Re: [Tagging] RFC: Names localization

2012-08-02 Thread André Pirard
Option 1 best because of compatibility but also this. It's very difficult to have the renderer synthesize some names. In Belgium, the law states that the name *must* be displayed in all the official languages of the place. For Brussels' streets, if there are two spellings, the names are

Re: [Tagging] Shark tagging

2012-08-02 Thread André Pirard
2012/8/2 Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com: I took this photo of a building across the street. How do you propose I tag it? http://www.emacsen.net/shark-bldg.jpg Tagging, tagging?  Like this, maybe? ;-)

Re: [Tagging] Bench as way. Was : Tagging amenity=waste_basket

2012-08-05 Thread André Pirard
On 2012-08-05 11:49,  Vincent Pottier wrote : But in my dictionnay, for the French "dossier", I find "back". No backrest. GoogleMaps, despite starting to be funny as soon as you put two words side by side, is often very interesting for a single one:

Re: [Tagging] Advice clarification of the railway tracks=* tag required.

2012-08-07 Thread André Pirard
On 2012-08-07 23:56,  Dave F. wrote : Hi A user in GB has been editing railway lines by adding tracks=4 even though each individual track has been mapped: www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/174899570 From the

Re: [Tagging] Advice clarification of the railway tracks=* tag required.

2012-08-08 Thread André Pirard
On 2012-08-08 18:46,  Dave F. wrote : The discussion has gone off on a tangent (as it always seems to do :) ). Back to the original point - Are we agreed that tracks=4 on each individual way to indicate the total number of tracks running side by side is

Re: [Tagging] Potale

2012-08-27 Thread André Pirard
On 2012-08-26 11:41,  Martin Koppenhoefer wrote : 2012/8/26 Michael Krämer ohr...@gmail.com: How about historic=wayside_shrine? Unfortunately my French is rather limited so I basically could only look at the pictures in the Wikipedia. But this

Re: [Tagging] name of river/admin area

2012-09-03 Thread André Pirard
On 2012-09-03 21:05,  Colin Smale wrote : Should the name=* for a river include the word "River"? Is it "name=Thames" or "name=River Thames"? According to the wiki [1] we should only use "Thames" in this case. If we consider "River Thames" to

Re: [Tagging] name of river/admin area

2012-09-05 Thread André Pirard
On 2012-09-05 17:17, Simone Saviolo wrote : [...] To complicate things even further, there are some rivers (fiume in Italian, which is masculine) that are commonly referred to as feminine: la Marcova, la Bormida, la Dora Riparia, la Dora Baltea, la Drava, la Senna; and it's still debated

Re: [Tagging] Ferry lines, ways or relations?

2012-09-05 Thread André Pirard
Nice howto example is Piraeus: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.9391lon=23.62165zoom=16 A single way through the harbor entrance (strait?), splitting both inside and outside. Couldn't find anything such in reputed high sea traffic NY. But yes, they have source=Bing ferries over there!!!

Re: [Tagging] Ferry lines, ways or relations?

2012-09-05 Thread André Pirard
On 2012-09-05 21:56,  Toby Murray wrote : On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:42 PM, André Pirard a_pir...@hotmail.com wrote: ... in reputed high sea traffic NY. But yes, they have source=Bing ferries [ways] over there!!! Must be Bing Road ;-) BTW, is Bing

Re: [Tagging] Fishing allowed?

2012-09-11 Thread André Pirard
On 2012-09-10 18:46, Jason Cunningham wrote : On 10 September 2012 14:05, Jonathan Bennett openstreet...@jonno.cix.co.uk mailto:openstreet...@jonno.cix.co.uk wrote: On 10/09/2012 12:36, te...@free.fr mailto:te...@free.fr wrote: I would like to store information about the legality

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (amenity=kennel)

2012-09-13 Thread André Pirard
In French, we'd use the word *garderie*, garder=keep, like for keeping children for a while after school. *Pet keeping* seems to only mean owning one at home. The word *crèche* is used for daytime keeping, that is, preliminary school. I see that /*pet crèche*/ is often used in English (most

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (amenity=kennel)

2012-09-13 Thread André Pirard
On 2012-09-13 23:38,  Steve Doerr wrote : On 13/09/2012 21:00, St Niklaas wrote: What about Asylum, for all animals and a tag for the spieces, cats, dags, horses or guinea pigs ? That word has different connotations in

[Tagging] access restrictions on ways

2012-09-17 Thread André Pirard
Hi, Summary: setting access restrictions on ways sometimes (often?) inappropriate Full story and conclusions: ... At 50.5308 5.5959, there's a C23 road sign (below) towards NW town Esneux. As understood with common sense, they don't want heavy

Re: [Tagging] access restrictions on ways

2012-09-17 Thread André Pirard
André. On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:55 PM, André Pirard a_pir...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, Summary: setting access restrictions on ways sometimes (often?) inappropriate

Re: [Tagging] access restrictions on ways

2012-09-17 Thread André Pirard
On 2012-09-17 16:57, David ``Smith'' wrote : Excuse me if I don't understand the situation entirely, but I think the problem is the actual access restriction or enforcement of it is different from a literal reading of the signs. This must be the case if the signs don't give adequate

Re: [Tagging] access restrictions on ways

2012-09-19 Thread André Pirard
Update. First, If I were asked, is there a map showing access restrictions? ;-) I've seen many showing speed limits, this and that, but I didn't spot any global one. I have been called by a Council secretary and I finally received an e-mail reply too. They asked what is that osm.org map? (I

Re: [Tagging] access restrictions on ways

2012-09-20 Thread André Pirard
On 2012-09-19 21:39, Martin Vonwald wrote : Am 19.09.2012 um 20:36 schrieb André Pirard a_pir...@hotmail.com: BTW, I'm wondering about that forward. If I understood you correct(!) this restriction should block traffic going in. If anyone manages to get into the town without passing

[Tagging] Longitudinal Zebra

2013-03-26 Thread André Pirard
Hi, I dig this because of the similar problem with different story and paint. This is the gate in a one-way school service road http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=50.5351mlon=5.628629zoom=18layers=M where parents drive and drop or pick the kids. Very wisely, the administration has painted

Re: [Tagging] Longitudinal Zebra

2013-03-27 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-03-26 15:41, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote : 2013/3/26 André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com Hi, I dig this because of the similar problem with different story and paint. This is the gate in a one-way school service road http

Re: [Tagging] place=neighbourhood

2013-03-29 Thread André Pirard
On 2012-12-17 19:11, A.Pirard.Papou wrote : On 2012-12-17 08:57, Michael Krämer wrote : Hi, 2012/12/17 A.Pirard.Papou a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com Have I, or rather JOSM, done anything wrong? I don't think so, I think the problem is on OSMI's side.

Re: [Tagging] place=neighbourhood

2013-03-30 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-03-30 10:42, Steve Doerr wrote : On 30/03/2013 01:46, André Pirard wrote: So, I have sent them an e-mail, I made the requested comment http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:OSM_Inspector/Views/Places on the appropriate discussion page I don't know why they've done it this way

[Tagging] railway=abandoned + highway=cycleway (was: [OSM-talk-be] Abandoned Railways / cycleways)

2013-04-16 Thread André Pirard
From OSM-talk-be, with best regards.  I put the questions before the replies ;-) On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 2:31 PM, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com

Re: [Tagging] foot=yes or bicycle=yes on track without other limitations?

