Re: [Tagging] "part:wikidata=*" tag proposal for multiple elements connected to the same wikidata id

2019-09-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 11. Sep 2019, at 20:23, Paul Allen wrote: > > The > question I'd consider important is have you mapped those two things as > distinct OSM objects? with the current state I am not sure what wikidata is describing here, or if these are maybe duplicates. At some point

Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 12. Sep 2019, at 10:49, Peter Elderson wrote: > > If there is agreement that this actually is something worth mapping, I don't > see a problem there. this is how wikipedia works, in OpenStreetMap you do not need approval of others that something is “worth” mapping,

Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 12. Sep 2019, at 11:18, Janko Mihelić wrote: > > I don't think this is good mapping. agreed, I didn’t imply it was good mapping, what I said was that it can be mapped without question, because it is there, visible a verifiable. No need for a relation at all, and I

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reusable packaging

2019-09-12 Thread Antoine Jaury via Tagging
Hi, I would like to propose the following feature for comments: Link: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/reusable_packaging Definition: Describes a shop accepting reusable containers from their customers and/or proposing some Thank you all for your kindly comments and

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reusable packaging

2019-09-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, I am generally skeptical of us becoming more and more a business directory. I think that objects in the real world have some real-world, observable properties, like a house that has a certain form and height, or a sign that has been put up, or a bench, and while these properties can change,

Re: [Tagging] "part:wikidata=*" tag proposal for multiple elements connected to the same wikidata id

2019-09-12 Thread Janko Mihelić
One problem On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 06:53 Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > I still see no benefit in using part:wikipedia > or part:wikidata over current version. > One problem with the current system is that if you click one of those dwarfs in OSM, and see it's linked to an object in wikidata, you

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reusable packaging

2019-09-12 Thread marc marc
Hello, Le 12.09.19 à 12:20, Antoine Jaury via Tagging a écrit : > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/reusable_packaging > Definition: Describes a shop accepting reusable containers from their > customers and/or proposing some it'sn't the same as

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reusable packaging

2019-09-12 Thread Antoine Jaury via Tagging
Hello, It's not the same as the key bulk_purchase. As explained: " OpenStreetMap allows to identify bulk purchase shops and it exists some applications like https://cartovrac.fr for people who just want a render of these data.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reusable packaging

2019-09-12 Thread Antoine Jaury via Tagging
And sorry Marc but I don't have an article explaining the use of one-use only bag proposed by bulk purchase shops. In my case, I buy only bulk purchase products and it often happen in supermarket for example that you can only use the supermarket's paper bags with a plastic window on the bag

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reusable packaging

2019-09-12 Thread marc marc
well in this case, this shop isn't a bulk_purchase=yes shop bulk_purchase=* in osm mean that you can BUY item in bulk not that the shop has a stock of product that he packs for you on site. bulk_purchase informs how the customer can have the product and not in what form the stock in the shop is

Re: [Tagging] "part:wikidata=*" tag proposal for multiple elements connected to the same wikidata id

2019-09-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 12. Sep 2019, at 00:03, Paul Allen wrote: > > I'll just > go and look at wikidata for stolperstein... It's not identified as a > category, but it clearly is one. It's > a sub-class of commemorative plaque. It makes no more sense to apply > Q26703203 to every >

Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Peter Elderson
I think it makes sense to map preference routes as route relations, same as node2node routes within node networks. I am not a fan of network relations if they are just collections of elements, but if the information about how they are organised and used is also present and verifiable by survey

Re: [Tagging] "part:wikidata=*" tag proposal for multiple elements connected to the same wikidata id

2019-09-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 11. Sep 2019, at 20:23, Paul Allen wrote: > > Where wikipedia articles in a language do not match the wikidata then the > article or the wikidata > is incorrect. the problem is not black and white, things can match in wikipedia, partially. And several wikipedia

Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Janko Mihelić
I don't think this is good mapping. Firstly, this is not a route. A route is something that gets you from one place to another. This is a network of routes, and there is a tag for it, type=network[1] But this type of a relation breaks the "Relations are not Categories" rule [2]. That's why I think

Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Volker Schmidt
I see similarities of this approach with the hiking paths of the alpine clubs, but with the important difference that the routes do not have a reference. And it's very similar to a node network, except that the nodes are not numbered. It's a 1:1 copy of the road network signposting (and please

Re: [Tagging] "part:wikidata=*" tag proposal for multiple elements connected to the same wikidata id

2019-09-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 11. Sep 2019, at 23:24, Janko Mihelić wrote: > > Art or memorial installations like Stolperstein[1], which are distributed, > but have one wikidata item. It's hard to imagine every Stolperstein will get > its own article. And a relation with all these nodes makes no

Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Peter Elderson
I would say it is a system of preferential cycleroutes to different destinations. It resembles the system of preferential truck routes in Amsterdam. It is a system, and it's visible on the ground. The arrow signs create a route to the next signpost in the chosen direction. If there is agreement

[Tagging] Proposed features / landuse=open_defecation

2019-09-12 Thread Bob Kerr via Tagging
I have created a proposal page for landuse=open defecation. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Dopen_defecation Please review it, my wiki page editing skills have suffered from lack of use so it could do with a little tidy if anyone wants to. Please discuss your

Re: [Tagging] Tourist bus stop

2019-09-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 12. Sep 2019, at 02:44, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > The Key:bus has this definition currently > (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bus): > > "A bus is a large motor vehicle used for public transport of passengers that’s a brand new page you have created

Re: [Tagging] Open Defecation Areas

2019-09-12 Thread Bob Kerr via Tagging
Hi, Mapping areas for Open Defecation may be a little tricky in the web editor but no problem in JOSM. In many slums Open Defecation Areas(ODA) can be a lot bigger than the size of a house. Individual nodes would be used in places like between houses or dead ends. Some areas are so big they

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reusable packaging

2019-09-12 Thread marc marc
Le 12.09.19 à 13:52, Frederik Ramm a écrit : > A supermarket chain can introduce paper bags today, discontinue them > next week, and re-introduce plastic bags next month. in theory yes. in practice logistics chains probably change less quickly than the urbanization of agricultural land. if we

Re: [Tagging] "part:wikidata=*" tag proposal for multiple elements connected to the same wikidata id

2019-09-12 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
12 Sep 2019, 11:43 by jan...@gmail.com: > One problem > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 06:53 Mateusz Konieczny <> matkoni...@tutanota.com > > > wrote: > >> >> I still see no benefit in using part:wikipedia >> or part:wikidata over current version. >> > > One problem

Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Peter Elderson
In NL node networks all node2node routes are route relations. Then all the relations and the nodes are added to the network relation, where the network:type (i.e. the setup/system/rules), the network name, operator, website etc are tagged. Currently, the network relation for node networks is used

Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Hubert87 via Tagging
Am 12.09.2019 um 23:24 schrieb Peter Elderson: In NL node networks all node2node routes are route relations. Then all the relations and the nodes are added to the network relation, where the network:type (i.e. the setup/system/rules), the network name, operator, website etc are tagged.

Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Hubert87 via Tagging
To summarize: - (highway) Use lcn=yes on the highway; (my Idea) maybe with some more Information about the network like lcn:operator=*, lcn:ref=* or similar. - (route-relation) split up the network into smaller relations going from guidepost to guidepost. Seems very complicated, also to query/get

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - footway=indoor

2019-09-12 Thread Jeremiah Rose
I've updated this RFC with some of the comments received over the last week. footway=indoor: indoor pedestrian route https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/footway%3Dindoor Thanks, Jeremiah Rose ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Proposed features / landuse=open_defecation

2019-09-12 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Thanks for working on this, Bob, Check out the page "Proposal_process" and in particular Proposal_process#Creating_a_proposal_page to help improve the formatting and make sure you've included important information. Please clarify exactly what should be mapped with this new tag. Is going to be