Re: [Tagging] suitable tag for garden and forest machinery shop

2011-06-21 Thread Clifford Snow
It's lawn and garden in the US. On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Mihkel Rämmel r...@hot.ee wrote: If i'm not wrong then there seems to be no tag for shop that is specialised in selling (and repairing) garden and forest machinery (lawnmovers, chainsaws, trimming machines, etc.) and lightweight

Re: [Tagging] mapping static museum ships

2011-07-29 Thread Clifford Snow
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote: ships that generally don't move i volunteer at one, a museum ship, the USS Slater in Albany NY. there are more than a few others, how do folks feel about tagging them? the location of the Slater:

[Tagging] gym as an amenity value

2012-03-08 Thread Clifford Snow
I do not see gym listed as a value for the tag amenity. I would like to see it as a recognized key value for amenity. Taginfo, http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/amenity shows 644 gym, 8 Gym and some forms of health_club. Gym is defined as A membership organization that provides a range of

Re: [Tagging] gym as an amenity value

2012-03-09 Thread Clifford Snow
I understand the issue with the tag value of gym. I talked to the owner of a gym I use. He said that they typically use gym in conversation with others in the business. Fitness club/center is also used. He differentiated gym/fitness center with health clubs in the range of services offered.

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-13 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Please pardon the ignorant American question: What is the difference between traffic_calming=chicane and a small roundabout? Is it based on who has the right of way? Does anyone have an example of something like this in the US?

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a trailer_park ?

2012-07-27 Thread Clifford Snow
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Werner Poppele popp...@hm.edu wrote: In the US [1] I found some trailer parks tagged landuse=trailer_park. Is that ok ? Any other recommendations ? The tag tourism=camp_site seems to be not quite correct IMHO. taginfo landuse=trailer_park8

Re: [Tagging] Ferry routes, what's the correct approach?

2012-08-03 Thread Clifford Snow
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: Ferries are a bit like motorways with tolls, but I don't know what is used on motorways around the world. Fee=yes? Washington State has the largest ferry system in the US. Check out http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/ferries/ for

Re: [Tagging] Fishing allowed?

2012-09-10 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 8:53 AM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.comwrote: Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: On Mon, 2012-09-10 at 14:05 +0100, Jonathan Bennett wrote: On 10/09/2012 12:36, te...@free.fr wrote: I would like to store information about the legality of fishing

Re: [Tagging] Seasonnal roads

2012-10-09 Thread Clifford Snow
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, I'm looking how to tag a road with seasonal opening or closing. ... Up to now, I was using opening_hours=* with Nov-Apr off. Hi Éric, Have you tried:

Re: [Tagging] cycleway Tagging and Wiki-Page

2013-01-12 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: A sharrow indicates a shared_lane (one of two markings in use in the US; the other being a bicycle symbol by itself with no chevrons, usually accompanied by the share the road advisory signs; this may be Oklahoma

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Clifford Snow
Adding Q38076 would probably introduce more errors, however if our editors pulled the data from wikidata to give human readable names to pick from then our data would become more accurate. Clifford On Feb 27, 2013 5:07 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Martin

Re: [Tagging] Tag for fab_lab with the key workshop

2013-03-13 Thread Clifford Snow
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 5:20 AM, Johann Colombano-Rut joh...@gotronic.frwrote: I have made a proposal for the key workshophttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:workshop. I think it would be very useful to tag various workshops, like Fab Labs, Hackerspaces and such (I'm about to tag a

Re: [Tagging] Tag for fab_lab with the key workshop

2013-03-13 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Johann Colombano-Rut joh...@gotronic.frwrote: You're right in that it is already quite used for hackerspaces... but leisure seems somewhat inappropriate to me and a bunch of other persons I asked : some insist on the differences between a fablab and a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -

2013-03-28 Thread Clifford Snow
Why not use the existing historical=shrine? Seems like the only distinction is that one is on a tree and may only last a few years. In the photo example you provide, a picture nailed to a tree, seems rather temporary. Could you provide more of a reason why we need another tag for shrine? Explain

Re: [Tagging] wayside_shrine - Bildstock - Marterl

2013-03-29 Thread Clifford Snow
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 1:42 AM, Andreas Labres l...@lab.at wrote: The correct tagging would be historic=wayside_shrine http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dwayside_shrine Sorry - I typed in haste and shortened the tag in error. -- Clifford OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human

Re: [Tagging] Fast Food Restaurants

2013-05-28 Thread Clifford Snow
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Tac Tacelosky tac...@gmail.com wrote: name=Subway amenity=restaurant cuisine=fast_food This would be my pick. On a related note, are the underscores necessary? I'd rather say Fast Food Me too, but the tag is fast_food. Otherwise you just create another

[Tagging] How to tag apartments in a building that is multiuse

2013-06-22 Thread Clifford Snow
Like many large cities, we have apartments that are on the upper stories of multi-use buildings. The lower level(s) usually contain shops and business services. My thoughts are 1) tag the building as an apartment building, and just add the businesses and 2) add a node as an apartment, but I'm not

Re: [Tagging] How to tag apartments in a building that is multiuse

2013-06-25 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: After discussing it on IRC, how does this sound as a potential for a proposal: A new tag called residential, where the value specifies the type of residential, such as: residential=apartment residential=condo

Re: [Tagging] How to tag apartments in a building that is multiuse

2013-06-26 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Martin Koppenhöfer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: Not sure if I can agree, what does this tag residential express? Is this a building type? A building usage tag? How does it relate to landuse, how to building=building-type and established values? Landuse is a

Re: [Tagging] How to tag apartments in a building that is multiuse

2013-06-26 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 8:55 AM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: Does not work for me ! I have several areas of mixed use of industrial, commercial and residential. Often living is allowed but I know streets where it is only allowed on one side or even changing from house number to

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - reference_point

2013-07-16 Thread Clifford Snow
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Felix Delattre m...@delattre.de wrote: There is only one day left and we have: 7 approval votes 1 opposing vote 1 abstention Which makes a total of 9 votes. But al least 15 are needed to approve or discard the proposal. It would just be a pity to lose

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses features or attributes?

2013-07-21 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at wrote: When a shop changes, it is true that the address is more permanent. Just like the coordinates are more permanent. But we won't necessarily keep them in OSM if there's no shop anymore. As this is unusual, let's habe a look

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2013-07-31 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.comwrote: And aote the USA the jobs of law enforcement ranger and interpretive ranger have split, though both may work out of the same building. Ranger stations have overlap with fire stations and police stations, but seem quite

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2013-08-01 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: We were just discussing the amenity tag in #osm. If we are inventing a new tag, can we avoid using amenity? Whatever a ranger station is, it is not an amenity and I would like to stop the spread of this woefully

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - ranger_station

2013-08-07 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: After reading the discussion and incorporating what I could, I am moving http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:amenity%3Dranger_station to the next step. Please comment per voting procedures, here

Re: [Tagging] incline default unit ?

2013-08-12 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Mike Thompson miketh...@gmail.com wrote: I think the original point was, if % is the default unit, should we actually be putting the % in the tag? My view is that it is not required, but putting it in causes little harm. I'm late to this discussion, but the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (amenity=ranger_station) - Vote Early Vote Often

2013-08-21 Thread Clifford Snow
As I count the votes, sixteen people approved this tag. Plus one other person who would have marked it approved, but is in school right now. Bryce - do you want to do the honors of showing the tag approved? On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.comwrote: I have

Re: [Tagging] telephone lines (and marking other things we don't map)

2013-08-27 Thread Clifford Snow
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 5:35 PM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.comwrote: But what if the pole has both telephone and power on it? ;) That's what's common here in my neighborhood. I can look out my front door and see a pole with both of them using it. And of course cable tv and fiber are

Re: [Tagging] Ranger Station Tag Update (too anglo-centric)?

2013-08-29 Thread Clifford Snow
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 6:56 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: (In Australia, national park budgets are so low I can barely think of any that have manned visitor centres, let alone ranger stations where the public is welcome to drop in. The rangers are usually so overworked they

Re: [Tagging] Ace Hardware

2013-08-30 Thread Clifford Snow
According to the ACE website, they are actually an coop. *The Ace Difference* The Ace ownership opportunity is unlike any other franchise opportunity. Ace Hardware is a retailer-owned cooperative, meaning Ace retailers are the owners of the corporation. In addition to being part owner of a

Re: [Tagging] Ranger Station Tag Update (too anglo-centric)?

2013-08-30 Thread Clifford Snow
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 3:44 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO use amenity=ranger_station - no need to hide it in a subtag. If this is anglo centric other people where this feature doesn't exist simply won't use the tag. +1 -- Clifford OpenStreetMap: Maps with a

Re: [Tagging] Visual editor for the wiki (WAS: How to overcome lack of consensus)

2013-09-28 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 12:38 PM, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.comwrote: Only gotcha, I think: recent Ubuntu comes with a desktop called Unity which is very resource consuming, dancing but not singing, and is really crawling on VB. There are solutions to tame

Re: [Tagging] Visual editor for the wiki (WAS: How to overcome lack of consensus)

2013-09-28 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 2:56 PM, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.comwrote: Ouch, from LibreOffice menu and help, it looks like it's only able to store a wiki file, not to read and edit it. Pretty much useless. Not sure - on my version of LibreOffice, I can connect to wiki.openoffice.org

Re: [Tagging] Wind turbines: big and small

2013-10-07 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:05 AM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.comwrote: As far as I know, we don't have a standard method for tagging the height of an object mounted on top of another object, as distinct from the combined heights of the objects above ground, or the elevation above sea

Re: [Tagging] Telecoms local loops connections nodes

2013-11-20 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:53 PM, François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu wrote: A discussion on French list seems to enlight a spelling problem about telecom=central_office tag. Currently, buildings hosting telecom local loops connection nodes are tagged with

Re: [Tagging] Telecoms local loops connections nodes

2013-11-21 Thread Clifford Snow
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 2:06 AM, François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu wrote: That's actually very nice ! Its a man_made=MDF (Main Distribution Frame) - ONKZ is the area code which is variable length in Germany and we have approx. ~6000 of them. A CO/MDF in Germany will be

Re: [Tagging] Substation proposal approved - and a suggestion for a post-vote change

2013-11-23 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Tagging proposals do not have the power to deprecate existing tags, and I have changed the wiki pages accordingly. Using the wording this tag has now been deprecated always leads to someone trying to make a mass change

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-11-29 Thread Clifford Snow
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Yves yve...@gmail.com wrote: Also, for me 'surveillance' conotes a security related camera. I fear that if the actual definition is extended to the so called webcam, this connotation will prevent the use of it to webcams. A simple scheme like

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-11-29 Thread Clifford Snow
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Jonathan bigfatfro...@gmail.com wrote: Why can we not have: man_made=surveillance surveillance:type=webcam surveillance:zone=weather;traffic;scenic. url=http:// The overarching category of man_made=surveillance is important because no matter what

Re: [Tagging] How to tag babycare?

2013-12-02 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 12:38 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.comwrote: In the USA, an increasing number of restrooms in public and commercial buildings have baby-changing tables, usually a wall-mounted, fold-down shelf, with a safety strap to make sure a wiggly baby doesn't fall off. Not

Re: [Tagging] Architectural Monuments - ideas?

2014-02-16 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:31 PM, nounours77 kuessemondtaegl...@gmail.comwrote: I'm currently importing a list of Architectural Monuments into OSM. The available information is the name, the architect, sometimes the construction period. But how should I tag it? I was thinking about three

Re: [Tagging] Native English speakers: locker or lockbox?

2014-06-24 Thread Clifford Snow
On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Michael Reichert naka...@gmx.net wrote: over a year ago I was indoor-mapping the central train station of Heilbronn, Germany and looked for a tag to tag a locker/lockbox like this:

Re: [Tagging] Rendering change: buildings within highway areas

2014-06-30 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: Buildings will now be rendered behind highways areas, rather than on top of them. The new rendering might cause issues with areas with buildings in the middle. The correct way to tag such areas is as a

Re: [Tagging] Suggestions for the correct tagging of Field borders

2014-07-14 Thread Clifford Snow
Wouldn't adding attributes solve the problem you described? I.e. field border=* On Jul 14, 2014 2:11 PM, Dudley Ibbett dudleyibb...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi I'm trying to work out exactly how a generic field would be mapped using this new tag. I am assuming you would have a way that marks the

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] IR boundary tagging

2014-07-28 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com wrote: I'd say make the changes at the city admin level for these reasons. The tribal nations are viewed by the courts as territories but they tend to act more at the city[4] to county[3] COG [1] level. The squabbles feel

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:leisure=gym

2014-07-30 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/leisure%3Dgym As far as I could see nobody touched this topic for quite some time so I created a new proposal as this seems to be how native speakers use the word

Re: [Tagging] Forest vs Wood

2014-08-20 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: Who planted or manages the rain forests? Rain forests are forests/woods with a high annual rainfall. Here in Western Washington State, some of the rain forests are protected, i.e. Olympic National Park, others are

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of movie rental kiosk

2014-08-31 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 5:20 AM, Hans De Kryger hans.dekryge...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone know of any tag for a movie rental kiosk? According to taginfo - amenity=vending_machine. After that, vending_machine gets lost in dvd, movie, DVD, etc. But with vending_machine you could add the operator

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of movie rental kiosk

2014-08-31 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: That must be different features (where you can buy copies of movies), because rental isn't covered by vending? I admit that I answered this question early in the morning, before I had enough coffee to get me

Re: [Tagging] floating or pontoon bridges?

2014-09-02 Thread Clifford Snow
Here in Western Washington we call them pontoons. See http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/Projects/SR520/Pontoons.htm We've never properly tagged the bridge type but they are pontoons. These pontoons do not look like the wiki picture, but are big boxes which are anchored to the lake/ocean floor. BTW - these

Re: [Tagging] floating or pontoon bridges?

2014-09-02 Thread Clifford Snow
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: While I generally agree with your agreement, this is not true, ships can be built out of concrete (think aircraft carriers for instance), and German universities even hold a regular competition who builds the

Re: [Tagging] man_made=bridge

2014-10-10 Thread Clifford Snow
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote: There is a reason why I have never started a vote for this proposal (and some others): in many cases voting simply doesn't work. In my opinion it is much better if the community simply votes by tagging - or not

Re: [Tagging] sport= non-physical tags and the exceptions people come up with...

2014-10-20 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: What people probably want to tag are waters that are interesting to scuba divers. Maybe we should make a tag like leisure=scuba_diving_attraction. I haven't followed this thread but Janko's comment reminded me that of

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=stationery, shop=office_supplies

2014-10-20 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: We have currently two tags with a closely related, if not identical, meaning: shop=stationery (8038 instances) and shop=office_supplies (177 instances). Is there a difference between these two tags, or should

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=stationery, shop=office_supplies

2014-10-20 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 9:24 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: I know I have used office_supply for Staples. When I looked it up in the wiki, the stationery page did not include the examples of the office superstores and my impression was that it was intended for smaller shops,

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-11-03 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 4:02 PM, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: Civic is what I suggested a few months ago. but where the line is drawn is up for debate: what is included in this catch-all, and what isn’t. I’ve tried arguing that each class should have their own catch-all landuse - eg: we have

Re: [Tagging] boundary=aboriginal_lands versus boundary=protected_area

2014-11-22 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 7:00 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: I've read over both proposals, and both are getting long in the tooth. I realize that the former is slightly more commonly used, but neither have much traction for use in strangely incongruous, overlapping areas that

Re: [Tagging] custom road ref shields

2014-11-28 Thread Clifford Snow
I've been trying to understand the issues that keep us from having Pictural Route Shields. The issue is on github [1] but as best as I can understand, it gets down to how we (US) tag routes. From talking to Paul Norman we need to fix the tagging problems before we can get pictural route shields.

Re: [Tagging] Combining gas stations convenience stores

2014-12-05 Thread Clifford Snow
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Jack Burke burke...@gmail.com wrote: -1. I don't really agree. The parking/driving area is no more a part of the gas station than any other parking lot is part of the store/building they service. I usually do building=roof + layer=1 + amenity=fuel +

Re: [Tagging] Moveable objects tagged as building=*

2014-12-11 Thread Clifford Snow
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 4:59 PM, 715371 osmu715...@gmx.de wrote: I am wondering if the building-tag should be used for moveable objects. I guess that this is not in the sense of the meaning of building (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Building#Residential and check for houseboats). For

Re: [Tagging] Moveable objects tagged as building=*

2014-12-11 Thread Clifford Snow
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:47 PM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: When is a 'houseboat' a floating home? Here houseboats are self propelled, floating homes are not .. don't know about elsewhere. That would be a fairly simple distinction. Not all houseboats are self propelled. Owners often

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - leisure=fitness_centre

2014-12-25 Thread Clifford Snow
On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 6:21 AM, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote: Just had the great idea to suggest tagging gyms/fintess centres for the German a weekly task (new year's resolutions incoming), when I realized we still don't have tagging schema for it. After I failed to address the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - leisure=fitness_centre

2014-12-28 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 7:44 AM, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote: That's fine for a stuation like that, but do want to join a rowing club when you just moved to a city and a looking for a fitness centre to work out? Because that's my issue when having leisure=sports_centre +

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - leisure=fitness_centre

2014-12-28 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote: Because that's my issue when having leisure=sports_centre + sport=rowing as tag for your usual commercial gym. Oops. I mean sport=fitness (So a rowing club would be fine with leisure=sports_centre +

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - leisure=fitness_centre

2014-12-28 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote: ess_centre:access=membership, fitness_centre:access=club? private? Or have something like fitness_centre=yes? (Not sure as we already have sport=*) Honestly didn't think that much about this, because I just wanted a tag

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

2015-01-02 Thread Clifford Snow
On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 7:17 AM, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: In the next version of the openstreetmap-carto style sheet (the default rendering used on openstreetmap.org) there will be some changes that might highlight current tagging errors. Is it possible to create a

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a cistern?

2015-02-02 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 12:54 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Once again, we are divided by a common language. In American usage, a cistern is a holding tank for captured rain water, used as an alternative to a well in areas where no city water supply is available. They often

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a cistern?

2015-02-02 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: In Australia rain water collection is common, or more correctly essential, in country areas. They are usually placed on the ground, or on a platform. Less frequently they are on elevated platforms or underground. Frequently

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - addrN:*

2015-01-15 Thread Clifford Snow
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:10 AM, Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com wrote: I was thinking about this solution too. The addrN scheme is really quite awkward so it'd be nice to recommend something like simply having two nodes/multipolygons with exactly the same overlapping geometry. However, this

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - addrN:*

2015-01-15 Thread Clifford Snow
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at wrote: This exact approach is new to me. We can discuss its pros and cons, but I think the main message is that multiple addresses are mapped differently all over the world. Every country has its local OSM community which

Re: [Tagging] AddrN

2015-01-19 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Dmitry Kiselev dkise...@osm.me wrote: Here they are http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/78y If you read http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Features/addrN you will find photographs how such addresses looks like in real life. And it's not the case when you

Re: [Tagging] AddrN

2015-01-19 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Dmitry Kiselev dkise...@osm.me wrote: Conscriptionnumbers is just an example, one of the examples. Can we have some other examples? -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch

Re: [Tagging] AddrN

2015-01-19 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Dmitry Kiselev dkise...@osm.me wrote: What kind of examples do you need? Ideally a sample that would include other types of multiple addresses. For example in the US, of the top of my head, I can think of three types opf multiple addresses. 1) vanity addresses,

Re: [Tagging] AddrN

2015-01-19 Thread Clifford Snow
Dmitry, If these are conscription numbers, why not use the addr:conscriptionnumber tag? It is document in the wiki [1] and appears to be in use. It would also appear more accurate and less likely to lead to misuse. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key%3Aaddr%3Aconscriptionnumber Clifford

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-20 Thread Clifford Snow
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 8:34 PM, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: As an easy (well, easier) fix - it might be a good idea for iD to show, color coded, what option is chosen for a road - white for paved, grey striped for gravel and friends, and brown for various ground / soil/ mud etc. it might

Re: [Tagging] high mobile masts on man_made=mast

2015-02-15 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Mihkel Rämmel r...@hot.ee wrote: Does anyone have objections to adding a second picture of mobile mast to man_made=mast on wiki and clarifying that masts can be higher than 'only a few meters'.

Re: [Tagging] Accepted or rejected?

2015-03-14 Thread Clifford Snow
The reality is that a tag becomes approved once it is adopted by developers and is used extensively. Voting has its purpose, mainly to weed out proposals that need more work. As others have said 8 approvals and 7 declines indicate that more work needs to be done. Even if a proposal receives 8

Re: [Tagging] Proposal : Move smoking tag to active status

2015-03-20 Thread Clifford Snow
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 7:01 PM, Shawn K. Quinn skqu...@rushpost.com wrote: I don't object, but it would be nice if there was a way to say a city or county was non-smoking in certain types of establishments by default, in addition to tagging each one as smoking=no. I agree. Since OSM is a

Re: [Tagging] Blatant tagging for the renderer: bridges abandoned railways

2015-03-09 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:18 AM, ael law_ence@ntlworld.com wrote: Your sort of comment to someone who has contributed years of solid work to OSM is enough to make me consider ceasing to contribute. Please ignore these types of comments. While we all generally agree that tagging for the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - shop=storage

2015-03-14 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 5:53 AM, jonat...@bigfatfrog67.me wrote: I disagree, it's perfectly possible to make a decision on a vote by reading other people’s comments/concerns and if not properly address then vote against. Likewise, you can vote for a proposal even without being party to the

Re: [Tagging] [Imports] Mechanical Tagging Proposal - dump_station - conditional

2015-04-01 Thread Clifford Snow
Since one of the principles of OSM is not to tag for the renderer, then I say do it. The renderers can easily catch up. On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: I additionally propose to fully deprecate *recycling:excrement=yes/no*, which is well covered by

Re: [Tagging] recent change to ranger_station proposal

2015-03-04 Thread Clifford Snow
There is a pretty complete wiki [1] page for US NPS tagging. Looks like we could use some clarification of Ranger Station, but the visitor center is mapped as information https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:information= office https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:information%3Doffice

Re: [Tagging] Defacto: man_made=storage_tank

2015-04-13 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote: I think that building=storage_tank would be even better. That ship has sailed. man_made=storage_tank is the standard. Maybe early on it should have been man_made=building, building=* but we have an accepted

Re: [Tagging] Artist studio?

2015-04-25 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 25.04.2015 um 02:04 schrieb johnw jo...@mac.com: there is no documented craft=artist (as in canvas creator), but there is house painter. there is “sculptor and glaziery so it looks as if craft=artist

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of pitches within a campsite

2015-04-22 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 1:51 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Bryce that addr:unit could be an interesting candidate for all these similar situations. Wonder if we would repeat the complete address information on every single object then. Another issue with

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of pitches within a campsite

2015-04-22 Thread Clifford Snow
...@fitchdesign.com wrote: Some places have individual tent locations but no street address: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/34.80931/-119.17480layers=D On April 22, 2015 7:51:26 AM PDT, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 1:51 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer

Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

2015-05-11 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com wrote: A lot of Costco's customers are small businesses who buy wholesale from Costco and then resell at higher prices, but many individuals shop as well. So shop=wholesale is probably reasonable. Is the consensus that

Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

2015-05-08 Thread Clifford Snow
On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com wrote: I propose to create the tag shop=wholesale for stores that sell large quantities of merchandise in bulk, such as Costco and Sam's Club. Many such stores require a membership to join. See

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of amenity from OSM tagging)

2015-05-16 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 4:46 AM, Daniel Koć daniel@koć.pl wrote: My long tail intuition are now supported by a scientific study called Characterizing the Heterogeneity of the OpenStreetMap Data and Community, and we know even how much advanced users are there! The abstract says: All three

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of amenity from OSM tagging)

2015-05-18 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: Let's use human power, not spam power. How about if first edits caused some sort of flag that experienced users see, and can welcome and thank the new user for registering and contributing. This is possible now, but

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - trailhead

2015-04-12 Thread Clifford Snow
The trailhead proposal is long overdue. They are common around areas I've lived in the US. They usually have limited parking, signage, sometimes a place to pay, and some even have permanent or portable restrooms. Thanks for creating the proposal. A couple of comments on the proposal: A node for

Re: [Tagging] model airplane airfield

2015-04-07 Thread Clifford Snow
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 7:06 AM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: Yesterday the Easter eggs were dropping from model airplanes. Of course I want to map where this happened and were this club has their airfield. Check out sport=model_aerodrome.

Re: [Tagging] model airplane airfield

2015-04-07 Thread Clifford Snow
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 8:04 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: this looks like a bad tag, because aerodrome is a place and not a kind of sport/activity. Wouldn't this value fit better into leisure (aside pitch, track etc.)? For sport (if this can be considered a sport) I'd

Re: [Tagging] model airplane airfield

2015-04-07 Thread Clifford Snow
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: thing is, aerodrome or model aerodrome, is not a sport nor an activity, it is a physical place. It doesn't fit into the set of other values that can be found within sport. You might want to change the wiki

Re: [Tagging] SHAPE_Leng, SHAPE_Area, GIS_ACRES

2015-06-03 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Mike Thompson miketh...@gmail.com wrote: I am encountering the tags SHAPE_Leng, SHAPE_Area, GIS_ACRES on US National Forests. If I am making other edits to the OSM element in question, can these be deleted? Converted to some other tag? They don't seem

Re: [Tagging] Concrete kerbs in highway

2015-06-22 Thread Clifford Snow
Try this link https://goo.gl/photos/3tyt92t4fdVVw3mN9 On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Shawn K. Quinn skqu...@rushpost.com wrote: On Mon, 2015-06-22 at 16:58 -0700, Clifford Snow wrote: https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipN7JZ5SUnvtE-lBS9isblsmQQ2NEbjKq9Wxldyo https

[Tagging] Concrete kerbs in highway

2015-06-22 Thread Clifford Snow
I have a question about how to tag concrete kerbs that prevent vehicles from crossing. Below are links to two different examples. Creating a dual carriageway doesn't seem correct. Turn restrictions would help vehicles routing, but that doesn't tell emergency vehicles that they can drive over the

Re: [Tagging] Concrete kerbs in highway

2015-06-25 Thread Clifford Snow
: On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:42 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-06-23 1:58 GMT+02:00 Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us: I have a question about how to tag concrete kerbs that prevent vehicles from crossing. Below are links to two different examples. Creating

Re: [Tagging] Concrete kerbs in highway

2015-06-25 Thread Clifford Snow
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: but this would only work on a road with no crossings (or all crossing on both roads at the same spot)... Marin, I must be a little slow this morning, please elaborate. -- @osm_seattle

Re: [Tagging] Concrete kerbs in highway

2015-06-25 Thread Clifford Snow
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: the issue, i think is that frequently there are highways that have raised concrete barriers, but with frequent gaps. you end up needing to model this one way or another. there is not really an easy way out. True.

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