[Tagging] amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - brand:

2020-01-05 Thread Jake Edmonds via Tagging
Some bottle return vending machines only accept bottles of a particular beverage brand. Of the existing 137 bottle return nodes, none specify if there are any restrictions of which brands of bottles can be returned. I would like to propose using brand= but wanted to check if there were any

Re: [Tagging] amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - operator=

2020-01-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 5. Jan 2020, at 13:39, Jake Edmonds via Tagging > wrote: > > Some bottle return vending machines are placed inside supermarket stores and > give the user a discount coupon to redeem in-store when paying for their > shopping. The supermarket chain may not own, empty

[Tagging] amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - operator=

2020-01-05 Thread Jake Edmonds via Tagging
Some bottle return vending machines are placed inside supermarket stores and give the user a discount coupon to redeem in-store when paying for their shopping. The supermarket chain may not own, empty or maintain the machine but it appears operator=* is already being used for this case. Should

Re: [Tagging] amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - brand:

2020-01-05 Thread Jake Edmonds via Tagging
Hi Colin. I’m in Slovakia current and I believe the system is similar, if the shop sells a brand then they accept those bottles. I believe it’s useful information to be mapped. It is possible to find the machine that accepts the widest range of brands. One may not remember, or know, where a

Re: [Tagging] amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - brand:

2020-01-05 Thread Colin Smale
Jake, could I ask you to state what country/state you are referring to? These practices are likely to be different across the world. For example, some countries (such as the Netherlands where I am now) have a pseudo-mandatory system where the retailers pretty much have an obligation to facilitate

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tax free shopping

2020-01-05 Thread Hauke Stieler
Hi all, there was already some feedback (here and on the discussion page) thanks for that :) Considering the feedback, I edited the wiki page, adjusted the tagging scheme and added some examples for tagging situations. Hauke On 04.01.20 19:47, Hauke Stieler wrote: > Hi, > > you may noticed

Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

2020-01-05 Thread Florimond Berthoux
Le dim. 5 janv. 2020 à 18:41, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > > is “designated” implying that other vehicles cannot (legally or physically?) > use the parking, or that there are specific measures so that the designated > vehicles fit perfectly into the fixtures? No, that would depend on the

Re: [Tagging] amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - operator=

2020-01-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 5. Jan 2020, at 16:46, Colin Smale wrote: > >> The term vending machine is misrepresenting these machines and should not be >> used. > > > They are frequently called "reverse vending" machines - instead of the > customer trading money for goods, they trade goods for

Re: [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-01-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 6. Jan 2020, at 00:05, Tomek wrote: > > Listoj estas kategoriigitaj laŭ regionoj, la listo por angloj estas: > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb that is the list for users in Great Britain. Here we’re on the tagging mailing list, which has global

Re: [Tagging] tagging historic ruins

2020-01-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 5. Jan 2020, at 22:35, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The archaeological site may cover several ruins, probably the entire > community. So I would map that over the entire area. archaeological sites quite often are nested, overlapping (both, horizontally

Re: [Tagging] Cycle boxes for two-stage left turns

2020-01-05 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
Hello, Just a bump here to see if anyone has opinions about tagging for infrastructure allowing for two-stage bicycle turns. Please see original message quoted below for more details. I'm currently thinking of using the following: - relation with tag type=bicycle_two_stage_turn (comments on

Re: [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-01-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 5. Jan 2020, at 23:27, Tomek wrote: > > EN (automatic translation) > I plan to remove the "name" and "wikipedia" tags from places that are not > associated with a specific nation or language: > * continents > * north and south poles > * seas and bays, but exceptionally

Re: [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-01-05 Thread marc marc
Le 05.01.20 à 23:25, Tomek a écrit : > I plan to remove the "name" and "wikipedia" tags from places > that are not associated with a specific nation or language: > Please support (vote) my proposal or write a reason why not. are you planning a mechanical edit ? if yes, you misunderstood

Re: [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-01-05 Thread marc marc
Le 06.01.20 à 01:28, Tomek a écrit : > W dniu 20-01-06 o 00:24, marc marc pisze: >> are you planning a mechanical edit ? > NE, mi volas redakti ĉiun punkton aparte. editing one by one, doesn't solve the the mechanical issue, mechanical isn't about the size of the changeset, it's about the "select

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-01-05 Thread Tomek
W dniu 20-01-06 o 02:25, stevea pisze: > It's easy to goof things up and we shouldn't. EO Pardonu, mi ne estas provokisto, mi ne kondutas malserioze. Mi skribas en mia lingvo (pola) en internacia lingvo (Esperanto) kaj iam en via lingvo (angla), kial vi ne estimas min kaj ne parolas en mia

Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

2020-01-05 Thread John Willis via Tagging
> On Jan 6, 2020, at 1:27 AM, Florimond Berthoux > wrote: > >> I have just detected the wiki page "amenity=tourist_bus_parking" Why is this it’s own amenity, instead of amenity=parking bus=designated access=customers ? Many Service areas in Japan has an HGV/BUS parking lot with amenities

Re: [Tagging] depreciate recycling:metal in favor of recycling:scrap_metal

2020-01-05 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:50 AM Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > There is no useful difference > therefore it is pointless to have two > separate tags for that. > Domestic refuse metals like metal packaging from consumer products (think like, food and beverage cans), something that you can typically

Re: [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-01-05 Thread Tomek
Listoj estas kategoriigitaj laŭ regionoj, la listo por angloj estas: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb W dniu 20-01-05 o 23:55, Martin Koppenhoefer pisze: > First I’d like to remind you that this is an English language list, please > stick to English and post esperanto on the

Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

2020-01-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 5. Jan 2020, at 23:22, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > x=designated means access only for x and and there is a sign, ore something > equivalent, stating this > x=designated AND y=designated means access only for x and for y and there is > a sign, ore something equivalent,

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-01-05 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
5 Jan 2020, 23:25 by to...@disroot.org: > > I plan to remove the "name" and "wikipedia" tags fromplaces that > are not associated with a specific nation orlanguage > This would be unacceptable damage, for reasons already discussed. > Wikipedia links will be available via

Re: [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-01-05 Thread Tomek
EO W dniu 20-01-06 o 00:24, marc marc pisze: > are you planning a mechanical edit ? NE, mi volas redakti ĉiun punkton aparte. W dniu 20-01-06 o 00:24, marc marc pisze: > Removing the name tag implies that each style/app that uses it will have > to be modified to find out what is the most

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-01-05 Thread Tomek
EO Ĉu tiu ĉi dissendolisto estas nur por anglalingvanoj aŭ por ĉiuj homoj? Angla lingvo estis populara nur pro ekonomia potenco de Usono dum la 20-jarcento. Nuntempe estas la jaro 2020, ĉiu povas uzi elektronikan tradukilon: PL Czy ta lista dyskusyjna jest tylko dla anglików, czy też dla

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Trunk VS primary,

2020-01-05 Thread Julien djakk
Hello ! Please note that the highway tagging is designed for cars : there should be also a highway-like tagging for trucks, for bikes, and for pedestrians. Plus : there is the commuter point of view and the long-distance point of view :-) I would vote for an importance tag, values from 1 to 6 :

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Trunk VS primary,

2020-01-05 Thread Fernando Trebien
I know this discussion is US specific, but we've struggled with similar issues in Brazil as well, for very similar reasons. It seems we've made some progress in the southern region when we chose to judge importance according to a somewhat simple method (it started as: trunk = best routes between

[Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-05 Thread Rob Savoye
I assume the right place for tags like 'addr:housenumber' & 'addr:street' are on the building way, and not a standalone node ? - rob - -- https://www.senecass.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

2020-01-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 5. Jan 2020, at 20:18, Florimond Berthoux > wrote: > >> is “designated” implying that other vehicles cannot (legally or physically?) >> use the parking, or that there are specific measures so that the designated >> vehicles fit perfectly into the fixtures? > > No,

[Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-01-05 Thread Tomek
EO Mi planas forigi la etikedojn “name” kaj “wikipedia” por la lokoj, kiuj ne estas ligitaj al iu specifa popolo aŭ lingvo: * kontinentoj * norda kaj suda polusoj * maroj kaj golfoj kun escepto: forlasi la etikedon “name” se ekzistas maksimume du (aŭ tri) lingvoj de apudaj landoj, do ekzemple

Re: [Tagging] tagging historic ruins

2020-01-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 5. Jan 2020, at 17:06, Rob Savoye wrote: > > > Digging around the internet, I see a variety of ways to tag sites like > this, and a few old unapproved proposals. Since these structures are > thousands of years old, shouldn't they be 'historic=archaeological_site' >

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-05 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On 1/5/20 12:37, Marc Gemis wrote: > This depends on the country. > It is "forbidden" to put the address on the building in Denmark, > It is not typical to do so in The Netherlands. > In Italy, the address belongs to a door, not to a building. In the US it can go either way. I've seen a shopping

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-05 Thread Rob Savoye
On 1/5/20 11:45 AM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > In the US it can go either way. I've seen a shopping center where > multiple buildings had the same address (number and street) but > different ranges of suite/unit numbers. I can see both being appropriate. We have multiple old resorts with one

Re: [Tagging] amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - operator=

2020-01-05 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-01-05 16:22, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > > I would characterize them completely differently, nothing is sold, and you > don't get a discount coupon but rather a receipt to get back your deposit. > The term vending machine is misrepresenting these machines and

[Tagging] tagging historic ruins

2020-01-05 Thread Rob Savoye
I noticed today while planning a camping/mapping trip to southwest Colorado many nodes all tagged with 'historic=ruins', and that's about all. Most of these are stone buildings, some cliff dwellings in various states of decay. I was wondering if they should also be tagged as 'building=yes' or

