[Tagging] How are busways mapped, which are not guideways?

2020-10-18 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
There is an approved tag for bus guideways, where specially-designed buses are guided by a rail: But how should ordinary busways be mapped? Right now the suggestion on highway=bus_guideway is that other busways might be mapped highway=service + bus=designated + access=no. (See

Re: [Tagging] How are busways mapped, which are not guideways?

2020-10-18 Thread Andrew Harvey
When you say busway is that just a road that only busses are allowed to use, and specifically signposted for busses? if so then the suggested you noted of highway=* + bus=designated + access=no would be correct. On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 at 17:12, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > There is an approved tag

Re: [Tagging] Crossing tagged on both way and node (was: What does bicycle=no on a node means?)

2020-10-18 Thread Emvee via Tagging
On 15/10/2020 17:36, Jmapb via Tagging wrote: I've always been surprised to see a footway=crossing/cycleway=crossing way with the intersection node tagged as highway=crossing. There's only a single physical crossing, so this seems contra to the one-feature-one-element rule. A highway=crossing

Re: [Tagging] How are busways mapped, which are not guideways?

2020-10-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 18. Oct 2020, at 08:12, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > Right now the suggestion on highway=bus_guideway is that other busways might > be mapped highway=service + bus=designated + access=no. (See > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dbus_guideway) I

Re: [Tagging] Crossing tagged on both way and node (was: What does bicycle=no on a node means?)

2020-10-18 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Oct 18, 2020, 09:44 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: > On 15/10/2020 17:36, Jmapb via Tagging wrote: > >> I've always been surprised to see a footway=crossing/cycleway=crossing >> way with the intersection node tagged as highway=crossing. There's >> only a single physical crossing, so this seems

Re: [Tagging] Crossing tagged on both way and node (was: What does bicycle=no on a node means?)

2020-10-18 Thread Emvee via Tagging
On 16/10/2020 09:06, Richard Fairhurst wrote: It does not currently take any account of bicycle=no on a crossing, not least because bicycle=no is a very problematic tag - generally bicycle=dismount should be used instead, reserving bicycle=no for those circumstances where even pushing a bike is

Re: [Tagging] How are busways mapped, which are not guideways?

2020-10-18 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Oct 18, 2020, 08:08 by joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com: > There is an approved tag for bus guideways, where specially-designed buses > are guided by a rail: > > But how should ordinary busways be mapped? Right now the suggestion on > highway=bus_guideway is that other busways might be mapped

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

2020-10-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 18. Oct 2020, at 07:49, Volker Schmidt wrote: > >> Generally, I would propose to only tag crossing =* on the crossing node, but >> refrain from access like tags on this node (no bicycle or foot tags). The >> access should be derived from the crossing ways. > > >

Re: [Tagging] Crossing tagged on both way and node (was: What does bicycle=no on a node means?)

2020-10-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 18. Oct 2020, at 09:46, Emvee via Tagging > wrote: > > Routers do not need highway=crossing to detect crossings, every node > where 3 or more ways connect is a crossing. sure, but many highway=crossings are tagged on nodes where only 2 ways (or one going through)

Re: [Tagging] Proposal to change key:man_made to key:human_made

2020-10-18 Thread Rory McCann
Yeah changing this is a multi-year project, and *definitely* not something one does auomatically. On Sun, 18 Oct 2020, at 11:42 AM, Alan Mackie wrote: > This proposal requires the retagging of over 3 million objects, breaks > every existing rendering, editor and a huge amount of documentation

Re: [Tagging] How are busways mapped, which are not guideways?

2020-10-18 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Oct 18, 2020, 10:01 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: > > > > Oct 18, 2020, 08:08 by joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com: > >> There is an approved tag for bus guideways, where specially-designed buses >> are guided by a rail: >> >> But how should ordinary busways be mapped? Right now the suggestion on

Re: [Tagging] How are busways mapped, which are not guideways?

2020-10-18 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Oct 18, 2020, 09:58 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > sent from a phone > > >> On 18. Oct 2020, at 08:12, Joseph Eisenberg >> wrote: >> >> Right now the suggestion on highway=bus_guideway is that other busways might >> be mapped highway=service + bus=designated + access=no. (See >> >>

Re: [Tagging] Crossing tagged on both way and node (was: What does bicycle=no on a node means?)

2020-10-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 16. Oct 2020, at 09:32, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > generally bicycle=dismount should be used instead, reserving bicycle=no for > those circumstances where even pushing a bike is not legal (e.g. most public > footpaths in England & Wales). most bicycle=no tags out

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

2020-10-18 Thread Emvee via Tagging
Imagine I would add hgv=no or motorcycle=no tags to pedestrian crossings Is there a case where hgv use sidewalk together with pedestrians and cross road using crossing shared with a pedestrians? Is there a case of sidewalk where hgv are allowed but on crossing

Re: [Tagging] How are busways mapped, which are not guideways?

2020-10-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 18. Oct 2020, at 10:14, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > One more note: in some cases only specific buses are allowed (for example, > only public transport > buses operated by a municipal company, with private buses not allowed). > > In such case

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

2020-10-18 Thread Emvee via Tagging
On 18/10/2020 07:46, Volker Schmidt wrote: On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 09:46, Martin Koppenhoefer mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> wrote: Generally, I would propose to only tag crossing =* on the crossing node, but refrain from access like tags on this node (no bicycle or foot tags). The

Re: [Tagging] Crossing tagged on both way and node (was: What does bicycle=no on a node means?)

2020-10-18 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Oct 18, 2020, 10:17 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > sent from a phone > >> On 16. Oct 2020, at 09:32, Richard Fairhurst wrote: >> >> generally bicycle=dismount should be used instead, reserving bicycle=no for >> those circumstances where even pushing a bike is not legal (e.g. most public

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

2020-10-18 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Oct 18, 2020, 10:27 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: > On 18/10/2020 07:46, Volker Schmidt wrote: > >> On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 09:46, Martin Koppenhoefer <>> >> dieterdre...@gmail.com>> > wrote: >> >>> Generally, I would propose to only tagcrossing =* on >>>

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

2020-10-18 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Oct 18, 2020, 10:20 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: > > > Imagine I would add hgv=no or motorcycle=no tags to > pedestrian crossings > Is there a case where hgv use sidewalk together with pedestrians and cross road using crossing shared with a

Re: [Tagging] How are busways mapped, which are not guideways?

2020-10-18 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Oct 18, 2020, 10:20 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > sent from a phone > >> On 18. Oct 2020, at 10:14, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging >> wrote: >> >> One more note: in some cases only specific buses are allowed (for example, >> only public transport >> buses operated by a municipal company,

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

2020-10-18 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Oct 18, 2020, 01:53 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > sent from a phone > >> On 17. Oct 2020, at 21:01, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: >> >> Nevertheless some crossings were mapped using highway=cycleway and >> bicycle=no on crossing >> nodes, probably because it is much less fiddly to map it. >> >

Re: [Tagging] Proposal to change key:man_made to key:human_made

2020-10-18 Thread Rory McCann
On Thu, 15 Oct 2020, at 2:41 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > And all this effort achieve what? The liberation of all people from from gender roles  ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Proposal to change key:man_made to key:human_made

2020-10-18 Thread Mikko Tamura
Love this proposal! On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 5:11 PM Rory McCann wrote: > On Thu, 15 Oct 2020, at 2:41 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > And all this effort achieve what? > > The liberation of all people from from gender roles  > > > ___ > Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Proposal to change key:man_made to key:human_made

2020-10-18 Thread Alan Mackie
This proposal requires the retagging of over 3 million objects, breaks every existing rendering, editor and a huge amount of documentation in order to replace a term already generally considered gender neutral and easily found in dictionaries (including bilingual ones) with more awkward phrasing

Re: [Tagging] Proposal to change key:man_made to key:human_made

2020-10-18 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10/18/20 23:08, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > And the same applies to brains of people It appears to me that the end game in this is precisely that, to change the brains of people. OSM is just a means to and end in that quest. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail

Re: [Tagging] Proposal to change key:man_made to key:human_made

2020-10-18 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
18 paź 2020, 23:00 od graemefi...@gmail.com: > > > > > On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 at 20:39, Rory McCann <> r...@technomancy.org> > wrote: > >> *definitely* not something one does auomatically. >> > > But would it be so impossible? (Not suggesting that it should actually be > done!) > > Couldn't a

Re: [Tagging] Proposal to change key:man_made to key:human_made

2020-10-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am So., 18. Okt. 2020 um 23:02 Uhr schrieb Graeme Fitzpatrick < graemefi...@gmail.com>: > On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 at 20:39, Rory McCann wrote: > >> *definitely* not something one does auomatically. >> > > But would it be so impossible? (Not suggesting that it should actually be > done!) > > Couldn't

Re: [Tagging] How are busways mapped, which are not guideways?

2020-10-18 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Here's an example of an exclusive busway, which is only used by the Orange Line / G Line bus service in suburban Los Angeles: https://media.metro.net/riding/images/LinePage_orange_line_header.jpg The busway is a 2-lane paved surface which is exclusively for public transit buses. There is a

Re: [Tagging] How are busways mapped, which are not guideways?

2020-10-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am So., 18. Okt. 2020 um 20:25 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > Here's an example of an exclusive busway, which is only used by the Orange > Line / G Line bus service in suburban Los Angeles: > > https://media.metro.net/riding/images/LinePage_orange_line_header.jpg >

Re: [Tagging] Proposal to change key:man_made to key:human_made

2020-10-18 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Thanks everyone - all makes sense! Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Proposal to change key:man_made to key:human_made

2020-10-18 Thread Robert Delmenico
Some great points here. Good to hear the points of views of all of you. Look forward to hearing more feedback. Kind regards, Rob On Mon, 19 Oct 2020, 9:19 am Graeme Fitzpatrick, wrote: > > Thanks everyone - all makes sense! > > Graeme > > > > ___ >

Re: [Tagging] Proposal to change key:man_made to key:human_made

2020-10-18 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 at 20:39, Rory McCann wrote: > *definitely* not something one does auomatically. > But would it be so impossible? (Not suggesting that it should actually be done!) Couldn't a bot be set to simply find all cases of man_made=, regardless of what it is, & change them to

Re: [Tagging] Proposal to change key:man_made to key:human_made

2020-10-18 Thread Oliver Simmons
Doing this would make over 3M objects have their date updated to the present, when the last meaningful change may have been over 5 years ago. It creates the illusion of data being up-to-date when all that was changed was a tag key. On Sun, 18 Oct 2020, 22:02 Graeme Fitzpatrick, wrote: > > > >

Re: [Tagging] Proposal to change key:man_made to key:human_made

2020-10-18 Thread François Lacombe
Hi Le dim. 18 oct. 2020 à 16:25, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > > > sent from a phone > > > On 18. Oct 2020, at 12:39, Rory McCann wrote: > > > > Yeah changing this is a multi-year project, > > > generations... > Certainly, with the current tagging control plane. That would only took ~3 or

Re: [Tagging] Proposal to change key:man_made to key:human_made

2020-10-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 18. Oct 2020, at 12:39, Rory McCann wrote: > > Yeah changing this is a multi-year project, generations... Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging