Re: [Tagging] Garmin waypoints and routes (was: "Roles of route members" and before that "Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking")

2019-08-21 Thread Volker Schmidt
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 at 20:48, Peter Elderson wrote: > I have to correct myself: I thought OsmAnd really performed routing when > navigating using a gpx trail. It doesn't, I tested it today. It translates > turns in the track into screen messgaes and spoken text messages, without > doing anything

Re: [Tagging] Garmin waypoints and routes (was: "Roles of route members" and before that "Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking")

2019-08-21 Thread Peter Elderson
I'll say it again: at the moment, regular people can not get a decent gpx track of a trail out of osm unless it is pre-ordered. Single chain, sorted, no branches, hooks or major gaps. These gpx-s are needed for navigating apps and devices, so you can have them guide you exactly along the trail.

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Evan Derickson
Bear boxes can be shared among multiple campsites, especially in backcountry campgrounds. We should also consider that there are other forms of food protection, such as bear wires and bear poles, that are used in some campsites. What about tagging with something like

Re: [Tagging] Use bbq=yes/no or barbecue_grill=yes/no with campsites?

2019-08-21 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
OK, reopening this thread: previously there were 2 or 3 people initially in favor of using bbq=yes (already used about 200 times) to specify that "there is a permanently installed barbecue grill at this feature", for use on picnic sites and campsites. However, later there were 2 people who

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Warin
On 22/08/19 08:16, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 08:02, Rob Savoye > wrote: > We should probably add both of these to the proposed list of > campsite property tags at   That's be a good idea, as bear boxes are becoming more and more

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Rob Savoye
On 8/21/19 7:27 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > For someone who is not familiar with the term 'bear box' it may > sound like bears are stored in there. > "Food storage box" might be better? Actually something like that is probably a better term. I think 'bear box' only because that's the

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Rob Savoye
On 8/21/19 3:54 PM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > This suggests that you could also use bear_box=yes/no with a > tourism=camp_site or tourism=camp_pitch feature to specify whether > or not their is a bear box somewhere at the location. Yeah, I'd add this to a 'tourism=camp_pitch' node. Where I was

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Aug 2019, at 00:01, Rob Savoye wrote: > > Yeah, I'd add this to a 'tourism=camp_pitch' node. Where I was > yesterday works out to something like 'amenity=bbq;bear_box;parking' > plus 'leisure=firepit'. a more common mapping method would be individual objects for

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I agree with Martin. It's not good practice to use semicolons in the value of the main feature tag, like amenity=bbq;bear_box, because this is hard for database users to interpret with a simple algorithm. At the proposal (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Campsite_properties)

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Campsite properties

2019-08-21 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Please comment on this proposal for additional properties and features to be used in campsite, caravan site and camp pitch areas: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Campsite_properties Main changes: Deprecate booking=* (use reservation=* instead) Deprecate bbq=* (use

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 08:02, Rob Savoye wrote: > > > We should probably add both of these to the proposed list of > > campsite property tags at > > That's be a good idea, as bear boxes are becoming more and more common > in western US campgrounds. > We don't have that problem!, but are the

Re: [Tagging] Maxtents= or capacity:tents= for campsites?

2019-08-21 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
OK, so there were 2 people in favor of capacity:tents= (+ tents=yes/no) and 2 in favor of using tents=yes/ alone. Any other thoughts on this? On 7/4/19, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > These are mainly meant to be used with tourism=camp_site and > tourism=caravan_site to show the total capacity of the

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 4:04 PM Tom Pfeifer wrote: > On 21.08.2019 19:44, Rob Savoye wrote: > >Many western state campgrounds have metal bear proof food storage > > boxes in each campsite, but not all of them. At certain times of the > > year this can be important. :-) Around here the bears

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Tom Pfeifer
On 21.08.2019 19:44, Rob Savoye wrote: Many western state campgrounds have metal bear proof food storage boxes in each campsite, but not all of them. At certain times of the year this can be important. :-) Around here the bears will destroy your car if there is food left inside. I see zero

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Rob Savoye
On 8/21/19 4:16 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > We don't have that problem!, but are the bear boxes at each individual > site / pitch, or is there one / "x" for the entire campground? Bear boxes are in every campsite, and hold about a week's worth of food. They're big enough you can put in a

Re: [Tagging] Cash_withdrawal draft

2019-08-21 Thread Warin
On 22/08/19 07:41, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: Commenting in both places Not a bad idea as it would be handy to know that you can get cash out "here". Some potential issues I can see though. How much can I get out ($100 max)? A supermarket cashier may be able to give me $500, but a corner

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Warin
On 22/08/19 10:25, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 7:23 PM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com > wrote: Is there a requirement to tag these 'animal resistant boxes'? Would a more universal tag be better? I've generally heard these referred to as

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Good idea! I agree that amenity=bear_box would be a good way to map this feature, probably on a node. This suggests that you could also use bear_box=yes/no with a tourism=camp_site or tourism=camp_pitch feature to specify whether or not their is a bear box somewhere at the location. We should

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 7:53 PM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 22/08/19 10:25, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 7:23 PM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Is there a requirement to tag these 'animal resistant boxes'? Would a >> more universal tag be better? >> > >

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 at 22:05, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > > The question remains if tagging the boxes would give bears an advantage as > they could exploit the > knowledge and focus on sites without such boxes? > +1 -- Paul ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Maxtents= or capacity:tents= for campsites?

