Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-01-06 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 06:29, Maarten Deen wrote: > > I vote against it, if not only because your stance on this is flawed, > but also because this might remove correct and valuable information. > +1 -- Paul ___ Tagging mailing list

[Tagging] Fwd: amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - operator=

2020-01-06 Thread Jake Edmonds via Tagging
On third thought, breweries isn’t appropriate because not all reverse vending machine is for beer bottles, or even bottles at all. If something like brands_accepted existed, that would be fine. I’d rather not create something new. amenity=reverse_vending_machine

Re: [Tagging] depreciate recycling:metal in favor of recycling:scrap_metal

2020-01-06 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
6 Jan 2020, 12:37 by jerome.seigneu...@gmail.com: > > recycling:metal_packaging ? > If we go to that you use also carton_packaging, glass_packaging,  > metal_packaging, wood_packaging, paper_packaging, plastic_packaging  > There are recycling:paper_packaging recycling:plastic_packaging with some

Re: [Tagging] leisure=firepit vs fireplace=Yes

2020-01-06 Thread Jake Edmonds via Tagging
> Note that it may mean that wiki is incomplete and should be edited. Understood, but I wanted to get some other opinions before making any changes > On 6 Jan 2020, at 12:18, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > > > > 4 Jan 2020, 18:30 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: > The pages for

Re: [Tagging] leisure=firepit vs fireplace=Yes

2020-01-06 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
4 Jan 2020, 18:30 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: > The pages for leisure=picnic_table and amenity=shelter do not mention > fireplace=*. > Note that it may mean that wiki is incomplete and should be edited. Wiki is an useful documentation but not some sort of a final authority. > I don’t

Re: [Tagging] depreciate recycling:metal in favor of recycling:scrap_metal

2020-01-06 Thread Jérôme Seigneuret
I work in recycling society and there is 2 differents flux domestic packaging "metal, plastic, carton, paper, glass" and other (scrap_metal, concrate, green, produit chimique, oil,...). this is 2 differents waste collection types and sites collection are differents. metal is for me a material.

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On 1/6/20 01:47, Florian Lohoff wrote: > Then there are buildings which is a single building with no seperation > inbetween but multiple entrances with individual housenumbers. I > use nodes on those. I had a weird case locally (within walking distance of me) where one business in a building had

[Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-01-06 Thread Michael Patrick
> There is no reason for the Baltic Sea to be the "Baltic Sea" or for South America to be "South America" - this is an example of English imperialism. Mostly British Imperialism, almost every town in the U.S. has a namesake in the UK - if you look at nautical charts, Spanish dominates. History

Re: [Tagging] depreciate recycling:metal in favor of recycling:scrap_metal

2020-01-06 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
recycling:metal_packaging ? There is some use - 31 uses Far less ambiguous. 6 Jan 2020, 04:48 by ba...@ursamundi.org: > > > On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:50 AM Mateusz Konieczny <> > matkoni...@tutanota.com> > wrote: > >> There is no useful difference  >> therefore it is pointless to have two >>

Re: [Tagging] depreciate recycling:metal in favor of recycling:scrap_metal

2020-01-06 Thread marc marc
Le 06.01.20 à 04:48, Paul Johnson a écrit : > Domestic refuse metals like metal packaging from consumer products > (think like, food and beverage cans), something that you can typically > drop off at your average grocery store parking lot recycling center.  As > opposed to scrap metal, which is

Re: [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-01-06 Thread Steve Doerr
On 05/01/2020 22:25, Tomek wrote: I plan to remove the "name" and "wikipedia" tags from places that are not associated with a specific nation or language Please don't do that. It would be vandalism and disrespectful of previous mappers. Please support (vote) my proposal or write a reason

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Markus
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 19:39, Marc Gemis wrote: > > This depends on the country. > It is "forbidden" to put the address on the building in Denmark, Says who? And why? I agree with Martin and others: if every building has an own number, it makes the most sense to tag it on the building=* way

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Trunk VS primary,

2020-01-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 6. Jan. 2020 um 06:45 Uhr schrieb Julien djakk < djakk.geograp...@gmail.com>: > I would vote for an importance tag, values from 1 to 6 : for some roads or > path we could reach a cool level of details : example : > car:importance:commute=1, bike:importance:long-distance=3 > > We can

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-01-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 6. Jan 2020, at 07:29, Maarten Deen wrote: > >> Baltic Sea to be the "Baltic Sea" or for South America to be "South >> America" - this is an example of English imperialism. > > This "imperialism" idea of yours is just your idea. It is not something that > is widely

Re: [Tagging] depreciate recycling:metal in favor of recycling:scrap_metal

2020-01-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 6. Jan 2020, at 04:52, Paul Johnson wrote: > > As opposed to scrap metal, which is pretty much everything from car hulks to > household appliances to copper wiring and plumbing, etc... household appliances are not (only) scrap metal but contain typically a fair

Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

2020-01-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 6. Jan. 2020 um 03:25 Uhr schrieb John Willis via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org>: > > > On Jan 6, 2020, at 1:27 AM, Florimond Berthoux < > florimond.berth...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I have just detected the wiki page "amenity=tourist_bus_parking" > > > Why is this it’s own amenity,