2013-07-10 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-07-10 15:35, Maarten Deen wrote : Is there a deeper meaning of adding foot=yes or bicycle=yes to highway=track or highway=path without adding other limitations? I thought track and path are by default routable for foot and bicycle, so IMHO they

[Tagging] Using Nominatim/OSM as Thunderbird's Map display

2013-07-10 Thread André Pirard
Hi, xxx/PreferencesAdvancedConfig Editorswear set   mail.addr_book.mapit_url.format   to http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search.php?q=@A1,@A2,@CI,@ST,@CO (instead of: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=@A1%20@A2%20@CI%20@ST%20@ZI%20@CO) Restart

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses ... objects vs attributes

2013-07-23 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-07-21 14:06, Pieren wrote : On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 11:04 PM, Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at wrote: Adresses are attributes of physical objects, e.g. a parcel, a house, or a part of a house. Parcels can be merged and deleted,

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses ... objects vs attributes

2013-07-24 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-07-24 16:54, Ronnie Soak wrote : On 24 Jul 2013 16:44, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com mailto:jan...@gmail.com wrote I don't think we should be so inflexible with the object vs attribute. It depends on the context. If you are a data consumer, and are making a list of all

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses ... objects vs attributes

2013-07-25 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-07-25 10:54, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote : 2013/7/25 Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de on a side note some of the values above like swimming are currently under the

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-07-31 15:46, Volker Schmidt wrote : I am sure this has been asked many times before: How do I tag correctly a path/track/road that bears the label "access at your own risk" ? Volker Maybe by saying what the risk is?

[Tagging] waterway highway

2013-08-07 Thread André Pirard
Hi, The waterway=dam http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Dam definition is all well but it doesn't give a damn about what runs on top ;-) Can I have waterway=dam highway=* ? I feel like Osmose hides nearby ready to jump. The actual case I meet is one of a dam incorrectly tagged as a bridge. And I

Re: [Tagging] waterway highway

2013-08-08 Thread André Pirard
, which I like less because invisible, that would have been overlap compliment, even at different layers unless this will be accepted one day. https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/7788 See what I mean? Cheers, André. On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 7:13 PM, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com

Re: [Tagging] Hiking tracks as POIs in Brazil

2013-08-09 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-08-09 07:57, Henning Scholland wrote : Hi, I don't think that kind a sign with a label hiking path starts is a attraction. Maybe you are locking for something like this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:information%3Dguidepost Similar to this thread, my concern is that there's

Re: [Tagging] incline default unit ?

2013-08-12 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-08-12 10:15, Ronnie Soak wrote : Imho the original question was not about the scientific details of what is a "unit" or how to represent inclines, but simply if the "%" sign should be included in the tag value or not. Especially in

Re: [Tagging] incline default unit ?

2013-08-12 Thread André Pirard
at the same time ;-) I just found a more interesting subject ;-) Cheers, André. Mike On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Ronnie Soak chaoschaos0...@googlemail.com mailto:chaoschaos0...@googlemail.com wrote: 2013/8/12 André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com mailto:a.pirard.pa

[Tagging] road side

2013-08-18 Thread André Pirard
Hi, There are many wiki articles mentioning the road side and tagging what's on it, e. g.parking. But I couldn't find how to tag a plain road side itself. It is not part of the roadway (chaussée) but it's part of the public highway (voie publique). Often in

Re: [Tagging] road side

2013-08-19 Thread André Pirard
8-19 01:24, André Pirard wrote : It is not part of the roadway (chaussée) but it's part of the public highway (voie publique). Often in gravel, It is not a parking where cars are invited but cars may stop on it. It may be as wide as the roadway, often ex

Re: [Tagging] road side

2013-08-21 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-08-19 21:27, André Pirard wrote : On 2013-08-19 15:37, Tod Fitch wrote : On Aug 19, 2013, at 6:24 AM, Craig Wallace wrote: Sounds like you mean the shoulder. See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shoulder It should usually be tagged as an attribute on the highway, not mapped

Re: [Tagging] road side

2013-08-21 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-08-21 17:50, fly wrote : Am 21.08.2013 15:13, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Il giorno 21/ago/2013, alle ore 13:35, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com ha scritto: Pleas, do not start to tag these small areas as closedways/multipolygon. reasoning? It is clustering the map, hard to split

