Re: [Tagging] How to map an household goods store?

2013-09-16 Thread Dan S
I've been wondering about this one occasionally. http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/shop=household - 226 examples, no wiki page http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/shop=houseware - 156 examples, wiki page (with almost nothing in it) http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/shop=housewares - 53

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot

2013-09-18 Thread Dan S
2013/9/18 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: What is the essential difference between plot and lot in an OSM context? Dictionaries often seem to treat them as synonyms when applying to a patch of land. But I'm a Brit... What's the US/AUS/CDN/NZ/etc

Re: [Tagging] How to overcome lack of consensus

2013-09-19 Thread Dan S
2013/9/19 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: 2013/9/18 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com I think it is a bad idea to connect the meaning of osm tags to definitions in wikipedia, because the content of wikipedia articles is not something we control. When the wikipedia article changes

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=musical_instrument

2013-09-21 Thread Dan S
Well that one's easy to answer: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop=music A shop that primarily sells recorded music (vinyl/CDs). Dan 2013/9/21 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com: Why not shop=music. The _instrument classifier seems overly restrictive for stores that likely also sell

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=musical_instrument

2013-09-24 Thread Dan S
And British English too - but, that ship has sailed. Dan 2013/9/23 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com: But in American English one does talk about a shoe shop, even though all that's on offer there are pairs of shoes. ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Post vote clean up

2013-09-26 Thread Dan S
I think you just need to delete this line: [[Category:Post-vote clean-up]] ? Dan 2013/9/26 bredy bredy...@yahoo.it: The proposal is this amenity=toilets http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:amenity%3Dtoilets It'is in Approved and in Post vote list -- View this

Re: [Tagging] Howto tag a play room

2013-10-01 Thread Dan S
2013/10/1 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2013/10/1 Дмитрий Киселев dmitry.v.kise...@gmail.com How to tag them? As playground=playroom with some additional tags, or it's better to use individual leisure=playroom tag? are you going to add an attribute to the supermarket or

Re: [Tagging] Pre-proposal: gambling

2013-10-05 Thread Dan S
2013/10/5 Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl: There are currently various tags for gambling-related shops and amenities in use, including amenity=casino, shop=bookmaker, shop=betting, shop=lottery, and shop=gambling. See here for an overview of usage statistics:

[Tagging] Wind turbines: big and small

2013-10-07 Thread Dan S
Hi all, One of the things I noticed at SOTM was that the Aston campus has two little wind turbines, perched on top of some of the buildings. They're quite small, yet the standard OSM style shows them even at zoom level 15, as if they're significant landmarks:

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-16 Thread Dan S
2013/10/16 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Am 16/ott/2013 um 09:23 schrieb Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com: This feature of JOSM indicates to me that there is most likely widespread use of bicycle=no on crossings with the meaning of bicycle=dismount. there is really no

Re: [Tagging] tourism=guest_house or tourism=bed_and_breakfast ?

2013-10-17 Thread Dan S
2013/10/17 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com: Hi! 2013/10/17 Pieren pier...@gmail.com So, I'm looking if we could reuse the two existing tags or if I should create a sub-tag like tourism=guest_house + guest_house=bed_and_breakfast or guest_house=whatever_in_an_independent_building +1

Re: [Tagging] Wind turbines: big and small

2013-10-27 Thread Dan S
/10/7 Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com: Hi all, One of the things I noticed at SOTM was that the Aston campus has two little wind turbines, perched on top of some of the buildings. They're quite small, yet the standard OSM style shows them even at zoom level 15, as if they're significant landmarks

Re: [Tagging] tag for co-working spaces

2013-11-25 Thread Dan S
2013/11/25 sabas88 saba...@gmail.com: 2013/11/25 Severin MENARD severin.men...@gmail.com Hi, Seems this does not exist yet. Here is the taginfo situation http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=working_space#values What about a office=co_working_space or office=co-working_space? Hi,

Re: [Tagging] Proposal - voting finished - man_made=lamp

2013-11-26 Thread Dan S
2013/11/26 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com wrote: Where can I read the rules? I searched the wiki for voting tag proposals etc and couldn't find them. On the Proposed_features main page. Thanks. But don't read it as hard-coded

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-11-28 Thread Dan S
2013/11/28 Egil Hjelmeland pri...@egil-hjelmeland.no: I have to my surprise not been able to find any established practice for tagging webcams on internet. I am thinking of cameras that display a place, so you can click in to see the weather, snow conditions and such. As a service to the

Re: [Tagging] Propose the tag shop=military_surplus

2013-12-06 Thread Dan S
2013/12/6 Axelos gnu...@laposte.net: Hello Le 05/12/2013 12:16, SomeoneElse a écrit : Axelos wrote: I proposed the tag shop=military_surplus for the shops selling used military equipment. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Military_surplus If you think that it makes sense to tag a

Re: [Tagging] Mechanical edit - Voting - Musical instrument (reminder)

2013-12-09 Thread Dan S
2013/12/9 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2013/12/9 Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl Just to keep you up-to-date: the data working group has not responded yet to my request for approval of this mechanical edit. They have not indicated a time span they need to decide, or

Re: [Tagging] Topographic place names

2013-12-10 Thread Dan S
2013/12/10 Andrew Errington erringt...@gmail.com: On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 19:26:55 Steve Bennett wrote: Hi all, My cycletouring map, http://cycletour.org, has been slowly morphing into a general topographic map[1]. One thing that's missing, though, is names for topographic features like

Re: [Tagging] how to tag a terrace?

2013-12-13 Thread Dan S
2013/12/13 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Am 13/dic/2013 um 13:37 schrieb Fabrizio Carrai fabrizio.car...@gmail.com: The final results is [1] a multypoligon the includes few components, including: A highway=pedestrian area, with black and white tiles marked as

Re: [Tagging] how to tag a terrace?

2013-12-13 Thread Dan S
2013/12/13 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2013/12/13 Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com highway=pedestrian area, with [...] surface=paving_stones seems to tag it pretty well to me. those tags aren't on the relation that represents the whole object though. IMHO building

Re: [Tagging] How to map holiday flats? New tag tourism=holiday_flat or extend existing tourism=chalet

2014-01-03 Thread Dan S
2014/1/3 Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net: On 1/2/14 8:31 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote: I think of the word flat as being distinctly British. I have only rarely heard the word flat used to describe and apartment in the U.S. When I first glanced at the beginning of this thread I thought the OP

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - trafficability

2014-01-03 Thread Dan S
Hi, It reminds me quite a lot of opening_hours http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening_hours Would that be appropriate? Dan 2014/1/3 BGNO BGNO bgno2...@gmail.com Hi, I am proposing a new key: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/trafficability Cheers BGNO

Re: [Tagging] How to map holiday flats? New tag tourism=holiday_flat or extend existing tourism=chalet

2014-01-06 Thread Dan S
Sounds good to me too, nice and simple :) Dan 2014/1/6 Dave Swarthout daveswarth...@gmail.com: Personally I would go with tourism=apartment or apartments. +1 On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 05/gen/2014 um 17:44 schrieb Dudley Ibbett

Re: [Tagging] feature Proposal - RFC 2 - tourism = apartment

2014-02-16 Thread Dan S
2014-02-16 8:29 GMT+00:00 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk: On Sun, 2014-02-16 at 07:06 +0700, Dave Swarthout wrote: I would prefer the plural tourism=apartments. I prefer singular because the plural term explicitly states that more than one unit is available to rent while the singular

Re: [Tagging] Architectural Monuments - ideas?

2014-02-17 Thread Dan S
2014-02-17 12:58 GMT+00:00 nounours77 kuessemondtaegl...@gmail.com: Dear Clifford, dear Pierren, thanks for your thoughts. Here some answers What/Who defines what is an Architectural Monument? When I think it is more along the lines of what Wikipedia [1] defines as a monument. No, I'm not

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a public works facility ?

2014-02-19 Thread Dan S
Hi - In the past I've seen people use landuse=depot http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Ddepot Dan 2014-02-19 9:06 GMT+00:00 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: It's a small area with several buildings where the municipality is storing vehicles and the maintenance and repair services.