Re: [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-01-06 Thread Tom Pfeifer
On 06.01.2020 21:32, Tomek wrote: Exactly, does a buoy with the inscription "Baltic Sea" swim at 56° N18° E? No, there is simply water that Poles call the "Morze Bałtyckie", Germans "Ostsee", etc. Hey, if that solves the conflict, let's check OSMF's budget, charter the OSMbow-Warrior and plant

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for emojis names

2020-01-06 Thread ferdi98701
I have now added a rationale part.From: Paul AllenSent: Montag, 6. Januar 2020 23:00To: Tag discussion, strategy and related toolsSubject: Re: [Tagging] Tagging for emojis names On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 21:49, wrote:I have made this

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Givebox

2020-01-06 Thread Hauke Stieler
Hi, I also came along those boxes and love the idea to have a separate tag for them. Just some small things: - There should be an icon on the map. Maybe something like the shop=charity icon [0] but with a box? Just an idea. - I think a German "Umsonstladen" is more like a store and less like a

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Volker Schmidt
I would assume that the routing/navigation argument is a valid one. The delivery van wants to stop as close as possible to the real entrance of the buildings, where he can ring the bell. In many case this is not on the building but on the entrance to the property.. I have a real case nearby

Re: [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-01-06 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> YES, so let's use the planned language! Either Esperanto (because of > popularity) or Interlingua (because it is understood without learning > for Romance language users). This is not an improvement for native speakers of any of the Han Chinese languages, or Arabic, or any of the other

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Volker Schmidt
> This depends on the country. > > It is "forbidden" to put the address on the building in Denmark, > A similar rule exist in Italy: the number has to be put where the actual entrance is, as the number identifies an entrance and not a building. Thai also helps navigation devices to get you to the

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for emojis names

2020-01-06 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 08:26, Paul Allen wrote: > > There are few, if any, use cases where the cosmetic enhancement of the few > relevant emojis would make sense or improve the map in any meaningful way. > I could sort of understand if a business name was an emoji, rather than real words, but

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Givebox

2020-01-06 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 22:43, Markus Peloso wrote: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Givebox > > > Your proposal states that "Givebox" is the name of such a facility in Germany and links to its Facebook page. "Givebox" is therefore a trademark, and you know it's a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Givebox

2020-01-06 Thread Eric Theise
People's Park in Berkeley was known for, among other things, its "free box". https://www.peoplespark.org/wp/free-clothing-box/ Might be a less encumbered term than "givebox" given the trademark issue Paul raises. Eric On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 3:38 PM Jmapb via Tagging wrote: > On 1/6/2020 5:41

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for emojis names

2020-01-06 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 21:49, wrote: > I have made this draft > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Emoji_names > for this Topic and I would like feedback and improvement > The proposal needs a rationale explaining why it is necessary, or at least why it serves a useful

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 7. Jan 2020, at 00:32, Dave F via Tagging > wrote: > > but can you show us rule where it says address data can't be added to > buildings if there's only one entrance? this is also what I have been arguing for in Italy, use addr tags on the whole area when there’s

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 00:57, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > On 7. Jan 2020, at 01:17, Paul Allen wrote: > > > > The question is, are we mapping an address or the location of a house > name/number > > plate associated with the address? I'd say the address. > > both, we are mapping both, using

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for emojis names

2020-01-06 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 22:11, wrote: > I have now added a rationale part. > I don't see searches as relevant. There are far more emojis than most people can remember. Many emojis are indecipherable unless you're already familiar with them. So this is how the search would actually go... Do a

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for emojis names

2020-01-06 Thread Hauke Stieler
> I could sort of understand if a business name was an emoji, rather than > real words, but I'm not aware of any cases of this? But I would tag a pure emoji-name of a company using the normal "name" key. However I'm also not aware of any case. Hauke signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Givebox

2020-01-06 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 1/6/2020 5:41 PM, Markus Peloso wrote: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Givebox A facility where people drop off and pick up various types of goods in the sense of free sharing. Hi Based on the https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Reuse

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 18:23, Dave F via Tagging wrote: > On 05/01/2020 18:37, Marc Gemis wrote: > > This depends on the country. > > It is "forbidden" to put the address on the building in Denmark, > > Hi > > Where does it say that? Where does it say it's forbidden to add address > data to

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 7. Jan 2020, at 01:17, Paul Allen wrote: > > The question is, are we mapping an address or the location of a house > name/number > plate associated with the address? I'd say the address. both, we are mapping both, using the same tags: housenumbers and addresses

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Dave F via Tagging
On 07/01/2020 00:30, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: Hi, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Addresses#Denmark and https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Da:Adresser seem like a good place to start. Hi Jarek Yes I had read the first link previously. Of course nothing is truly forbidden in OSM as long

[Tagging] Tagging for emojis names

2020-01-06 Thread ferdi98701
I have made this drafthttps://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Emoji_names for this Topic and I would like feedback and improvementBest regards Ferdinand0101 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Givebox

2020-01-06 Thread Markus Peloso
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Givebox A facility where people drop off and pick up various types of goods in the sense of free sharing. Hi Based on the https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Reuse and the