Re: [Tagging] road side

2013-08-22 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-08-21 11:31, Pieren wrote : On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:38 AM, André Pirard As there seems to be no tagging specific to the part of the public highway which is an area extending from its line (way) to the private properties, I made it an area with the same tagging

Re: [Tagging] road side

2013-08-23 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-08-22 14:59, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote : Il giorno 22/ago/2013, alle ore 14:34, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com ha scritto: this area is definitely mainly *suitable* for cars to use, and used as such, much as you would think of a rest area

[Tagging] funny tags: turning_radius

2013-08-29 Thread André Pirard
Hi, I was very surprised to come across that tag http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:turning_radius because I just commented it on the Osmand forum without knowing its existence. They (GPS speakers and speakerines) call a bend a sharp or slight turn according to the number of degrees in change

Re: [Tagging] funny tags: turning_radius

2013-08-29 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-08-29 16:57, Colin Smale wrote : Won't the calculated radius depend on the number of points on the way, and the width of the road? If you look closely at the geometry of a curved road in OSM it is of course made up of straight segments with a certain angle between them. A right angle

Re: [Tagging] funny tags: turning_radius

2013-08-29 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-08-29 20:08, fly wrote : On 29.08.2013 16:33, Pieren wrote: On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 4:07 PM, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: I was very surprised to come across that tag http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:turning_radius I

Re: [Tagging] owner vs operator

2013-09-03 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-09-03 12:59, François Lacombe wrote : Hi, There are really fancy problems to discuss these days... Since there is an

Re: [Tagging] funny tags: turning_radius

2013-09-05 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-09-04 15:50, Ronnie Soak wrote : 2013/8/30 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org mailto:frede...@remote.org Hi, On 29.08.2013 16:07, André Pirard wrote: This tag was created for the specific needs of logging [to tell which timbering vehicle can pass a bend] More

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk-be] mailing list good practice (user's and software's)

2013-09-19 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-09-17 01:40, Glenn Plas wrote : On 2013-09-17 01:02, André Pirard wrote: On 2013-09-16 11:52, Glenn Plas wrote : If you want to be serious about this then a new topic should be initiated by sending a new mail instead of a reply with a new subject. Every decent mailclient out

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk-be] mailing list good practice (user's and software's)

2013-09-19 Thread André Pirard
who prefer not to click On 2013-09-17 13:23, ael wrote : On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 01:02:23AM +0200, André Pirard wrote: On 2013-09-16 11:52, Glenn Plas wrote : If you want to be serious about this then a new topic should be initiated by sending a new mail instead of a reply with a new subject

Re: [Tagging] waterfall

2013-09-25 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-09-24 20:07, bredy wrote : Why there'are two method for tagging waterfall? I see waterway=waterfall and natural=waterfall. The first had a page osm very poor and the second is proposed feature, but abbandoned. Can we take a solution? We have already discussed those inconsistencies

Re: [Tagging] Visual editor for the wiki (WAS: How to overcome lack of consensus)

2013-09-27 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-09-17 21:49, Rob Nickerson wrote : Daniel wrote: - Make it easier to edit the wiki. Hi Daniel, I agree - the wiki can be hard to edit if you have never done this before. This is why I requested a visual editor (that is now used by Wikipedia) to be added. Unfortunately this

Re: [Tagging] Hiking route abandoned

2013-09-28 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-09-28 14:09, bredy wrote : I have one hiking route with relation that was abandoned by the operator. Now do I have to cancell the relation or for the moment is better to tag abandoned:ref= and abandoned:operator= in the relation? Thanks It probably depends on its popularity, on the

Re: [Tagging] Visual editor for the wiki (WAS: How to overcome lack of consensus)

2013-09-28 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-09-27 13:51, André Pirard wrote : On 2013-09-17 21:49, Rob Nickerson wrote : Daniel wrote: - Make it easier to edit the wiki. Hi Daniel, I agree - the wiki can be hard to edit if you have never done this before. This is why I requested a visual editor (that is now used

Re: [Tagging] Visual editor for the wiki (WAS: How to overcome lack of consensus)

2013-09-28 Thread André Pirard
Ouch, from LibreOffice menu and help, it looks like it's only able to store a wiki file, not to read and edit it. Pretty much useless. André. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Visual editor for the wiki (WAS: How to overcome lack of consensus)

2013-09-28 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-09-29 00:50, Clifford Snow wrote : On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 12:38 PM, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: Only gotcha, I think: recent Ubuntu comes with a desktop called Unity which is very resource consuming, dancing but not singing

[Tagging] opening-hours: how to code always but...? Syntax diagram.

2013-10-19 Thread André Pirard
Hi, I've had multiple difficulties described here https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/9085 coding a simple opening-hours always except one period. OpeningHoursEdit bugs and not finding how to represent always after reading the whole lot several times. Normally, always is 24/7 but I suspect

Re: [Tagging] Waterway river vs stream

2013-10-19 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-10-19 22:37, Philip Barnes wrote : On Sat, 2013-10-19 at 22:13 +0200, Christoph Hormann wrote: On Saturday 19 October 2013, Jonathan wrote: It seems a river is something that has a source and a mouth (either where it joins the sea, lake or a larger river). So I would say that only

Re: [Tagging] opening-hours: how to code always but...? Syntax diagram.

2013-10-19 Thread André Pirard
Hi, Thanks for your replies. On 2013-10-19 22:54, Janko Mihelić wrote : I think the best solution for your problem is: 24/7;Fr 00:00-14:00,22:00-24:00 I wouldn't use off, I'm not sure a lot of data consumers consider it. OK, I changed the diagram to accept 24/7 that way. But not using off

Re: [Tagging] opening-hours: how to code always but...? Syntax diagram.

2013-10-20 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-10-19 22:30, André Pirard wrote : Hi, I've had multiple difficulties described here coding a simple opening-hours "always except one period". OpeningHoursEdit bugs and not finding how to represent "always

Re: [Tagging] opening-hours: how to code always but...? Syntax diagram.

2013-10-21 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-10-21 19:07, Eckhart Wörner wrote : Hi André, Am Sonntag, 20. Oktober 2013, 19:19:35 schrieb André Pirard: No, that is completely wrong. 24/7 is *not* meant to be used as a building block. Where is that explained and is it correctly explained if readers understand it completely

Re: [Tagging] New feature: amenity=creche

2013-11-03 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-11-03 14:31, Gilbert Hangartner wrote : Hi there, I wrote a proposal to correctly tag "Crèches" or "Childcare-centres" or "Daycare-centrers" or "Kindertagesstätte". Thank you in advance for your comments and thoughts.

Re: [Tagging] New feature: amenity=creche

2013-11-03 Thread André Pirard
of a few bugs here and there. Just as the renderer must be fixed, they say, so must the bugs. Cordialement, Papou. Am 03.11.2013 um 15:44 schrieb André Pirard: On 2013-11-03 14:31, Gilbert Hangartner wrote : Hi there, I wrote a proposal to correctly tag Crèches or Childcare-centres

Re: [Tagging] opening-hours: how to code always but...? Syntax diagram.

2013-11-06 Thread André Pirard
On 14:16, 6 November 2013 (UTC), [[User:Ypid|Ypid]] wrote : I am not sure if we need two syntax diagrams. Sorry that the syntax diagram I added to the Wiki ([[Key:opening_hours:specification]]) was not so obvious. Oh yes, OSM taggers badly need an easier to read syntax diagram. I spent more

Re: [Tagging] opening-hours: how to code always but...? Syntax diagram.

