, User: space, or Tag:/Key: space?

2019-08-14 Thread Warin
On 15/08/19 13:33, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: "accepted and historic method of documenting new tags." "No matter how little used this is the accepted method" Is there evidence or documentation that the accepted and historic method of documenting new, unused or little-used tags is to create a

Re: [Tagging] How to distinguish public and private offices?

2019-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 14. Aug 2019, at 23:30, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > Unfortunately many office=* tags represent something that is accessible yes it is unfortunate ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Bicycle kitchens, community centres that offer bicycle repairs etc

2019-08-14 Thread dcapillae
Sorry, Obviusly, «amenity=community_centre» (my mistake). -- Sent from: http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/Tagging-f5258744.html ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Connectivity relations - approved

2019-08-14 Thread dcapillae
Good job! Thank you, Leif. -- Sent from: http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/Tagging-f5258744.html ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Definition of a Beach

2019-08-14 Thread Warin
What is a beach? Oxford Dictionary: A pebbly or sandy shore, especially by the sea between high- and low-water marks. OSM description now: landform along a body of water which consists of sand, shingle or other loose material OSM description yesterday: Unvegetated strip of sand, shingle or

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

2019-08-14 Thread Warin
It would be usefull to document the method of  including alternate, side trips and access tracks to these routes. At the moment I and others are using the role 'alternate' for track alternative paths. For 'side trips' (short paths to features of interest) possibly the role 'side_trip'? For

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

2019-08-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Re: > "One hiking trail I know of the locals usually go bare foot, not only because of poverty but also terrain. So the foot ware would be a guide, not a rule. Agreed. That's also true of most paths and footways in rural eastern Indonesia, many of which are steeper, rockier or muddier and more

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

2019-08-14 Thread Warin
On 15/08/19 09:37, Paul Allen wrote: On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 at 00:13, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com > wrote: One hiking trail I know of the locals usually go bare foot, not only because of poverty but also terrain. So the foot ware would be a guide, not a

Re: [Tagging] Definition of a Beach

2019-08-14 Thread Warin
On 15/08/19 14:16, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: 15 Aug 2019, 03:43 by joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com: For context: yesterday Mateusz Konieczny edited the description of natural=beach on the Landuse page and commented that "beach is not always unvegetated and concrete along shore is not a

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

2019-08-14 Thread s8evq
I have gone ahead, and made a temporary Wiki page (not linked from anywhere) https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tagging_scheme_hiking_walking I copy here the text I added on the page as well: I have not added or removed any content. The aim of this table is to only harmonize the four

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

2019-08-14 Thread Warin
Nit picking.. name:xy is not the local name but the name in some language, usually not the local language . loc_name is for the local name. alt_name for an alternate name etc etc... Suggested text forosmc:symbol =* "represents the symbol

Re: [Tagging] Past discussions Was:Re: Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

2019-08-14 Thread marc marc
Le 14.08.19 à 02:00, Warin a écrit : > On 14/08/19 00:20, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >>> On 13. Aug 2019, at 16:02, Paul Allen wrote: >>> >>> Which diverged into this thread.  We've come full circle. >> you have to repeat and explain the outcome of older discussions >> to bring those on board

Re: [Tagging] Gorges, Canyons, Ravines: natural=valley or new tag?

2019-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 14. Aug 2019, at 07:20, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > natural=valley + valley=canyon etc this would also be my preference, presupposed we can come up with definitions for these valley subtypes that make sense. Cheers Martin

Re: [Tagging] Gorges, Canyons, Ravines: natural=valley or new tag?

2019-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 14. Aug 2019, at 10:31, Michael Patrick wrote: > > 5. For international features, the National Geospatial Agency GeoNames Search > page ( http://geonames.nga.mil/namesgaz/ ) enables you to look up the > classifications, and what they are called in the local

Re: [Tagging] Gorges, Canyons, Ravines: natural=valley or new tag?

2019-08-14 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 4:34 AM Michael Patrick wrote: > 4. These folks have their own 'Encyclopedia of Geomorphology', which gives > detailed explanations of what sorts of observable features define a term, and > where terms overlap. ( See page 486 'Ravines and Gullies at >