[Tagging] Service road surface edits in the UK (was: Re: implied surface values?)

2020-02-12 Thread Andy Townsend
On 12/02/2020 11:51, ael wrote: +1. Some of the Amazon people do seem to be adding unnecessary and unsurveyed surface=asphalt tags to many roads in the UK which I find quite irritating. If anyone's adding surface=asphalt when it isn't I'd definitely raise that via a changeset discussion

Re: [Tagging] implied surface values?

2020-02-12 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On 2/11/20 09:51, Volker Schmidt wrote: > Do we have any agreed implied surface values for the different street > categories ? per country? > > I noticed this phrase > "in many cases this is implied by the way itself (for highway=trunk to > highway=residential, paved is implied) " > on the page >

Re: [Tagging] implied surface values?

2020-02-12 Thread ael
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 11:14:54AM +, Philip Barnes wrote: > On Tuesday, 11 February 2020, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > OK, you confirm that the "paved is implied" statement in the wiki page is > > to be read as "assuming we are in Germany ... paved is implied" and is not > > referring to some

Re: [Tagging] implied surface values?

2020-02-12 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tuesday, 11 February 2020, Volker Schmidt wrote: > OK, you confirm that the "paved is implied" statement in the wiki page is > to be read as "assuming we are in Germany ... paved is implied" and is not > referring to some wiki page that I have not yet detected (that was my > question). > I have

Re: [Tagging] implied surface values?

2020-02-12 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On 2/12/20 05:51, ael wrote: > +1. Some of the Amazon people do seem to be adding unnecessary and > unsurveyed surface=asphalt tags to many roads in the UK which I find > quite irritating. The most I usually do without a survey is surface=paved or surface=unpaved, with exceptions when I can see

Re: [Tagging] implied surface values?

2020-02-12 Thread Florimond Berthoux
As a cyclist living in city with too many road with (bad) setts I’m happy to know when a road is asphalt or not. @Volker, wiki says that only trunk and motorway imply paved, check their pages. Though like I already said, implying tags is bad because it let data reader guess what you think is

Re: [Tagging] implied surface values?

2020-02-12 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Volker Schmidt wrote: > Do we have any agreed implied surface values for the different > street categories ? per country? We had this thread already, didn't we? https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-September/048330.html

[Tagging] Clarify explicit abstention when voting on a proposal

2020-02-12 Thread Daniel Capilla
Hi, There is an ongoing discussion to clarify if whatever explicit abstaining is the same as no vote during the process of approving a proposal. [1] Please feel free to participate in the discussion. Happy mapping. Regards, Daniel [1]

Re: [Tagging] implied surface values?

2020-02-12 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Feb 12, 2020, 12:51 by witwa...@disroot.org: > On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 11:14:54AM +, Philip Barnes wrote: > >> On Tuesday, 11 February 2020, Volker Schmidt wrote: >> > OK, you confirm that the "paved is implied" statement in the wiki page is >> > to be read as "assuming we are in Germany

[Tagging] What is a saltbox?

2020-02-12 Thread Michael Brandtner via Tagging
Hi, we have a big inconsistency between different wiki pages and editors how we define the roof shape "saltbox".  1) A saltbox is a roof with a tilted part at left and right side and a flat part on top. This definition can be found at: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Simple_3D_buildings It

Re: [Tagging] What is a saltbox?

2020-02-12 Thread Julien Lepiller
Le 12 février 2020 14:26:26 GMT-05:00, Michael Brandtner via Tagging a écrit : >Hi, >we have a big inconsistency between different wiki pages and editors >how we define the roof shape "saltbox".  >1) A saltbox is a roof with a tilted part at left and right side and a >flat part on top. This

Re: [Tagging] implied surface values?

2020-02-12 Thread ael
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 07:15:42PM +0100, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > > >> > > >> In the UK too paved is implied, I have never used paved. Surface tags such > >> as asphalt, setts, concrete add the detail of what sort of paved. > >> > > > > +1. Some of the Amazon people do seem to be

Re: [Tagging] implied surface values?

2020-02-12 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wednesday, 12 February 2020, ael wrote: > On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 07:15:42PM +0100, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> In the UK too paved is implied, I have never used paved. Surface tags > > >> such as asphalt, setts, concrete add the detail of what sort of paved. >

Re: [Tagging] What is a saltbox?

2020-02-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 12 feb 2020, alle ore 20:41, Julien Lepiller ha > scritto: > > Also for some reason, this tag is different from what wikipedia describes a > saltbox to be: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saltbox_house the shape of OpenStreetMap-4D fits with the wikipedia

Re: [Tagging] What is a saltbox?

2020-02-12 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 2:41 PM Julien Lepiller wrote: > Also for some reason, this tag is different from what wikipedia describes a > saltbox to be: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saltbox_house The Wikipedia article describes the form that I always understood to be a 'saltbox house' - two

Re: [Tagging] What is a saltbox?

2020-02-12 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 5:21 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > the shape of OpenStreetMap-4D fits with the wikipedia article, although the > article suggests this is a specific New England building type, which makes > the term less suitable for a global roof type tag. Few others build in that

Re: [Tagging] implied surface values?

2020-02-12 Thread Sebastian Martin Dicke via Tagging
That can be a problem. If I survey streets on ground it is problematic if it is tagged in such way. Then I struggle with a map app that show me the surface, but with no visible difference between a sett or similar surface or just surface=paved. Additionally I use StreetComple to find missing

Re: [Tagging] barrier=hedge

2020-02-12 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
See a suggestion by Christoph at https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/3844#issuecomment-583848782: "If anyone wants to develop a followup to this change - i prepared two branches that could be helpful: 1)

Re: [Tagging] Clarify explicit abstention when voting on a proposal

2020-02-12 Thread European Water Project
An opinion from an OSM neophyte Abstain should mean just that .. either no vote .. or a blank vote.. It is important to understand why someone chooses to abstain instead of voting against a proposal. An abstainer has serious reservations about a specific detail of the proposal, but believes the