2019-08-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Aug 2019, at 01:37, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > OK, so there were 2 people in favor of capacity:tents= I would prefer this. Although I would expect you could always add another tent somehow. Or is this about legal regulations (e.g. to protect a vulnerable

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 5:20 PM Rob Savoye wrote: > On 8/21/19 4:16 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > We don't have that problem!, but are the bear boxes at each individual > > site / pitch, or is there one / "x" for the entire campground? > > Bear boxes are in every campsite, and hold about

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 7:23 PM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Is there a requirement to tag these 'animal resistant boxes'? Would a more > universal tag be better? > I've generally heard these referred to as "bear boxes" regardless of the species they're intended to guard against.

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Warin
On 22/08/19 07:03, Tom Pfeifer wrote: On 21.08.2019 19:44, Rob Savoye wrote:    Many western state campgrounds have metal bear proof food storage boxes in each campsite, but not all of them. At certain times of the year this can be important. :-) Around here the bears will destroy your car if

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Rob Savoye
On 8/21/19 5:17 PM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > I agree with Martin. It's not good practice to use semicolons in the > value of the main feature tag, like amenity=bbq;bear_box, because this > is hard for database users to interpret with a simple algorithm. Actually I've found the opposite.

Re: [Tagging] Cash_withdrawal draft

2019-08-21 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Commenting in both places Not a bad idea as it would be handy to know that you can get cash out "here". Some potential issues I can see though. How much can I get out ($100 max)? A supermarket cashier may be able to give me $500, but a corner milk-bar may be only $50. Do you need to specify

[Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Rob Savoye
Many western state campgrounds have metal bear proof food storage boxes in each campsite, but not all of them. At certain times of the year this can be important. :-) Around here the bears will destroy your car if there is food left inside. I see zero instances of this type of data, at least not

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Andy Townsend
On 21/08/2019 19:03, Mark Wagner wrote: On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:44:41 -0600 Rob Savoye wrote: Many western state campgrounds have metal bear proof food storage boxes in each campsite, but not all of them. At certain times of the year this can be important. :-) Around here the bears will

Re: [Tagging] Garmin waypoints and routes (was: "Roles of route members" and before that "Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking")

2019-08-21 Thread Peter Elderson
I have to correct myself: I thought OsmAnd really performed routing when navigating using a gpx trail. It doesn't, I tested it today. It translates turns in the track into screen messgaes and spoken text messages, without doing anything with the map. So it will send you into a ravine if your track

Re: [Tagging] Was public_transport=platform intended to always be combined with highway=bus_stop?

2019-08-21 Thread Markus
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 at 10:11, marc marc wrote: > > Le 21.08.19 à 09:58, Markus a écrit : > > Otherwise, we need a new relation (maybe type=stop_position?) to > > connect the stop position to the waiting area > > imho that's why stop_area relation exist According to the wiki,

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Mark Wagner
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:44:41 -0600 Rob Savoye wrote: > Many western state campgrounds have metal bear proof food storage > boxes in each campsite, but not all of them. At certain times of the > year this can be important. :-) Around here the bears will destroy > your car if there is food left

[Tagging] Cash_withdrawal draft

2019-08-21 Thread amilopowers
Hello I filed a draft for a new tag called "cash_withdrawal". Please comment in the wiki. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Cash_withdrawal With my best regards Ueli aka amilopowers Sent from ProtonMail, encrypted email based in Switzerland. signature.asc

Re: [Tagging] Was public_transport=platform intended to always be combined with highway=bus_stop?

2019-08-21 Thread marc marc
Le 21.08.19 à 09:58, Markus a écrit : > Otherwise, we need a new relation (maybe type=stop_position?) to > connect the stop position to the waiting area imho that's why stop_area relation exist ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Was public_transport=platform intended to always be combined with highway=bus_stop?

2019-08-21 Thread Markus
On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 at 05:55, Michael Tsang wrote: > > I think there is a need for public_transport=stop_position. Although 99.9% of > the cases the bus stops directly at the platform, there are some edge cases > where the bus does not stop at the platform due to practical reasons, i.e. the >

Re: [Tagging] Was public_transport=platform intended to always be combined with highway=bus_stop?

2019-08-21 Thread Peter Elderson
I have now seen PT stop discussions a gazillion times. The references and differences reflect the different usages people have in mind, from: I just want to map what's visible on the ground, to Support every thinkable way of linking, routing, planning and navigating. Just saying. Fr gr Peter

Re: [Tagging] Was public_transport=platform intended to always be combined with highway=bus_stop?

2019-08-21 Thread Peter Elderson
typo: references -> Preferences. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op wo 21 aug. 2019 om 11:13 schreef Peter Elderson : > I have now seen PT stop discussions a gazillion times. The references and > differences reflect the different usages people have in mind, from: I just > want to map what's visible on the

Re: [Tagging] Was public_transport=platform intended to always be combined with highway=bus_stop?

2019-08-21 Thread Jo
Indeed, but I don't think it makes sense to use them for each and every stop On Wed, Aug 21, 2019, 10:11 marc marc wrote: > Le 21.08.19 à 09:58, Markus a écrit : > > Otherwise, we need a new relation (maybe type=stop_position?) to > > connect the stop position to the waiting area > > imho