2013-11-06 Thread André Pirard
Following my message that my Simplified Opening Hours syntax diagram http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening_hours#Simplified_syntax_diagram is needed for taggers to achieve 95% of such tags correctly in a reasonable time and, most of all, that data consumers understand what they tagged, I

Re: [Tagging] Visual editor for the wiki (WAS: How to overcome lack of consensus)

2013-11-11 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-09-29 01:40, Clifford Snow wrote : I wonder if anyone actually uses LibreOffice for wiki pages [visual edition]. Learning wiki markdown takes a while. I can certainly see the desire to have a visual editor. A visual editor could lower the bar for contributions.

[Tagging] opening-hours off closed

2013-11-28 Thread André Pirard
Hi, I had to tag the simplest thing there is: a parking lot closed a few hours on Fridays (during market time). On wiki.osm.org/wiki/Opening_hours, I found explanations by, rather than a simple diagram, a lot of examples and explanations sometimes nearing slang

Re: [Tagging] opening-hours off closed

2013-11-29 Thread André Pirard
Hi Eckhart, On 2013-11-28 20:45, Eckhart Wörner wrote : Okay, here is a (probably incomplete) list: - the meaning of off is wrong And, once again, what is the correct meaning? I wrote before that this keyword is defined nowhere in [the rest of] the page. When I discussed my tagging problem,

[Tagging] noexit

2013-12-03 Thread André Pirard
Hi, noexit http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:noexit=yes, apparently corresponding to this dead end signal, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Road_signs_in_Belgium#F45 is said to be used at the end of a highway http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway=* to indicate that there no

Re: [Tagging] Propose the tag shop=military_surplus

2013-12-05 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-12-05 12:16, SomeoneElse wrote : Axelos wrote: I proposed the tag shop=military_surplus for the shops selling used military equipment. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Military_surplus my english is limited ... We did not notice (limited). If you think that it makes sense to tag

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Religious Places that belongs to multiple Religion

2014-01-13 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-01-13 10:50, Zecke wrote : Am 13.01.2014 10:28, schrieb Pieren: On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote: Just use the semi-colon to separate the values: religion=religion1;religion2;;religionX This is the short answer. But we have seen in the

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Religious Places that belongs to multiple Religion

2014-01-14 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-01-13 23:42, Zecke wrote : Am 13.01.2014 23:18, schrieb André Pirard: I also would feel like accepting the semicolon, but after thinking twice I notice that religion=religion1;religion2;;religion denomination=denomination1;denomination2 would become even more problematic already

Re: [Tagging] hazards (was: Feature Proposal - RFC - trafficability)

2014-01-16 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-01-13 14:53, Pieren wrote : On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 1:47 PM, BGNO BGNO bgno2...@gmail.com wrote: The information which people gave me about the mentioned 20km long road was: Yes you can use the road with a regular car if it doesn't rain. I think it is practicable to tag that

Re: [Tagging] hazards

2014-01-17 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-01-17 11:07, Gerald Weber wrote : I think that they generically belong to Proposed features/hazard  of which the article in the discussion is very eloquent regarding

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an imaginary oneway barrier

2014-02-01 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-02-01 10:05, Pee Wee wrote : On the Dutch forum http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=394396#p394396 there is some discussion on how to tag a common situation. It is about a street that has no traffic sign on one end (side A) and a C6 sign

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an imaginary oneway barrier

2014-02-02 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-02-02 08:56, Colin Smale wrote : On 2014-02-02 02:15, André Pirard wrote: On 2014-02-01 17:39, Colin Smale wrote : On 2014-02-01 17:30, Masi Master wrote: Normally traffic signs belongs to the road to the next intersection/crossing. That depends on the country - different

[Tagging] Reliable OSM routing (was: How to tag an imaginary oneway barrier)

2014-02-09 Thread André Pirard
Hi, I left this unsent for some time, so it may duplicate what has already been said. But it's uttermost important. On 2014-02-05 07:44, Kytömaa Lauri wrote : Bryce Nesbitt wrote: does not represent what's on the

