Re: [Tagging] Incomplete addresses

2020-01-07 Thread Lionel Giard
In Belgium, the only two mandatory field are "house number" and "street name", postcode and municipality/city can generally be derived from administrative boundaries and thus are optional. I see a lot of people using ID and adding those, as well as the country which is really not needed (because

Re: [Tagging] Incomplete addresses

2020-01-07 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On 1/7/20 02:16, Lionel Giard wrote: > The ID template must not be taken a mandatory field, but only as a > suggestion on what information is generally useful for this feature (in > the entire world, as i think that the template are not different by > countries ?!). :-) I'm pretty sure the iD

Re: [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-01-07 Thread ael
On Mon, Jan 06, 2020 at 10:59:35PM +0100, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > On 06.01.2020 21:32, Tomek wrote: > > Exactly, does a buoy with the inscription "Baltic Sea" swim at 56° N18° > > E? No, there is simply water that Poles call the "Morze Bałtyckie", > > Germans "Ostsee", etc. > > > > Please support

Re: [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-01-07 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 12:21, ael wrote: > On Mon, Jan 06, 2020 at 10:59:35PM +0100, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > > On 06.01.2020 21:32, Tomek wrote: > > > Exactly, does a buoy with the inscription "Baltic Sea" swim at 56° N18° > > > E? No, there is simply water that Poles call the "Morze Bałtyckie", > >

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Di., 7. Jan. 2020 um 02:06 Uhr schrieb Paul Allen : > On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 00:57, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > >> >> > On 7. Jan 2020, at 01:17, Paul Allen wrote: >> > >> > The question is, are we mapping an address or the location of a house >> name/number >> > plate associated with the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - give box

2020-01-07 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 12:09, Markus Peloso wrote: > > > The naming was the difficult part. Why am I for give_box: > > > + Give box is already a known concept in Europa with a big community. > However, OSM uses British English where possible. I don't know what (if anything) British English

Re: [Tagging] Incomplete addresses

2020-01-07 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 19:26, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > On 1/7/20 02:16, Lionel Giard wrote: > > The ID template must not be taken a mandatory field, but only as a > > suggestion on what information is generally useful for this feature (in > > the entire world, as i think that the template are not

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - give box

2020-01-07 Thread Markus Peloso
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/give_box A facility where people drop off and pick up various types of goods in the sense of free sharing. Many thanks for your helpful Feedback and your support. :D I have updated the proposed. I like the idea of using the shop=charity

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-07 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 12:07, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: What I meant: we put address tags on objects (e.g. shops, restaurants, > museums, cinemas, etc.) > I put addresses on private houses too. I think you probably covered them with your "etc." but I thought I'd make it clear. and this is

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for emojis names

2020-01-07 Thread Rory McCann
On 07/01/2020 13:40, Jeroen Hoek wrote: If done correctly, this would mean you could search OSM for a flag copy/pasted from somewhere (like chat), and get the region represented by that flag as a search result. So to me it seems that this isn't so much about getting the emoji for the Statue of

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for emojis names

2020-01-07 Thread Jeroen Hoek
On 06-01-2020 23:44, Hauke Stieler wrote: >> I could sort of understand if a business name was an emoji, rather than >> real words, but I'm not aware of any cases of this? > > But I would tag a pure emoji-name of a company using the normal "name" > key. However I'm also not aware of any case.

Re: [Tagging] Cycle boxes for two-stage left turns

2020-01-07 Thread Florimond Berthoux
Hello, I think it’s a good thing to map these two stage turn for bicycles. I can’t see better solution than using relation (unless doing surface mapping...). Le lun. 6 janv. 2020 à 04:21, Jarek Piórkowski a écrit : > - relation with tag type=bicycle_two_stage_turn (comments on this >

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-07 Thread Volker Schmidt
May I come back to the navigation aspect. Let's assume I have a single square building aligned with the compass directions. It is between two parallel East<>West roads. It is placed closer to the road on the North side. Its entrance is on the South side from the road to the South. There is a fence

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-07 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 16:51, Volker Schmidt wrote: > May I come back to the navigation aspect. > Let's assume I have a single square building aligned with the compass > directions. It is between two parallel East<>West roads. It is placed > closer to the road on the North side. > Its entrance is

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - give box

2020-01-07 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 1/7/2020 7:26 AM, Paul Allen wrote: And yet the examples you give are shops, or shelves within shops.  They are NOT boxes.  On those grounds alone, "give box" is a very bad name.  In any case, who is doing the giving to whom? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Give-away_shop uses the generic term