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Dave F via Tagging
On 05/01/2020 18:37, Marc Gemis wrote: This depends on the country. It is "forbidden" to put the address on the building in Denmark, Hi Where does it say that? Where does it say it's forbidden to add address data to building polygons in OSM? Keeping address data separate from buildings

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Givebox

2020-01-06 Thread Volker Schmidt
The company with the same name is not related to the objects we are talking about. In any case it's a company' name for a product or service they provide. In addition it is not a GB-English term, so we need to find something which describes the concept. On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 00:38, Jmapb via

Re: [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-01-06 Thread Tomek
EO W dniu 20-01-06 o 09:59, Michael Patrick pisze: > There is a 'reason'. Toponyms at all levels are established > by naming authorities and conventions at from the village > to the international level, for all sorts of domains. The > key point is, the locality decides, not outsiders - there > is

Re: [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-01-06 Thread Markus
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 23:27, Tomek wrote: > > I plan to remove the "name" and "wikipedia" tags from places that are not > associated with a specific nation or language: > * continents > * north and south poles > * seas and bays, but exceptionally leaving the "name" tag for seas with a > maximum

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Dave F via Tagging
On 06/01/2020 21:55, Volker Schmidt wrote: This depends on the country. It is "forbidden" to put the address on the building in Denmark, A similar rule exist in Italy: the number has to be put where the actual entrance is, Well, this is slightly better than floating nodes as in Denmark, but

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Simon Poole
Am 06.01.2020 um 22:55 schrieb Volker Schmidt: > > > > > This depends on the country. > > It is "forbidden" to put the address on the building in Denmark, > > A similar rule exist in Italy: the number has to be put where the > actual entrance is, as the number identifies an entrance and

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Rob Savoye
On 1/6/20 4:38 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > the buildings, where he can ring the bell. In many case this is not on > the building but on the entrance to the property.. I have a real case Here that's very common. Physical address signs are on the end of the driveway where they can be seen.

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 23:56, Rob Savoye wrote: > On 1/6/20 4:38 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > > the buildings, where he can ring the bell. In many case this is not on > > the building but on the entrance to the property.. I have a real case > > Here that's very common. Physical address signs

Re: [Tagging] Incomplete addresses

2020-01-06 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 20:59, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Was wondering about how to bring this up when the ongoing discussion about > building addresses started ... > > I've recently been working on Map Roulette errors, & while doing so, have > come across quite a few cases where addresses

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Marc Gemis
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 7:21 PM Markus wrote: > > On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 19:39, Marc Gemis wrote: > > > > This depends on the country. > > It is "forbidden" to put the address on the building in Denmark, > > Says who? And why? The Danish community, as the address nodes were automatically

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-01-06 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
6 Jan 2020, 16:35 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > sent from a phone > >> On 6. Jan 2020, at 07:29, Maarten Deen wrote: >> >>> Baltic Sea to be the "Baltic Sea" or for South America to be "South >>> America" - this is an example of English imperialism. >>> >> >> This "imperialism" idea of yours

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Rob Savoye
On 1/6/20 6:04 PM, Paul Allen wrote: > As I understand it, in some countries the emergency services use > OSM. Knowing the building they can figure out which gate to use. > Knowing the gate may not tell them which of several buildings they > need to get to. We use OSM for emergency response

Re: [Tagging] Incomplete addresses

2020-01-06 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
7 Jan 2020, 02:58 by graemefi...@gmail.com: > I kept finding places with the street number & name entered, often together > with the post code!, but with no suburb listed? > > Obviously, I have no idea which editor was used to map them, but shouldn't > this sort of thing error to say

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-01-06 Thread Maarten Deen
On 2020-01-07 08:27, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: 6 Jan 2020, 16:35 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: sent from a phone On 6. Jan 2020, at 07:29, Maarten Deen wrote: Baltic Sea to be the "Baltic Sea" or for South America to be "South America" - this is an example of English imperialism. This

[Tagging] Incomplete addresses

2020-01-06 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Was wondering about how to bring this up when the ongoing discussion about building addresses started ... I've recently been working on Map Roulette errors, & while doing so, have come across quite a few cases where addresses haven't been completely entered. In Australia, the format for entering

Re: [Tagging] Incomplete addresses

2020-01-06 Thread Andrew Harvey
I agree, it's pedantic to add the suburb and state since these can easily be derived from the admin boundaries, and often from a ground survey you won't be able to know the suburb anyway so best to just enter the data that you can survey. That said, it can still be useful to tag the suburb on the

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Marc Gemis
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 1:32 AM Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > > On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 18:23, Dave F via Tagging > wrote: > > On 05/01/2020 18:37, Marc Gemis wrote: > > > This depends on the country. > > > It is "forbidden" to put the address on the building in Denmark, > > > > Hi > > > > Where does

Re: [Tagging] Incomplete addresses

2020-01-06 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 12:06, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > > In Ontario we don't always map city and province in cases where that > can be easily computed from other OSM data. Province is outright > discouraged. When the administrative boundaries of municipalities and > regions/states/provinces are