Re: [Tagging] wikidata instead of wikipedia

2014-02-23 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-02-22 00:32, ueliw0 wrote : Hi, with wikidata now operational, I was wondering if it would make sense to use (tag) wikidata items instead of the wikipedia links. Why instead and not in addition to? Everybody proponent would be happy and, if that must happen, the best would win

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium

2014-02-25 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-02-25 12:02, Pieren wrote : On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com wrote: I'd suggest tourism=planetarium might be the best choice; but all of the suggestions are fine really! Like museum, it is something

[Tagging] closing-hours

2014-02-25 Thread André Pirard
Hi, I had to tag several parking lots closed on times such as Fr 14:00-22:00 when the market took place there. I raised a convoluted discussion: everyone had a different opinion about that tagging, plus strange comments (*). After more than 10 hours spent in

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium

2014-02-25 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-02-25 16:00, Richard Welty wrote : On 2/25/14 9:08 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: Educational as they might be, it seems that the primary use of planetariums from what I've seen is to get high and watch laser light shows. I vote leisure=planetarium. clearly not everyone has been there to

Re: [Tagging] closing-hours

2014-02-26 Thread André Pirard
4:00-22:00  cannot be disputed. Cheers, André. no need for an extra tag. Also keep in mind that two tags opening_hours and closing_hours are error prone when used both together at the same object. regards Peter Am 25.0

Re: [Tagging] closing-hours

2014-02-26 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-02-26 13:24, Robin `ypid` Schneider wrote : On 26.02.2014 12:45, André Pirard wrote: -1 : open : it's an invention It was introduced by Netzwolf some years ago because it is needed as rule_modifier (when used together with a comment). It is now used over 150 times to do exactly

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - drinkable

2014-02-27 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-02-27 08:32, Dave Swarthout wrote : No objection. I equate the term drinkable with potable. The latter is a weird sounding term, to me at least, but is the one in common use in the United States to designate water sources that are safe to drink from. potable comes from Latin potare (to

[Tagging] Relation:associatedStreet: house or address? factorizing?

2014-03-13 Thread André Pirard
Hi, How great to finally more than an empty page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:associatedStreet !!! But now, if that relation factorizes (2) street name shouldn't it factorize addr: city, country, postcode too? Shouldn't those keys be allowed in the relation? Shouldn't those who

Re: [Tagging] Relation:associatedStreet: house or address? factorizing?

2014-03-13 Thread André Pirard
? ;-) Cheers, André. Jo 2014-03-13 15:00 GMT+01:00 André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com: Hi, How great to finally more than an empty page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:associatedStreet !!! But now, if that relation factorizes (2

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - amenity=Boat_sharing

2014-03-13 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-03-13 14:20, nounours77 wrote : Dear all, the proposal is now open for voting. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/boat_sharing The idea is to create a tag for boat sharing communities, just in analogy of the existing and well accepted tag amenity=car_sharing.

Re: [Tagging] opening-hours and closing-hours (was: Feature Proposal - Voting - opening hours holiday select)

2014-03-14 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-03-13 19:06, Pieren wrote : On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 6:37 PM, Robin `ypid` Schneider ypi...@aol.de wrote: It's unclear if your proposal is opening_hours=SH(summer holiday) or opening_hours=SH (then you should correct the wiki because the tag template is using the first version) I

Re: [Tagging] layer=-1, rivers, bridges and tunnels

2014-03-15 Thread André Pirard
Hi, I wonder why we make bridges split and split and split the roads. In reality, bridges are pieces of concrete or stonework at level -1 under an uninterrupted foil of tarmac at level 0. Or at level 0 if it's understood that the renderer knows what's a bridge. And the renderer knows, as it draws

Re: [Tagging] Opinion on meaning of tracktype, smoothness and surface for routing

2014-03-20 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-03-16 22:37, Fernando Trebien wrote : Hello, Following from this conclusion (https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2014-March/016904.html), I'm now trying to find a way to use tracktype, smoothness and surface to improve routing quality. For an

Re: [Tagging] Opinion on meaning of tracktype, smoothness and surface for routing

2014-03-21 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-03-20 15:29, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote : 2014-03-20 15:02 GMT+01:00 André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com: Following a gentle dispute on OSM-talk-be about the class of a particular

Re: [Tagging] fundamental structured tagging principles (was: ... amenity=boat_sharing)

2014-03-29 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-03-29 13:41, nounours77 wrote : Hi everybody, As discussed in my earlier post, I think voting is important even for specific service tags to make them offical. Therefore, I extend the voting period for the boat_sharing proposal:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting Extended - amenity=boat_sharing

2014-03-30 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-03-29 14:13, SomeoneElse wrote : On 29/03/2014 12:41, nounours77 wrote: As discussed in my earlier post, I think voting is important even for specific service tags to make them offical. Not really - OSM

Re: [Tagging] natural=cloud

2014-04-01 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-04-01 19:08, Pierre Knobel wrote : Hi all, I'm new on this mailing list, but I spend a few months already on the talk-fr list and I've been mapping for a while longer. I just wanted to mention a new tag I created yesterday: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dcloud I

Re: [Tagging] Issues relating to URIs and tagging

2014-04-01 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-04-01 17:29, Andy Mabbett wrote : Hello everyone, This is my first post to the list, which I've just joined, but I've been a mapper for a few years and some of you might remember me as compere at last year's State of the Map. Yesterday, I met with the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Wikidata

2014-04-01 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-04-01 23:17, Tobias Knerr wrote : On 01.04.2014 19:04, Andy Mabbett wrote: I commend this proposal to the list: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Wikidata I like Wikidata and therefore want to see this proposal approved. :) What I'm interested in, though: If an

Re: [Tagging] What is OSM: a base layer for individual maps, or a fully featured geobased information system?

2014-04-02 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-03-30 13:50, Frederik Ramm wrote : Hi, On 29.03.2014 13:41, nounours77 wrote: BUT: I asked OsmAnd to render the tag, and the answer was - quite understandable: /Only officially supported tags will be rendered/. This is silly. How do they define officially supported tag? There's no

Re: [Tagging] Ticket for JOSM to read contact metadata closed

2014-04-02 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-04-02 19:37, Tobias Knerr wrote : On 02.04.2014 19:25, Andy Mabbett wrote: (...) I don't understand the reason given: This format seems not to be used much. Too much work for too little gain. not least since I specifically referred to an hCard microformat or some other

Re: [Tagging] noexit, aka noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-04 Thread André Pirard
wrote : Am 03.12.2013 14:48, schrieb André Pirard: ... I agree to: This tag is - not necessary for routing - senseless on ways - only useful on nodes (the last one, where no other way is connected) The wiki should be changed, especially the use on ways should

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-04 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-04-04 16:14, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote : On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:54 AM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: On 03.04.2014 21:22, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote: On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:17 PM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: Is noexit=yes useful on ways ? The way has one side

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-04 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-04-04 17:35, Pieren wrote : On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Nelson A. de Oliveira nao...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:54 AM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: If it is accepted, I gonna hange the wiki accordingly and gonna ask a for validator checks in JOSM, as we

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-05 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-04-06 00:07, John F. Eldredge wrote : If you don't use noexit=yes on ways, what do you use it on? How do you understand "Use the noexit=yes tag on the node at the end of a highway=* ..."? If you read the wiki page very very carefully, you

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-08 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-04-04 17:35, Pieren wrote : On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Nelson A. de Oliveira nao...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:54 AM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: If it is accepted, I gonna hange the wiki accordingly and gonna ask a for validator checks in JOSM, as we

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