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-07 Thread Dave F via Tagging
On 07/01/2020 17:18, Paul Allen wrote: On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 16:51, Volker Schmidt wrote: May I come back to the navigation aspect. Let's assume I have a single square building aligned with the compass directions. It is between two parallel East<>West roads. It is placed closer to the road

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-07 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-01-07 20:04, Paul Allen wrote: >> But why do we need to have the full street address on the building at all? > > To identify it. In the UK, house number or name, plus postcode is sufficient > to > uniquely identify it. People, however, still find other information useful. > Such as

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-07 Thread Rob Savoye
On 1/7/20 11:02 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > Nervertheless I admit that there will certainly be cases where we > need some way of tying together the point where the navigation device > finds the address and the buidling where the people live whom you > have come to visit to have a cup of tea. A

Re: [Tagging] recreational vs functional routes

2020-01-07 Thread Peter Elderson
joost schouppe : > Especially for car routes, I haven't seen any way to tag touristic routes for > driving cars, like the Turist Veger in Norway or the Route des Cols in France Are these routes waymarked as special routes? > ___ > Tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-07 Thread Volker Schmidt
> > I don't see misplacing nodes as being a good alternative to getting the > routeing right. > At least in the context of the legal requirements in Italy, I am not suggesting to misplace a node. I suggest to put it where the house number has to be (in Italy), i.e. on the entrance from the public

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-07 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 18:05, Volker Schmidt wrote: > I don't see misplacing nodes as being a good alternative to getting the >> routeing right. >> > > At least in the context of the legal requirements in Italy, I am not > suggesting to misplace a node. I suggest to put it where the house number

[Tagging] recreational vs functional routes

2020-01-07 Thread joost schouppe
Hi, Has there been any previous discussion regarding tagging recreational versus functional routes? Especially for car routes, I haven't seen any way to tag touristic routes for driving cars, like the Turist Veger in Norway or the Route des Cols in France. It is also of specific interest for

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for emojis names

2020-01-07 Thread Jeroen Hoek
On 07-01-20 14:14, Rory McCann wrote:> Countries in OSM should already include the ISO3166 code as a tag. Data > consumers, or OSM based search engines, could just interpret the emoiji > search term as 2 regular ASCII characters, and do the look up there. No > need for a separate emoiji tag. That

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-07 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 19:42, Colin Smale wrote: I'm glad you said "probably", because it is of course not always true. And > these edge cases are what we need to accommodate. Limiting the discussion > to just handling the easy cases is cheating. > I know it's not true because I've had to deal

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-07 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-01-07 21:14, Paul Allen wrote: > On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 19:42, Colin Smale wrote: > >> I'm glad you said "probably", because it is of course not always true. And >> these edge cases are what we need to accommodate. Limiting the discussion to >> just handling the easy cases is

Re: [Tagging] ISO3166-1 key documentation [was:Tagging for emojis names]

2020-01-07 Thread marc marc
Le 07.01.20 à 13:40, Jeroen Hoek a écrit : > using the exsiting ISO3166-1:alpha2 all those ISO3166-1* key doesn't have a wiki page. if the key is fine (I find it ugly as a top level key), it could be a good idea to write a small sheet about them. ___

Re: [Tagging] recreational vs functional routes

2020-01-07 Thread Marc Gemis
AFAIK, routes such as the Krekenroute in Belgium as signposted with https://images.app.goo.gl/bFnEWw7FVoyfq83x8 (although I thought at on some signs there is also the silhouette of a car) On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 8:39 PM Peter Elderson wrote: > > joost schouppe : > > > Especially for car routes, I

[Tagging] relation types: circuit proposal and an alternative

2020-01-07 Thread Richard Welty
a couple of months ago, i brought up the circuit proposal again, to a profound lack of interest. it is being used, by myself and others, because it does serve a need. as a reminder the original proposal is here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Relations/Proposed/Circuit but in the past

Re: [Tagging] recreational vs functional routes

2020-01-07 Thread Peter Elderson
If a route meant for motor vehicles is waymarked as a recreational route, why not use the same tagging system as for other recreational routes? [relation] type=route route=Xmn where X=l (local), r (regional), n (national) or i (international) an mn is motor network (name=...) (operator=...)

Re: [Tagging] relation types: circuit proposal and an alternative

2020-01-07 Thread marc marc
Le 07.01.20 à 20:58, Richard Welty a écrit : > a profound lack of interest > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Relations/Proposed/Circuit maybe it's due to the funny url for a propal moving it at the right place may help ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-07 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 21:00, Colin Smale wrote: Royal Mail do not say the Post Town is optional. RM also know of localities > and dependent localities, which may or may not bear any resemblance to an > inhabitant's perception of where they live. > Yeah, that's what they say. But only house

Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

2020-01-07 Thread Florimond Berthoux
Sorry I don't understand the point of the questions. Legally a cargo bike is a bicycle (or a tricycle which is the same) in France. But road laws (Code de la route) only apply on roads open to public traffic in France so the diversity can be wider than the law. And we don't tag the law in OSM. Le

Re: [Tagging] Cycle boxes for two-stage left turns

2020-01-07 Thread marc marc
Le 06.01.20 à 04:19, Jarek Piórkowski a écrit : > Comments most welcome! keep it simple ! advanced stop box only use a cycleway=asl without relation https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:cycleway%3Dasl a single node is not enought ? ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

2020-01-07 Thread Volker Schmidt
With access tags we "tag the law" (I like your experssion). Access tags are about legal access (unfortunately with some prominent exeptions, like wheelchair=yes|no). On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 22:28, Florimond Berthoux < florimond.berth...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sorry I don't understand the point of

Re: [Tagging] recreational vs functional routes

2020-01-07 Thread marc marc
Le 07.01.20 à 20:21, joost schouppe a écrit : > function=recreational/practical usage=tourism/transport ? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-07 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-01-07 22:21, Paul Allen wrote: > On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 21:00, Colin Smale wrote: > >> So if I am now more explicit about my intention to help this discussion >> towards a conclusion. > > Actually, you sorta hijacked a discussion about whether to put the address on > a >

Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

2020-01-07 Thread Phake Nick
With all those different types of parking facilities, wouldn't it be easier to create some tag combinations like the following? amenity=parking parking=bus bus=tourist_bus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

2020-01-07 Thread marc marc
Le 06.01.20 à 03:24, John Willis via Tagging a écrit : > parking=tourism > parking=disabled > parking=loading_dock > parking=taxi > parking=waiting_lot that conflit with the current meaning : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:parking parking=surface/underground/roof top would have looked

Re: [Tagging] Cycle boxes for two-stage left turns

2020-01-07 Thread Morten Lange via Tagging
Hi, On-street markings for a two-stage left-turn were recently introduced on a few roads/streets in Oslo, Norway. I think cycleway:asl=two_stage_left_turn looks okay. But since there is cycleway=asl why not use cycleway=two_stage_left_turn Sadly taking a two-stage left turn is

Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

2020-01-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 7. Jan 2020, at 23:10, Phake Nick wrote: > > amenity=parking > parking=bus > bus=tourist_bus a tourist_bus is not a subtype of a “bus” in OpenStreetMap. Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Cycle boxes for two-stage left turns

2020-01-07 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 16:29, marc marc wrote: > > Le 06.01.20 à 04:19, Jarek Piórkowski a écrit : > > Comments most welcome! > > keep it simple ! > advanced stop box only use a cycleway=asl without relation > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:cycleway%3Dasl > a single node is not enought ?

Re: [Tagging] Cycle boxes for two-stage left turns

2020-01-07 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 19:41, Morten Lange via Tagging wrote: > On-street markings for a two-stage left-turn were recently introduced on a > few roads/streets in Oslo, Norway. > > I think > cycleway:asl=two_stage_left_turn > looks okay. > > But since there is > cycleway=asl > > why not use >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Givebox

2020-01-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 7. Jan 2020, at 00:38, Jmapb via Tagging wrote: > > Hi Markus, why not just "reuse" amenity=reuse? IMHO too generic, reuse is a concept but it doesn’t suggest which kind of object it refers to. Cheers Martin ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 7. Jan 2020, at 14:40, Paul Allen wrote: > > In that, very exceptional case, it might be useful to put addresses on > entrances (except it's possible all entrances interconnect via corridors). I > have no > problem with exceptional tagging to handle exceptional

Re: [Tagging] Cycle boxes for two-stage left turns

2020-01-07 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 12:15, Florimond Berthoux wrote: > Hello, > > I think it’s a good thing to map these two stage turn for bicycles. > I can’t see better solution than using relation (unless doing surface > mapping...). > > Le lun. 6 janv. 2020 à 04:21, Jarek Piórkowski a écrit : > > -

Re: [Tagging] Cycle boxes for two-stage left turns

2020-01-07 Thread Marc Gemis
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 10:30 PM marc marc wrote: > > Le 06.01.20 à 04:19, Jarek Piórkowski a écrit : > > Comments most welcome! > > keep it simple ! > advanced stop box only use a cycleway=asl without relation > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:cycleway%3Dasl > a single node is not enought