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium

2014-02-25 Thread Dan S
Hi all, Well amenity=* has been something of a default choice in the past, so the definition is quite stretched from community facilities as the wiki puts it. There are some well-established tags that might be better as leisure=* or tourism=* if we were starting from scratch. So I'd suggest

Re: [Tagging] Hot springs

2014-03-03 Thread Dan S
2014-03-03 12:53 GMT+00:00 nounours77 kuessemondtaegl...@gmail.com: I have significantly changed https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Hot_Spring with the intention to revive the proposal - thanks for any comments and enhancments. Dear Richard, thanks for your

Re: [Tagging] Fixing wrong opening_hours automatically

2014-03-07 Thread Dan S
2014-03-06 17:13 GMT+00:00 Robin `ypid` Schneider ypi...@aol.de: On 06.03.2014 10:47, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2014-03-05 21:25 GMT+01:00 Robin `ypid` Schneider ypi...@aol.de: There is no key öffnungszeiten, but yes it is only about the key opening_hours. As said before I am not going to

Re: [Tagging] What is OSM: a base layer for individual maps, or a fully featured geobased information system?

2014-03-29 Thread Dan S
Hi - I'm afraid the answer is neither. OSM is a database for geodata that is open-licensed, publicly verifiable and not short-term. This means it's more than just a base-layer. But it also means it's not a database for all possible geodata. We don't include holiday apartment reviews/ratings

Re: [Tagging] Issues relating to URIs and tagging

2014-04-01 Thread Dan S
Hi Andy, 2014-04-01 16:29 GMT+01:00 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk: Hello everyone, This is my first post to the list, which I've just joined, but I've been a mapper for a few years and some of you might remember me as compere at last year's State of the Map. And well done indeed!

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Wikidata

2014-04-01 Thread Dan S
2014-04-01 22:17 GMT+01:00 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: On 01.04.2014 19:04, Andy Mabbett wrote: I commend this proposal to the list: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Wikidata I like Wikidata and therefore want to see this proposal approved. :) What I'm

Re: [Tagging] Ticket for JOSM to read contact metadata closed

2014-04-02 Thread Dan S
2014-04-02 18:25 GMT+01:00 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk: Not only was I disappointed to see this ticket: http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/9885 closed as wontfix, but I don't understand the reason given: This format seems not to be used much. Too much work for too

Re: [Tagging] access=designated - what do we think it means?

2014-04-11 Thread Dan S
2014-04-11 18:20 GMT+01:00 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: (2) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aaccess%3Ddesignated This is how I understood and have used it. This is what the wiki says: Note that access=designated

Re: [Tagging] access=designated - what do we think it means?

2014-04-11 Thread Dan S
2014-04-11 19:14 GMT+01:00 Vincent Pottier vpott...@gmail.com: Le 11/04/2014 19:38, Dan S a écrit : 2014-04-11 18:20 GMT+01:00 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: (2) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aaccess%3Ddesignated

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

2014-05-15 Thread Dan S
2014-05-15 10:00 GMT+01:00 Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org: Well... Private messages tell me that boules might be popular outside of France, so here is a translation for a more international debate... According to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:sport%3Dboules a petanque pitch

Re: [Tagging] cleanup broken import fix

2014-05-28 Thread Dan S
If I understand right you should probably ask imports@ not tagging@ about making bulk edits, even if they're to fix bulk edits! Best Dan 2014-05-28 21:53 GMT+01:00 malenki o...@malenki.ch: Recently I found some 10.000 (one of two changesets contained 38k) objects tagged like this:¹ |

Re: [Tagging] Wiki edits, building tags on nodes versus areas

2014-06-04 Thread Dan S
2014-06-04 18:03 GMT+01:00 bulwersator bulwersa...@zoho.com: I guess that push toward tagging POI as nodes is result of fact that in some situations only nodes are processed properly (at least that is why I tag new features in this way). I don't think it's a good idea to adapt your tagging

Re: [Tagging] turning layers off

2014-06-05 Thread Dan S
(not a tagging question really, but) Top tip: Ctrl-W in JOSM (wireframe mode) makes areas show as outlines rather than tinted areas. Dan 2014-06-05 15:50 GMT+01:00 Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl: Yes, in JOSM, you can use the Filters window. -- Matthijs On 5 June 2014 15:46,

Re: [Tagging] Signal-controlled roundabouts

2014-06-13 Thread Dan S
Roundabouts like this sometimes (in Britain) have part time traffic lights. So, some times of day it is a true roundabout, and some times of day it is a circle of road with traffic signals! I don't know the one you linked, to but it's possible that is what is going on here. Dan 2014-06-13 16:54

Re: [Tagging] No abbreviations in names edge case

2014-06-18 Thread Dan S
2014-06-18 15:35 GMT+02:00 Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net: On 6/18/14 8:28 AM, Florian Schäfer wrote: What about the homepage of the city [1]? There it says that The actual name comes from the fact that our town site on a strip of Cherokee land famous for the Oklahoma Land Run. The name

Re: [Tagging] Where do source tags belong?

2014-06-26 Thread Dan S
2014-06-26 12:44 GMT+01:00 André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com: Hi, I wonder if this phrase without an explanation link http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source contains appropriate instructions (or just press news): *Since the introduction of changesets these tags are often added

Re: [Tagging] MyPlace self-storage facilities

2014-07-04 Thread Dan S
I notice there are also 209 amenity=storage: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/compare/amenity=storage/shop=storage/shop=storage_units/shop=self_storage Though I can't guarantee they refer to these self-storage places (could be private storage if not shop?), some of the UK items definitely are. And

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

2014-07-10 Thread Dan S
Thanks for your work Mateusz! 2014-07-10 10:21 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Am 10/lug/2014 um 11:19 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: I'd be careful with fishmonger vs seafood (is the latter OK for someone who only sells fresh water fish?) also

Re: [Tagging] RFC: crossing=* (was: highway=speed_camera equivalent for non-speed enforcement types)

2014-07-22 Thread Dan S
2014-07-22 10:43 GMT+01:00 André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com: On 2014-07-22 11:01, Jo wrote : I have mentioned without much follow-up a similar issue with highway=crossing + crossing=*. What OSM calls crossing, zebra stripes, is in fact a passage pour piétons which does not necessarily

Re: [Tagging] Change in rendering in Mapnik of Nature Reserves.

2014-07-23 Thread Dan S
Hi Dave, Not really an issue for the tagging mailing list - I don't think the people who maintain the style are on here. If you're talking about the main osm.org style then it's openstreetmap-carto, maintained here: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/ If you believe there's an

Re: [Tagging] How to tag road junction names and traffic signal names?

2014-07-24 Thread Dan S
If place=hamlet is wrong, I believe place=locality is often used as a generic tag for nodes indicating named locations. Not really a solution but a simple option. Dan 2014-07-24 17:01 GMT+01:00 Lukas Sommer sommer...@gmail.com: Yes, I know that junction=yes works fine for simple crossroads. My

Re: [Tagging] seafood vs fishmonger (was Re: Synonymous values in the shop key)

2014-07-31 Thread Dan S
2014-07-31 11:02 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Am 31/lug/2014 um 10:27 schrieb Holger Jeromin mailgm...@katur.de: The voting was performed using the extended North-American definition - there including fresh water:

Re: [Tagging] Research laboratory

2014-08-05 Thread Dan S
Hi Pierre-Alain, That's a good question. I thought I'd search a couple of names to see how they are tagged. Here is a selection: INRIA (in France): * office=research http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2529263700 * office=government http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/124838923 *

Re: [Tagging] Climbing access path

2014-08-07 Thread Dan S
The sac_scale is about difficulty, not permission. I assume from Karsten's original message that only climbers are permitted to use those paths. If so, then access=customers is appropriate, and customers=climbers seems helpful... Dan 2014-08-07 9:50 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com:

Re: [Tagging] Climbing access path

2014-08-08 Thread Dan S
2014-08-08 10:21 GMT+01:00 k4r573n k4r5...@googlemail.com: On 07.08.2014 12:05, Tom Pfeifer wrote: If I understand Karsten correctly, the limitation is not about payment, it is to limit the number of people using this path. This would be typical for climbing crags in

Re: [Tagging] Mapping cave tunnels passable by human

2014-08-14 Thread Dan S
2014-08-14 11:40 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com: 2014-08-14 12:31 GMT+02:00 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com: 2014-08-14 12:25 GMT+02:00 André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com: On 2014-08-14 11:08, Janko Mihelić wrote : Well first, tunnel=yes is obviously wrong. We need

Re: [Tagging] Mapping cave tunnels passable by human

2014-08-14 Thread Dan S
2014-08-14 12:01 GMT+01:00 Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at: On 14.08.2014 07:29, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: I added to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cave#Tagging_in_OSM how these may be mapped Given that you want to discuss wiki changes, you should start the discussion before you

Re: [Tagging] separator for addr:housenumber=*

2014-08-18 Thread Dan S
2014-08-18 15:04 GMT+01:00 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: Hey On the English wiki page [1] comma is the proposed separator for several values of addr:housenumber. This contradicts our rule of using semi-colon as separator of values and I do not have a clue why. Probably led by what users

[Tagging] interpolated housenumbers on single objects

2014-08-18 Thread Dan S
Hi taggers, When mapping recently, I encountered many addresses which contain multiple housenumbers behind single entrances. I've used interpolation before, and used it in the traditional sense to map a range along a row of houses. But here we have an interpolated range on a single object, not

Re: [Tagging] interpolated housenumbers on single objects

2014-08-20 Thread Dan S
Hi, Thanks all for your thoughts. Will and Holger seem to have the same approach as me, which gives me the confidence to edit the wiki and at least document this approach: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Addresses#Buildings_with_multiple_house_numbers Hopefully I've done it in a way which

Re: [Tagging] interpolated housenumbers on single objects

2014-08-20 Thread Dan S
2014-08-20 11:11 GMT+01:00 Ilpo Järvinen ilpo.jarvi...@helsinki.fi: On Wed, 20 Aug 2014, Will Phillips wrote: On 20/08/2014 00:02, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Il giorno 19/ago/2014, alle ore 23:45, Will Phillips wp4...@gmail.com ha scritto: I find that by far the most time

Re: [Tagging] Ambiguous surface=wood

2014-08-22 Thread Dan S
I'd say it's very rare that wood could be interpreted as possibly meaning woodchip. Woodchip has very different material properties, and different affordances for travellers. A little bit like saying wood might mean sawdust ;) surface=woodchip is used more often than surface=woodchips, though

Re: [Tagging] separator for addr:housenumber=*

2014-08-24 Thread Dan S
2014-08-24 11:05 GMT+01:00 Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at: On 20.08.2014 10:18, Holger Jeromin wrote: Andreas Labres wrote on 20.08.2014 04:10: On 19.08.14 23:17, fly wrote: but 265-267 is wrong Read as tagging 265-267 alone is wrong. Disagree. addr:housenumber is the official number

Re: [Tagging] separator for addr:housenumber=*

2014-08-24 Thread Dan S
2014-08-24 11:24 GMT+01:00 Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at: On 18.08.2014 22:36, Janko Mihelić wrote: What happens when the same entrance has two housenumbers, each from its own street? I'm sure this exists somewhere. The housenumber belongs on the building or building part, not the

Re: [Tagging] separator for addr:housenumber=*

2014-08-24 Thread Dan S
Hi Christian, As I've already mentioned, in the other thread we discussed a disambiguation. I would suggest that if you find only addr:housenumber=265-269 then you can't really assume any interpolation, and I would argue that even transforming it to 265 and 269 is going beyond what the data

Re: [Tagging] default value for oneway

2014-08-28 Thread Dan S
2014-08-28 14:45 GMT+01:00 Xavier Noria f...@hashref.com: On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: I wish people in OSM would stop making things up, believing it makes their point of view stronger. What? I am not assuming one-way would be a better default. Nor

[Tagging] University accommodation (was Re: Future proposal - RFC - amenity=dormitory)

2014-09-19 Thread Dan S
Hi all, I have been fixing some university tagging (Sheffield contained hundreds of amenity=university!). For student accommodation, I have been using for buildings: building=residential + residential=university + operator=* OR for sites: landuse=residential +

Re: [Tagging] University accommodation (was Re: Future proposal - RFC - amenity=dormitory)

2014-09-20 Thread Dan S
2014-09-19 15:52 GMT+01:00 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: On 19.09.2014 14:22 Dan S wrote: for buildings: building=residential + residential=university + operator=* OR for sites: landuse=residential + residential=university + operator=* Note that the same scheme seems to me

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-21 Thread Dan S
Hi - It looks like there's this tag, including a tag suggested for your specific issue: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmassage Best Dan 2014-09-21 4:23 GMT+01:00 Mishari Muqbil mish...@mishari.net: Hi, Thailand has these places called entertainment complexes[1] that offers

Re: [Tagging] University accommodation (was Re: Future proposal - RFC - amenity=dormitory)

2014-09-21 Thread Dan S
2014-09-21 0:49 GMT+01:00 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 7:09 AM, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: Dormitories are rooms with multiple beds, usually bunk beds and associated with youth hostels, certainly not suitable for student accommodation where there is

Re: [Tagging] University accommodation (was Re: Future proposal - RFC - amenity=dormitory)

2014-09-21 Thread Dan S
2014-09-19 16:15 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2014-09-19 14:22 GMT+02:00 Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com: for buildings: building=residential + residential=university + operator=* OR for sites: landuse=residential + residential=university + operator

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-21 Thread Dan S
=convenience+marijuana=yes in most parts of the world). How about something like a combination of: amenity=massage_parlour male=yes female=no min_age=21 This should be quite accurate. On 21/9/14 16:04, Dan S wrote: Hi - It looks like there's this tag, including a tag suggested for your

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - residential=gated

2014-09-21 Thread Dan S
Hi all, Motivated by the discussion around residential=* sub-tagging, I thought it would be useful to get a bit more clarity, by taking some existing sub-tagging and putting it through RFC. Here is a proposal for residential=gated:

[Tagging] RFC: Student accommodation building

2014-09-21 Thread Dan S
Hi all, Following the tagging conversation about student accommodation buildings, I created a proposal wiki page, to document the different tagging perspectives, and maybe one day work towards half a consensus ;)

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-22 Thread Dan S
2014-09-22 7:29 GMT+01:00 Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.de: On 21.09.2014 11:04, Dan S wrote: It looks like there's this tag, including a tag suggested for your specific issue: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmassage please don't use shop=massage for this kind of places

Re: [Tagging] Retag: craft=sweep = craft=chimney_sweep

2014-10-03 Thread Dan S
2014-10-03 12:06 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2014-10-03 12:58 GMT+02:00 Tom Pfeifer t.pfei...@computer.org: I agree that craft=chimney_sweep is less ambiguous than =sweep alone, and with currently 24 instances in taginfo it would be a good time to change wiki and

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-10-03 Thread Dan S
2014-10-03 18:14 GMT+01:00 Tom Pfeifer t.pfei...@computer.org: Martin Koppenhoefer wrote on 2014-10-03 15:32: 2014-10-03 15:19 GMT+02:00 Tom Pfeifer: I feel the need for a landuse tag for governmental / administrative use, maybe in the context of further civic use. We do have

Re: [Tagging] cleanup of the key natural

2014-10-07 Thread Dan S
Hi Martin, OK, well since you requested comments: Firstly, I find it difficult to understand what makes your proposed split more coherent or easy to learn than thewiki- grouping that you propose to revert! By the way please don't start a revert battle without first talking to that editor.

Re: [Tagging] Default maxspeed unit on waterways

2014-10-29 Thread Dan S
2014-10-29 14:07 GMT+00:00 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Tom Pfeifer t.pfei...@computer.org wrote: km/h is derived, at least with an integer multiple of seconds, from SI units. mph and knots are not. I would prefer to keep one default unit per tag, consistently,

Re: [Tagging] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.23.0

2014-10-29 Thread Dan S
Frederik, The tagging and the wiki have been that way for many years. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bed_and_breakfast I share your discomfort, since I think of a BB as a different thing from a guesthouse. But over the years I've ended up using this tagging since it's documented and appears

Re: [Tagging] path vs footway

2014-11-04 Thread Dan S
One of the most important differences is that for highway=footway, we know that pedestrians are allowed (unless other tags alter the access explicitly). With highway=path we can't always assume that pedestrians are allowed along it. I know there are routing systems that care about this difference.

Re: [Tagging] Pathways with steep vertical slopes, accessed via climbing chains

2014-11-04 Thread Dan S
Hi - I don't have a direct answer I'm afraid. But please try not to think about what gets rendered - the default style shown on the osm.org homepage is just one of hundreds of rendering styles that are used. If there are existing tags in use, great, whether or not they show on the osm.org

Re: [Tagging] Combining gas stations convenience stores

2014-12-05 Thread Dan S
Hi - It doesn't make sense to me to have a specific tag for fuel and convenience. Maybe I misunderstand you. I would say, keep copying the addresses! There are lots of situations where multiple co-located items have the same address, e.g. a small post office inside a supermarket. If you invented

Re: [Tagging] Mapping of kids areas

2014-12-15 Thread Dan S
Hi, The obvious question is: why not using leisure=playground? Since the definition in the first link you give says an area where kids can play. Dan 2014-12-15 10:51 GMT+00:00 Dmitry Kiselev dkise...@osm.me: Hi We have

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of associatedStreet-relations

2015-01-22 Thread Dan S
2015-01-22 6:53 GMT+00:00 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com: It seems like the German community started some voting process on the deprecation of the associatedStreet-relation (it was on the mailing list and on the forum). Discussion is going on on the wiki

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reception Desk

2015-02-06 Thread Dan S
Hi, No big objections from me, sounds useful. However it occurs to me that it would be useful to have some way of indicating _what_ it is the reception for. For example, if it was part of a site relation*, then a role like role=reception would connect it to the larger entity in a meaningful way.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - addrN:*

2015-01-16 Thread Dan S
2015-01-15 23:48 GMT+00:00 Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at: On 15.01.2015 13:10, Dan S wrote: The addrN scheme is really quite awkward Can you explain why you find it awkward? It seems to me that the displeasure felt with the addrN scheme is caused by a phenomenon called transference

Re: [Tagging] Ethnic shops

2015-01-16 Thread Dan S
That's not a flaw - you've already given the solution in your own email: Basically you want to label restaurants/shops only if they offer something different from what's the typical local fare. 2015-01-16 13:23 GMT+00:00 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com: This, and already the existing

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - addrN:*

2015-01-15 Thread Dan S
2015-01-15 11:53 GMT+00:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2015-01-15 12:43 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: With addrN:*=* it's clear that the same place has two addresses. If there are two nodes, it seems like there are two places (Two entrances, two apartments, two

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-21 Thread Dan S
Now you're insulting the one person who was supporting you? Please STOP this thread everyone. Please. 2015-01-21 8:55 GMT+00:00 Никита acr...@gmail.com: Just because one can use a regular expression to grep out a certain meaning doesn't mean it's a good thing to do and will always work We

Re: [Tagging] building=yes on nodes?

2015-02-16 Thread Dan S
All building=* on nodes is fine. As others have pointed out, it is often necessary in HOT aerial mapping when we have low-resolution imagery to work from. Also, for humanitarian purposes there are serious uses for node-only buildings, for estimating the population or the population distribution

Re: [Tagging] ?=maze

2015-02-19 Thread Dan S
Yes Mateusz, +1 from me, sounds good - Dan 2015-02-19 8:00 GMT+00:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com: I think that attraction=maze is better than attraction:type (shorter, without colon, type is not really adding anything useful, clear detailing of tourism=attraction). 2015-02-19 3:59

Re: [Tagging] Ethnic shops

2015-01-28 Thread Dan S
2015-01-28 18:52 GMT+00:00 Eric SIBERT courr...@eric.sibert.fr: I started modifying the wiki following our recent discussion. For cuisine=*, I added: May also apply to other services that deliver food, like convenience. For shop=convenience, I added (in Tags used in combination): Stores

Re: [Tagging] pre-RFC: relation type=cluster/group

2015-01-06 Thread Dan S
Hi - Does relation=site help? It sounds to me like a very similar concept: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Site Best Dan 2015-01-06 10:36 GMT+00:00 Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at: I was going to write a proposal for relation type=cluster

Re: [Tagging] pre-RFC: relation type=cluster/group

2015-01-06 Thread Dan S
Oh, sorry, I see you mention it in the proposal. Still I don't see what would be bad about using site for the examples in your proposal, but I'll leave that there since you presumably feel differently. Dan 2015-01-06 10:18 GMT+00:00 Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com: Hi - Does relation=site help

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Changeset messaging Notes feature question

2015-01-09 Thread Dan S
This appears to be nothing to do with tagging - you've presumably sent to this list by mistake... 2015-01-09 12:12 GMT+00:00 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com: On 01/01/2015 00:39, Tom Hughes wrote: On 01/01/15 00:36, Dave F. wrote: I'm struggling to comprehend how a button to turn off the

Re: [Tagging] Revisiting proposal/voting scheme

2015-03-18 Thread Dan S
2015-03-18 21:58 GMT+00:00 David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net: On Wed, 2015-03-18 at 21:40 +0100, Kotya Karapetyan wrote: . would it make sense to change the current proposal/voting mechanism like follows? - When the discussion calms down (which can even be defined

Re: [Tagging] Revisiting proposal/voting scheme

2015-03-19 Thread Dan S
2015-03-18 23:56 GMT+00:00 David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net: Kotya, in no way was I criticising the leadership you have shown in this matter ! Its just that I preferred Dan's approach. Key IMHO is - * A proposal gets to wiki in much the same manner as now. * Once on the wiki, instead

Re: [Tagging] List v Forum - was Accepted or rejected?

2015-03-20 Thread Dan S
2015-03-19 22:42 GMT+00:00 Kotya Karapetyan kotya.li...@gmail.com: On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 11:28 PM, Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com wrote: I use Stack Exchange a lot and it's great, very well designed for its purpose. BUT Stack Exchange is not designed for community decision making

Re: [Tagging] List v Forum - was Accepted or rejected?

2015-03-20 Thread Dan S
2015-03-20 11:50 GMT+00:00 althio althio.fo...@gmail.com: I use Stack Exchange a lot and it's great, very well designed for its purpose. BUT Stack Exchange is not designed for community decision making. There are tools/forums that are actually designed for that purpose. 1) Can you

Re: [Tagging] Blatant tagging for the renderer: bridges abandoned railways

2015-03-09 Thread Dan S
2015-03-09 16:18 GMT+00:00 ael law_ence@ntlworld.com: The edits you did can be described as (semi-)vandalism. That sort of comment is unworthy of OSM. I did the surveys. Very carefully. I tagged corectly as far as I knew at the time. [...] Your sort of comment to someone who has

Re: [Tagging] Buildings blocks

2015-03-12 Thread Dan S
2015-03-11 12:06 GMT+00:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2015-03-11 12:56 GMT+01:00 Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org: As you can see, each block is subdivided into land plots - each with a courtyard and several buildings that usually all belong to an extended family. Those

Re: [Tagging] Accepted or rejected?

2015-03-14 Thread Dan S
Hi, No, I think it means what it says. Or at least, I think we have treated it that way for a long while. When there is very low interest (i.e. very few votes) - which is pretty common - then even one dissenting vote is enough to make us step back and think again, whereas if there are enough

Re: [Tagging] [OT] Licensing of information from websites

2015-03-31 Thread Dan S
2015-03-31 12:51 GMT+01:00 Andrew Guertin andrew.guer...@uvm.edu: I wonder that nobody so far did spell out a warning about adding information from websites. The simple key website=* is ok, but every information like address, prizes and all the amenities is most of the time not usable due to

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