Re: [Tagging] Proposal - RFC - man_made=lamp

2013-11-03 Thread Andy Townsend
On 03/11/13 13:52, Manuel Hohmann wrote: You can find the full proposal for a unified lamp tagging here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/lamp This tagging has evolved from a thorough discussion in the German OSM forum:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - trafficability

2014-01-03 Thread Andy Townsend
On 03/01/14 16:06, Volker Schmidt wrote: I first reacted in the same way (is it an English word at all?). But then I looked it up on Wikipedia. There it is, since 2006(!), with correct Google translations in several other languages. Well, the English wikipedia is also used by people whose

Re: [Tagging] Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2014-01-03 Thread Andy Townsend
On 03/01/14 19:56, Fernando Trebien wrote: Well, when proposing this, I'm trying to avoid these problems: - the set of paved and the set of unpaved surfaces is not closed, and so it would require us to continuously update Carto with new surface types I'm a bit confused by what you mean by

Re: [Tagging] access=designated wiki

2015-07-28 Thread Andy Townsend
On 28/07/2015 17:35, Hubert wrote: FYI: I just took the liberty of changing the highway=footway definition back to the pre Feb 18th Version. \o/ Thanks for that. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Help undoing an admin level 3 edit to Japan

2015-08-11 Thread Andy Townsend
On 11/08/2015 12:30, johnw wrote: A few months ago, someone enabled admin level 3 on regional boundaries in Japan. This is an error, but I don’t know how to deal with it. The first thing that I'd do would be to find the change that introduced the problem, identify the mapper concerned

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-06 Thread Andy Townsend
On 06/08/2015 10:48, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 06.08.2015 um 11:18 schrieb Andy Townsend ajt1...@gmail.com: Imagine in that example that bicycle access was permissive rather than yes - how would you tag that? bicycle=permissive How would anyone know that this highway=path was actually

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-06 Thread Andy Townsend
On 06/08/2015 12:15, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: a cycleway is nothing physical, it is a legal setting. Or what do you mean with physically? ... since we seem to have dipped into highway=path again :) The English word cycleway refers to a physical object - which archetype is

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-07 Thread Andy Townsend
‎Whilst hstore will make keys available, it won't make the SQL to use a plethora of new keys any less horrible. The code to handle certain highway=path as either cycleways and footways is more convoluted than it would otherwise be already. Something like lua processing of keys at import would

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-06 Thread Andy Townsend
On 06/08/2015 09:28, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 06.08.2015 um 03:50 schrieb johnw jo...@mac.com: If I have a cycleway that is built to cycleway specs (paved, rounded turns, lanes, and no stairs), but peds are still allowed, then it is a cycleway with foot access =yes I would never

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-06 Thread Andy Townsend
On 06/08/2015 10:24, John Willis wrote: On Aug 6, 2015, at 5:28 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: is it a highway? Tags are not always 1:1 representations of (all) the meaning(s) of the words in natural language. When we have footway, cycleway, bridleway, steps, track, and

Re: [Tagging] access=designated wiki

2015-07-25 Thread Andy Townsend
On 25/07/2015 13:43, Hubert wrote: Am 24. Juli 2015 um 17:50 schrieb Heiko Eckenreiter [mailto:heiko.eckenrei...@gmx.net] : Am 24.07.2015 um 17:24 schrieb Hubert: But only the way with the traffic sign will be tagged with bicycle=designated, foot=designated using the definition in the

Re: [Tagging] Highway proposed/planned distinction

2015-07-14 Thread Andy Townsend
On 14/07/2015 18:23, Daniel Koć wrote: Hi, We're about to abandon rendering highway=proposed in the osm-carto (default OSM map style), but we think it's still good to show those which are closer to be really constructed: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/1654 Is

Re: [Tagging] waterway=derelict_canal

2015-08-24 Thread Andy Townsend
On 23/08/2015 16:32, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: To people using this tag: please, update and clarify documentation of this tag on OSM wiki. For example it is even unclear whatever it should be expected that it can be applied to canals no longer filled with water. used for transportation,

Re: [Tagging] how to tag a "highway" that doesn't exist?

2015-10-23 Thread Andy Townsend
On 23/10/2015 14:34, GerdP wrote: Andy Townsend wrote Now, as so many before, I try to find a good tag to express this. Using a line with only a note tag is no good idea as QA tools will not like them. I'd suggest that if a QA tool objects to that, it's a problem with that QA tool. :) Well

Re: [Tagging] how to tag a "highway" that doesn't exist?

2015-10-22 Thread Andy Townsend
On 22/10/2015 11:18, Colin Smale wrote: On 2015-10-22 11:27, Andy Townsend wrote: I'd agree with that. I can think of more than a few examples of "the road/path used to go here, but now it doesn't", and even if the imagery gets updated, underlying GPS traces won't. Has anyo

Re: [Tagging] how to tag a "highway" that doesn't exist?

2015-10-22 Thread Andy Townsend
On 22/10/2015 06:29, GerdP wrote: Hi all, I've contacted a few mappers and it seems that there is a need to keep some of the ways for the reason described by Mateusz below. I'd agree with that. I can think of more than a few examples of "the road/path used to go here, but now it doesn't",

Re: [Tagging] tunnel=culvert

2015-10-28 Thread Andy Townsend
On 25/10/2015 15:06, Richard wrote: agreed. But this is open-STREET-map so perhaps the streets should be fixed first. Does not make much sense to map culverts with sub-meter precission while freeways are still linear ways. I'd respectively disagree with that - this is open-STREET-map in name

Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in favor of relations

2015-11-08 Thread Andy Townsend
On 07/11/2015 23:02, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Are multiple relations for (pieces of) the same route really a big problem? We could have multiple relations until they meet and then merge them. The problem isn't that we can't merge multiple relations later, it's that we can't stop them

Re: [Tagging] amenity=bicycle_repair_station

2015-11-13 Thread Andy Townsend
On 10/11/2015 02:41, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: amenity=bicycle_repair_station has a problem: it's attracting lots of active tagging of shops offering bicycle repair. For example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3772809894 and http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/337421757 That was not the intent.

Re: [Tagging] amenity=bicycle_repair_station

2015-11-10 Thread Andy Townsend
On 10/11/2015 02:41, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: amenity=bicycle_repair_station has a problem: it's attracting lots of active tagging of shops offering bicycle repair. For example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3772809894 and http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/337421757 Have you asked why? I

Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in favor of relations

2015-11-06 Thread Andy Townsend
On 06/11/2015 13:44, Paul Johnson wrote: On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Andy Townsend <ajt1...@gmail.com <mailto:ajt1...@gmail.com>> wrote: Obviously in places where a road can have multiple equivalent references (such as the US) route relations perfect sense (as does

Re: [Tagging] Access tags (general question, but mostly regarding bicycle)

2015-08-28 Thread Andy Townsend
On 28/08/2015 13:15, Anders Fougner wrote: So we should consider replacing the tagging scheme with one which isn't misunderstood so easily. The use of access:foot=*, access:bicycle=* has been proposed at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/access_restrictions_1.5#Namespace

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-28 Thread Andy Townsend
On 28/08/2015 13:45, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: as path can be sub tagged to be the same as bridleway or cycleway and excluding pedestrians, this is simply not true No, it can't. It _can_ be sub-tagged to have the same _access_ restrictions_ as a bridleway and cycleway, sure, and you could

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-28 Thread Andy Townsend
On 28/08/2015 15:18, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: horse=designated That's an access tag. Are you saying that access tags convey physical characteristics somehow? In the absence of any other evidence you might assume that because I can legally ride my horse / bicycle / drive my car down

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-28 Thread Andy Townsend
On 28/08/2015 17:28, ksg wrote: Am 28.08.2015 um 16:18 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: sent from a phone Am 28.08.2015 um 15:01 schrieb Andy Townsend ajt1...@gmail.com: No, it can't. It _can_ be sub-tagged to have the same _access_ restrictions_ as a bridleway

Re: [Tagging] waterway=derelict_canal

2015-08-26 Thread Andy Townsend
On 26/08/2015 12:51, Dave F. wrote: Sub tags such as disused=yes have always been the way to describe additional attributes of an entity. It's even the syntax used by XML: you collect all 'waterway=canal' items then manipulate that selection set. If programmers don't notice then, quite

Re: [Tagging] waterway=derelict_canal

2015-08-26 Thread Andy Townsend
On 26/08/2015 13:44, Dave F. wrote: On 25/08/2015 23:20, Paul Norman wrote: On 8/24/2015 3:35 PM, Andy Townsend wrote: That's not so bad in lua, but imagine writing ... and not disused=yes into every cartocss rule! Fortunately, we will not have to do that in OpenStreetMap Carto, as we

Re: [Tagging] waterway=derelict_canal

2015-08-27 Thread Andy Townsend
On 27/08/2015 12:15, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: There's no point in a disused:foo=bar namespace. That's either historical mapping or hiding from the renderer, both of which are wrong in OSM. Er, no. A disused:amenity=pub is something that still exists in its own right; it's a building that

Re: [Tagging] Proposed mechanical edit: surface=soil to surface=dirt

2015-08-31 Thread Andy Townsend
On 31/08/15 11:33, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 10:35:24 +0100 "ajt1...@gmail.com" wrote: There are 32 in the UK, by only 2 mappers (both still active but edits are from many years ago). Extrapolating that there have only been probably only 25 mappers

Re: [Tagging] Handle with care

2015-09-10 Thread Andy Townsend
On 09/09/2015 22:39, moltonel wrote: Please run experiments like this on a test db, not on the main one. It's easy to point your editor to dev.openstreetmap.org for example (quoting from memory, not 100% sure). While that's a good idea (the test URL I use for such things is

Re: [Tagging] Pubs with accommodation

2015-09-28 Thread Andy Townsend
On 28/09/2015 15:24, Georg Feddern wrote: Am 28.09.2015 um 14:46 schrieb Andy Townsend: Depends on the pub, I'd say. Some places are both a hotel and a pub, some have essentially separate "hotel" and "pub" bits (for which 2 nodes within a building might work)

Re: [Tagging] Pubs with accommodation

2015-09-28 Thread Andy Townsend
On 28/09/2015 12:45, Philip Barnes wrote: On Mon Sep 28 12:09:29 2015 GMT+0100, Dave F. wrote: Hi How should public houses (inns) that provide accommodation be tagged? 'Accommodation=*' with only 249 examples doesn't appear to to be the tag to use. Is it acceptable to combine amenity=pub &

Re: [Tagging] Public buildings

2016-01-09 Thread Andy Townsend
‎With a "data consumer" hat on, I did look at the usage of "amenity=public_building" in the UK over Christmas. I really wasn't able to read anything into it - its use locally included public toilets and "government functions" that are actually outsourced to a third-party, as well as the

[Tagging] Suggested tagging (was: bicycle=use_sidepath applicable to bicycle lanes?)

2015-11-26 Thread Andy Townsend
On 26/11/2015 10:35, Volker Schmidt wrote: Two situtions where I have doubts on correct tagging In addition to the textual answers already provided, I'd certainly find it really useful if people could link to an area that is already mapped and tagged as per a particular suggestion. As well

Re: [Tagging] Relevance or otherwise of the wiki

2015-11-24 Thread Andy Townsend
On 24/11/2015 16:47, Gerd Petermann wrote: Gerd Petermann wrote Andy Townsend wrote On 20/11/2015 18:49, Gerd Petermann wrote: What am I getting wrong here? Did someone remove the preferred way of tagging from the wiki and nobody noticed it for years? It doesn't surprise me that something

Re: [Tagging] amenity=bicycle_repair_station

2015-11-30 Thread Andy Townsend
tried to import in the UK, your bicycle repair station import was both of those things. Mechanical edits without proper consideration are also unhelpful; please don't do that too. Best Regards, Andy Townsend (SomeoneElse) ___ Tagging mailing lis

Re: [Tagging] RFC - tag: office=adoption_agency

2015-11-30 Thread Andy Townsend
ike in OSM; they aren't restricted to "proposed" or "accepted" ones. Best Regards, Andy Townsend (SomeoneElse) * http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=adoption#values ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://li

[Tagging] Relevance or otherwise of the wiki (was: improve tagging of traffic_calming)

2015-11-22 Thread Andy Townsend
On 20/11/2015 18:49, Gerd Petermann wrote: What am I getting wrong here? Did someone remove the preferred way of tagging from the wiki and nobody noticed it for years? It doesn't surprise me that something documented with certainty in the wiki simply doesn't describe what mappers actually

Re: [Tagging] Question reg. wheelchair mapping

2016-01-08 Thread Andy Townsend
On 08/01/2016 08:45, Gerd Petermann wrote: I'd like to see that the existing highway=access_ramp are changed to the well known highway=footway wheelchair=yes in combination with incline=x% The explicit "wheelchair=yes" would definitely be needed with those tags as they don't make it

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - recycling:coffee_capsules

2016-01-12 Thread Andy Townsend
On 12/01/2016 20:37, Ulrich Meier wrote: ... So here's the voting. I hope you agree with me... https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/recycling:coffee_capsules Is it really worth explicitly voting on? "recycling:blah" is well established already:

Re: [Tagging] Subject: Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=social_path

2016-06-13 Thread Andy Townsend
On 13/06/2016 06:17, John Willis wrote: Something, *anything* to separate hiking trails from sidewalks and other footways. It is, in the literal meaning of the word, incomprehensible to me that there is no way to separate sidewalks and hiking routes. You could start with a "surface" tag...

Re: [Tagging] Subject: Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=social_path

2016-06-15 Thread Andy Townsend
On 15/06/2016 15:03, John Willis wrote: On Jun 15, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: if two paths have identical surface and width characteristics The issue I have is that they do not have similar characteristics, yet get rendered the

Re: [Tagging] Subject: Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=social_path

2016-06-15 Thread Andy Townsend
On 15/06/2016 13:10, John Willis wrote: So SAC scale and being outside a park polygon/relation is good enough to allow a data consumer and the folks over in -carto to render a "footway" and a "trail" differently and reliably enough? What happens when I have a strong mix of =pedestrian,

Re: [Tagging] Laundromat and parcel box (vending machines)

2016-06-16 Thread Andy Townsend
On 16/06/2016 16:42, Daniel Koć wrote: W dniu 16.06.2016 17:30, Martin Koppenhoefer napisał(a): are you tagging single washing machines or businesses where they can be found? Is this about indoor mapping? Outdoor, definitely =} :

Re: [Tagging] Voting rules

2016-02-23 Thread Andy Townsend
On 23/02/2016 10:33, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: It was provisionally rejected with 40 votes for, 18 votes against and 4 abstentions. Approval rate: 68.97%. Less than required 74% so provisional rejection; proposer to make final call. The tricky bit of course is that those percentages are

Re: [Tagging] Voting rules

2016-02-23 Thread Andy Townsend
On 23/02/2016 12:32, markus schnalke wrote: Aren't the ones who vote those who care for what the actual tagging is? As we've seen in at least one answer in this thread already, they've never actually mapped one but do "care about tagging" (i.e. in this case they want to tell _other people_

Re: [Tagging] Removing name_1 and alt_name_1 from Wiki

2016-01-19 Thread Andy Townsend
On 19/01/2016 18:02, Hakuch wrote: On 10.01.2016 22:29, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: Actually to my human eyes, both semicolons and suffixes are equally ugly (but pragmatic). It's for processing that suffixes are supperior: * Spliting by semicolons (no regexp needed :p) is easy but naive, because

Re: [Tagging] Tagging problem for a river running in a culvert below a track / wiki votes enforcement

2016-01-25 Thread Andy Townsend
On 25/01/2016 13:40, David Marchal wrote: ... it isn't a bridge, ... Would 2 separate riverbank polygons, separated by the culvert, perhaps by more "correct" here? Cheers, Andy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Tagging scrap yards, junkyards

2016-01-20 Thread Andy Townsend
On 20/01/2016 17:19, Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 20 January 2016 at 02:03, Dave Swarthout > wrote: I'm trying to decide how to tag what we in the U.S. refer to as junkyards. ... Would amenity=waste_transfer_station be

Re: [Tagging] wetland=bog, why only "receive their water and nutrients from rainfall"?

2016-01-24 Thread Andy Townsend
What does "fen" means to you? I've a fairly good idea what I think it means, and I'd never or almost never tag it as a natural feature (though it may have a name, and the natural features within it may have names). I'm a native English speaker (though not native to a fenland area).. Could you

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Remove name_1 and alt_name_1 from wiki)

2016-01-26 Thread Andy Townsend
On 26/01/2016 19:16, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: In my experience name, name:en, old_name, alt_name, alt_name:ru etc etc etc were always sufficient. An example where multivalue names are truly necessary would be interesting. Here's a brief summary of where I think that what we have now for names

Re: [Tagging] Tagging scrap yards, junkyards

2016-01-20 Thread Andy Townsend
On 20/01/2016 09:16, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2016-01-20 2:03 GMT+01:00 Dave Swarthout >: After consulting Taginfo I've come up with these two tags for now: landuse=industrial industrial=scrap_yard Opinions,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Government offices

2016-01-27 Thread Andy Townsend
On 27/01/2016 13:26, Matthijs Melissen wrote: This didn't get any responses yet on the list. II would be interested to hear what other mappers think of this proposal! -- Matthijs On 26 January 2016 at 00:13, Matthijs Melissen wrote: Hi all, I have created a

Re: [Tagging] shop=marine RFC

2016-03-14 Thread Andy Townsend
On 14/03/2016 11:48, Richard wrote: On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 07:20:46AM +, Malcolm Herring wrote: The common name for such shops is "chandler". This is more specific to the type of shop you want to tag. "marine" is too broad a term this meaning is not even in wiktionary. How many of those

Re: [Tagging] importance=* tag (for transportation etc)

2016-03-19 Thread Andy Townsend
On 19/03/2016 07:41, johnw wrote: OSM is for gathering data - lots of lots of locally based knowledge of things. Mountains are no different. Great! Let's gather lots of data about each place... Trying to decide what mountains are worth labeling at different zooms via some GIS data is

Re: [Tagging] AirBnB

2016-03-19 Thread Andy Townsend
On 19/03/2016 04:41, Dave Swarthout wrote: I'm looking for a consistent way to tag AirBnB locations. It's probably sufficient to tag them as tourism=guest_house but personally as one who frequently uses AirBnB It'll depend on the individual location, won't it? Some I'm sure will be

Re: [Tagging] Is it a man_made=mast?

2016-04-04 Thread Andy Townsend
On 04/04/2016 12:31, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: On wiki man_made=mast is described as "usually a small tower of only a few meters height" ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dmast ) As previously discussed in Feb 2016, Feb 2015 and Feb 2013 ...

Re: [Tagging] Is it a man_made=mast?

2016-04-04 Thread Andy Townsend
On 04/04/2016 14:45, Andreas Labres wrote: ... AFAICT man_made=mast corresponds to the usage of the German "Mast" ... Not for the first time I think it's a shame that OSM wasn't invented in Germany. Tagging would be so much more _precise_ :) As this isn't rod-shaped it shouldn't be called

Re: [Tagging] Should greenhouse et al have building=yes? (was building=digester)

2016-05-21 Thread Andy Townsend
On 21/05/2016 06:37, Marc Gemis wrote: No, I wouldn't expect that, but I would expect e.g. windmill, watermill and lighthouse to be displayed as building as well. I couldn't find those in your style. I'm talking about mills where work and living are often combined into one. Maybe this is a

[Tagging] Should greenhouse et al have building=yes? (was building=digester)

2016-05-20 Thread Andy Townsend
Can I ask a silly question at this stage - taking something like a greenhouse, would someone ever treat it differently depending on whether it has a building tag or not? In my case when trying to figure out how to render things like this the answer was "no":

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Education 2.0

2016-04-15 Thread Andy Townsend
On 15/04/2016 11:31, Шишкин Александр (Shishkin Aleksandr) wrote: This all similar to power=* group of tags, That's pretty much the poster child for "how not to design a tagging system", in a couple of different areas*. I'm sure that you had nothing to do with that mess, but I wouldn't use

Re: [Tagging] Suggested way to map disputed country borders

2016-05-07 Thread Andy Townsend
On 07/05/2016 10:34, Paul Johnson wrote: On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Rory McCann > wrote: Hi, The subject of disputed country borders came up on help.osm.org again[1], specifically about India and the

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

2016-08-02 Thread Andy Townsend
On 02/08/2016 14:45, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: legally you can't cross anywhere you like but have to use crossings as long as they are in proximity. Your government may restrict where you can cross the road, but around the world many do not. Cheers, Andy

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+import)

2016-08-02 Thread Andy Townsend
On 02/08/2016 23:24, Ilya Zverev wrote: In Russia it has been the norm for a long time. Not that we have mapped every sidewalk, but using the sidewalk=* tag is frowned upon. Maybe, but a quick look at some random Russian places suggests that the normal way to map sidewalks there is "not at

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

2016-08-04 Thread Andy Townsend
On 04/08/2016 06:15, markus schnalke wrote: The visibility is surely an advantage. (btw: Is there a map style that shows sidwalk=*?) I wrote about one here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SomeoneElse/diary/38136 The basic idea is: 1) Split secondary, tertiary, and unclassified roads

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

2016-08-04 Thread Andy Townsend
On 04/08/2016 02:35, Mike Thompson wrote: I tested out the proposed mapping/tagging scheme in my local area (http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/40.49192/-105.05655 - not claiming I did it perfectly). I didn't think it was especially difficult. Drawing the additional ways took a little more

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - learner driver

2016-06-28 Thread Andy Townsend
On 28/06/2016 14:30, Greg Troxel wrote: True, but in OSM it's currently at best awkward to have a complicated set of defaults, because then that information has to be encoded into all renderers and routers. We either need to have a single global default or to have some machine-readable

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

2016-08-09 Thread Andy Townsend
ht angles close together make it impossible to negotiate. "maxwidth" or "maxwidth:physical" doesn't really work here; any suggestions? Also - can anyone suggest a router (online or off) that could work with this data? Also, what about "this road is too busy to cross unless

Re: [Tagging] highway=services & "Road Stations" - subtag requested.

2017-01-25 Thread Andy Townsend
On 25/01/2017 12:28, tomoya muramoto wrote: I think "Michi-no-eki" is not a kind of highway=services, because usually it does not have a car specific service, like a gas station or a car maintainance. A typical Michi-no-eki has * local food shop * cafe * tourist information * 24/7 parking and

[Tagging] wiki problems (was [Talk-us] destination:street)

2017-01-22 Thread Andy Townsend
There is a fundamental problem with any wiki, and it's not easy to fix. Each page was obviously last edited by one user and one user only - they had the chance to change anything in it. In some cases there is a difference of opinion about how to do something, some editors (Harry Wood is an

Re: [Tagging] Dead hedge

2017-02-13 Thread Andy Townsend
On 13/02/2017 20:46, Chris Hill wrote: It's a fence. +1 to that. Despite both of the refs on https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_hedge being English ones, it's not an English term I recognise at all, and it could have been designed to confuse. Cheers, Andy

Re: [Tagging] Sport pitch surfaces: artificial/man_made

2016-09-24 Thread Andy Townsend
On 24/09/2016 13:15, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 'tartan' seems the most used, 'artificial_turf' is also used quite a lot "Tartan" is also a trade name as I understand it. Cheers, Andy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Discarding converted_by

2016-09-24 Thread Andy Townsend
On 23/09/2016 04:06, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote: Hi! Do we have any need for "converted_by" https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/converted_by#values or it could be discarded while modifying an object, exactly what we already do with "created_by" and some other tags? (ie, we won't mass remove

Re: [Tagging] Use of oneway=yes on waterways

2016-09-17 Thread Andy Townsend
I've certainly used "_oneway_=yes" on inland waterways to document signed traffic flow control, so a blanket removal would make no sense.There may be places where a previous mapper has tried to use it in error to

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Bar vs Pub vs Restaurant in the US?

2016-09-30 Thread Andy Townsend
On 30/09/2016 20:32, yo paseopor wrote: In Spain is worse: meanings of these two words (pub and bar) are exchanged each other. What can we do? Have another beer? Cheers, Andy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] non-temporary usage of highway=road

2016-09-27 Thread Andy Townsend
On 27/09/2016 18:37, Aun Johnsen wrote: The use of highway=road would not be an issue if people used it to mark off an area where they are going to do survey or gather more information. It becomes an issue when people use it to map an entire town, and check it off as completed. I'd suggest

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of Country Names

2016-10-27 Thread Andy Townsend
On 26/10/2016 19:50, Simon Poole wrote: @andy btw the whole is about making easier to express local preference, not harder. ... which is great, and was exactly what I was worried about. However it wasn't the impression that I got from e.g. the comment "the french name has to go" upthread -

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of Country Names

2016-10-27 Thread Andy Townsend
Straying from the point slightly, but what would be really, really nice would be a worked example of a way of obtaining wikidata information‎ as part of map data processing (e.g. to fit in with osm2pgsql's lua style file processing or osmandmapcreator, or whatever else you're using to both

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of Country Names

2016-10-25 Thread Andy Townsend
‎> I think we should come up with a common sense rule what name should usually contain‎ I suspect that it might take some time before consensus is reached on that one :) There have been a number of discussions about "what should be in a name" worldwide, and getting people within one country to

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of Country Names

2016-10-25 Thread Andy Townsend
.org Reply To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging] Tagging of Country Names Andy Townsend <ajt1...@gmail.com> wrote: > As has already been said this _ought_ to be a job for wikidata. Thus one would need an additional external database to render a proper

Re: [Tagging] amenity=taxi on highway

2016-11-23 Thread Andy Townsend
On 23/11/2016 13:43, Dave F wrote: ... it can also be an office where you book with a receptionist & then wait. Personally I'd go for "office=taxi" for that, though taginfo suggests relatively little use: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=taxi#values (there's also "shop=taxi" in

Re: [Tagging] amenity=taxi on highway

2016-11-23 Thread Andy Townsend
On 23/11/2016 16:10, Dave F wrote: Why not both? They don't conflict. Sure - I can think of examples which are an office where the taxis wait outside, but also places which are an office where you'd have to actually go somewhere else to actually get in the taxi. Cheers, Andy

Re: [Tagging] Proper way to tag highways located in "dangerous" areas

2016-11-16 Thread Andy Townsend
On 16/11/2016 15:36, Dave F wrote: On 16/11/2016 01:04, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote: Other group (including me) find that this is wrong: we should not tag streets considered dangerous in OSM (specially when "dangerous" is subjective). +1 As this is clearly subjective, it should not be

Re: [Tagging] Proper way to tag highways located in "dangerous" areas

2016-11-17 Thread Andy Townsend
On 17/11/2016 20:15, Janko Mihelić wrote: On Thu, 17 Nov 2016, 20:44 Paul Johnson, > wrote: Don't. Too subjective, and tends to highlight some kinds of bigotry while basically giving a pass to other kinds. How is it subjective if you

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of Country Names

2016-10-28 Thread Andy Townsend
On 28/10/2016 10:51, Sven Geggus wrote: There might be another option. Given a hstore database or wikidata column it would be very easy to build a query_wikidata psql function which will query wikidata like this: select query_wikidata(tags->'wikidata') from planet_osm_point where ...; This

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of Country Names

2016-10-26 Thread Andy Townsend
On 26/10/2016 10:04, Sven Geggus wrote: My intention is to remove english names in the generic "name" tag in countries where english is neither an official nor otherwise important langage to the country in question. OK - another googly* for you - what do you think should be in the "name" tag

Re: [Tagging] Proposal : amenity=baking_oven

2016-10-13 Thread Andy Townsend
On 13/10/2016 12:05, Yvan Masson wrote: Hi list, I just proposed the introduction of the "baking_oven" tag on https://wi ki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/amenity%3Dbaking_oven Just in case you're not already aware, the tag's already in use a bit, mainly in France:

Re: [Tagging] shop=estate_agent and office=estate_agent

2016-12-08 Thread Andy Townsend
On 07/12/2016 22:48, LeTopographeFou wrote: Hi, I will probably reopen an explosive case but I would like to know where we are reguarding shop=estate_agent vs office=estate_agent. Personally I use both - "shop" for places that are primarily B2C and fitted out as shops, and "office" for

Re: [Tagging] landuse=logging

2017-01-05 Thread Andy Townsend
On 05/01/2017 19:30, Daniel Koć wrote: Hi, When I was looking at popular tags in OSM database I have found landuse=logging with 24k+ uses: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dlogging https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/?key=landuse=logging However after closer inspection it

Re: [Tagging] Landuse for vacant lots

2017-03-12 Thread Andy Townsend
On 12/03/17 21:42, Tristan Anderson wrote: What is the most appropriate landuse tag for vacant lots in urban areas? That is, land that was previously occupied by a house or other building that has been demolished, no trace of the building remains, and the land is currently overgrown or

Re: [Tagging] Undiscussed changes for wki pages about access mode "designated".

2017-03-10 Thread Andy Townsend
On 10/03/2017 19:36, Yves wrote: Not saying it's not useful, but at least self-moderation should be considered. I'll try and be tactful here - let's just say that that approach has been suggested :) Best Regards, Andy ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Landuse for vacant lots

2017-03-13 Thread Andy Townsend
On 12/03/2017 21:42, Tristan Anderson wrote: ... In the past I have used brownfield, but this is for land scheduled for redevelopment, which is often not the case. I'm a native English British English speaker, and to me brownfield does not mean just "scheduled for development". It just

Re: [Tagging] Formally informal sidewalks

2017-07-13 Thread Andy Townsend
Perhaps a few links to photos would help? It'd make it a lot easier for other people to visualise. Best Regards, Andy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] change recommendation from "depth" to "length" for the adit length?

2017-05-15 Thread Andy Townsend
On 15/05/2017 12:59, Zecke wrote: An "adit" is by definition an /entrance /to a subterranean gallery or drift. Er, no - at least not according to my understanding of the term as it is used locally to me in England. Best Regards, Andy ___

Re: [Tagging] difference of park and garden

2017-04-30 Thread Andy Townsend
On 29/04/2017 21:47, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I'm asking because I just noticed that another mapper has, years ago, semiautomatically and undiscussed, retagged in a bigger area all parks to garden which had the word "garden" in their name, and I'm a bit undecided whether there might be some

Re: [Tagging] New OSM Quick-Fix service

2017-10-14 Thread Andy Townsend
On 13/10/2017 22:25, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: I would like to introduce a new quick-fix editing service.  It allows users to generate a list of editing suggestions using a query, review each suggestion one by one, and click "Save" on each change if they think it's a good edit. For example, RU

Re: [Tagging] Elevation in Feet as part of Peak Names

2017-09-08 Thread Andy Townsend
On 08/09/2017 09:54, Colin Smale wrote: Does anyone have any idea whether the elevations, be they in feet or metres, are all respecting the wiki definition of being the height above MSL according to EGM96 (not sure what that would mean in landlocked areas) and NOT WGS84 or (strictly

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - building:architecture:preromanesque

2017-08-30 Thread Andy Townsend
On 30/08/2017 10:38, José G Moya Y. wrote: So you think I can add this tag to the wiki without prior voting? Yes, although I'd definitely use https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/ first to see if anyone is using another tag to try and express the same idea. Best Regards, Andy

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion

2017-08-30 Thread Andy Townsend
On 30/08/2017 09:01, Marc Gemis wrote: It would be nice if shop=boutique would show an icon with clothes or something similar instead of a dot on the default osm-style. So people would see they made a mistake. Now the that style is using lua it should be easier for them to process the data a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=* subtags

2017-09-09 Thread Andy Townsend
On 09/09/2017 15:05, Thilo Haug OSM wrote: Thanks for the really exotic examples, Not quite as exotic as those, but I'm surprised that no-one's mentioned Borland's in Leith (either near or in Edinburgh depending on your point of view).  The OSM node is just tagged as a sports shop

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