Re: [Tagging] tagging historic ruins

2020-01-05 Thread Rob Savoye
On 1/5/20 10:56 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > from my point of view, yes, it is usually preferable to tag ruins with > historic=archaeological_site (unless they are modern/recent). I’ve > myself used historic=ruins a lot many years ago and have since changed > most of them to archaeological

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 5. Jan 2020, at 19:24, Rob Savoye wrote: > > I assume the right place for tags like 'addr:housenumber' & > 'addr:street' are on the building way, and not a standalone node ? it depends where the number/address is assigned to, and may vary, e.g. in Germany it depends

Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

2020-01-05 Thread Markus
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 17:29, Florimond Berthoux wrote: > > Using access tags is the good way to go, so we can use > [vehicle]=yes/no/designated. > Designated is to explicitly say that the place is specifically made for them. How would you tag a designated car park for customers only? designated

Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

2020-01-05 Thread Markus
On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 at 22:12, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > In particular I would like some tagging scheme that allows you to identify a > parking facility, and within that same facility (which carries the name) the > parking sub-facilities for cars, buses, HGVs, motorcycles, ...That would > make

Re: [Tagging] tagging historic ruins

2020-01-05 Thread Warin
The archaeological site may cover several ruins, probably the entire community. So I would map that over the entire area. Then add any remaining structures with what they are now, which could well be historic=ruins. You might consider adding them to OHM too. On 06/01/20 06:21, Rob Savoye

Re: [Tagging] tagging historic ruins

2020-01-05 Thread Tod Fitch
The name value almost certainly should not be “Indian Ruin”. If “Indian Ruin” is used for a value at all it should be in the description tag. Probably the more politically correct nowadays might be “Native American ruins”. Most of the larger sites have official names. “Montezuma Castle National

Re: [Tagging] tagging historic ruins

2020-01-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 5. Jan 2020, at 19:55, Tod Fitch wrote: > > One trouble with names it that the people who lived in those areas moved out > long before the advent of written documentation so we don’t know what they > called the places. All the names are from later peoples (different

Re: [Tagging] tagging historic ruins

2020-01-05 Thread Rob Savoye
On 1/5/20 11:55 AM, Tod Fitch wrote: > The name value almost certainly should not be “Indian Ruin”. If > “Indian Ruin” is used for a value at all it should be in the > description tag. Probably the more politically correct nowadays > might be “Native American ruins”. That was my thought,

Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

2020-01-05 Thread Volker Schmidt
We had this discussion recently regardng parking spaces. The cargobike vs bike is the same as the car vs motorcycle access when it comes to parking spaces. My approach in my foot-bicycle-vehicle-motor_vehicle world is: x=yes means x is allowed and nothing is said about other means of

Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

2020-01-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
is “designated” implying that other vehicles cannot (legally or physically?) use the parking, or that there are specific measures so that the designated vehicles fit perfectly into the fixtures? Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

2020-01-05 Thread Florimond Berthoux
Hi, Real case in Paris, we have : bicycle parking, motorcycle parking, bicycle-motorcycle parking mixed, free floating (dock less) scooter-bicycle parking, and cargo bike parking. How can I map that with only motorcycle_parking and bicycle_parking tags ??? I can't properly. Using access tags is

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-05 Thread Marc Gemis
This depends on the country. It is "forbidden" to put the address on the building in Denmark, It is not typical to do so in The Netherlands. In Italy, the address belongs to a door, not to a building. regards m. On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 7:24 PM Rob Savoye wrote: > > I assume the right place

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-05 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 05.01.20 19:22, Rob Savoye wrote: > I assume the right place for tags like 'addr:housenumber' & > 'addr:street' are on the building way, and not a standalone node ? If there is a 1:1 relationship between buildings and addresses, the building way is the most sensible location for addr tags.

Re: [Tagging] amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - operator=

2020-01-05 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-01-05 21:02, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > >> On 5. Jan 2020, at 16:46, Colin Smale wrote: > > The term vending machine is misrepresenting these machines and should not be > used. > > They are frequently called "reverse vending" machines - instead of the >

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-01-05 Thread Maarten Deen
On 2020-01-05 23:25, Tomek wrote: EN (automatic translation) I plan to remove the "name" and "wikipedia" tags from places that are not associated with a specific nation or language: * continents * north and south poles * seas and bays, but exceptionally leaving the "name" tag for seas with a

Re: [Tagging] amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - operator=

2020-01-05 Thread Jake Edmonds via Tagging
Regardless of whether the main tag should be changed or not, on second thought, I think the following tags should be used: brand= To indicate how the service is branded, for example, a recycling/bottle return company or the name of the super market where the machine is located

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-05 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Sun, Jan 05, 2020 at 11:22:50AM -0700, Rob Savoye wrote: > I assume the right place for tags like 'addr:housenumber' & > 'addr:street' are on the building way, and not a standalone node ? In Germany we have both. And it depends on what actually makes sense. These are my thoughts and usage: