Re: [Tagging] Powerlines underground

2013-01-15 Thread François Lacombe
for me to get in business. The aim of my proposal is to refine the tagging model, not to create new for the moment. There're many ways to get data about underground lines and the best is still to watch the digging works and take photos. Regards. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom

Re: [Tagging] Powerlines underground

2013-01-15 Thread François Lacombe
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Re: [Tagging] Powerlines underground

2013-01-15 Thread François Lacombe
Nice example Phil, thanks a lot. My tagging scheme works great with it : power=line + locaion=underground :) 2013/1/15 A.Pirard.Papou a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com Shouldn't the tag be voltage:power=40 ? ;-) No problem I mean : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:voltage *François

Re: [Tagging] Powerlines underground

2013-01-15 Thread François Lacombe
in the example picture https://lh3.ggpht.com/-CnkQkGiPmbs/UFM6M2N0lUI/Ark/IMZxA3i6SmY/s1600/tunnel.png My conclusion: I would simply suggest to accept both power=line and power=cable as equivalent. The average mapper is not an electrical engineer after all. Volker -- *François Lacombe

Re: [Tagging] Powerlines underground

2013-01-15 Thread François Lacombe
connections having an unknown number of cables, see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/**wiki/Key:circuitshttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:circuits . And I totally agree with you on this side of the tagging scheme :) Regards. -- *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu

Re: [Tagging] Powerlines underground, Vol 40, Issue 30

2013-01-16 Thread François Lacombe
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Re: [Tagging] Powerlines underground

2013-01-16 Thread François Lacombe
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[Tagging] Wiki draft about power lines

2013-01-16 Thread François Lacombe
of improvement? Cheers. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Powerlines underground

2013-01-16 Thread François Lacombe
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Re: [Tagging] Powerlines underground

2013-01-17 Thread François Lacombe
overground needs to be heated to avoid oil from freezing right in the pipe. Caucasian ones need to be underground. etc... Different implementations but one only tag. Think about it. 2013/1/17 François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu I don't see any thing against using level=* to solve

Re: [Tagging] Powerlines underground

2013-01-17 Thread François Lacombe
=underground. http://www.rte-france.com/uploads/media/pdf_zip/presse/dp-2006/dp_ifa_30_11_2006.pdf location=* seems better and more precise to describe several situations than power=cable. 2013/1/17 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com 2013/1/17 François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu It can

Re: [Tagging] Powerlines underground

2013-01-18 Thread François Lacombe
Hi. I follow the suggestion of Oligo. The discussion continues on the cable tag's page ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:power%3Dcable). Regards. 2013/1/17 François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu Yes you're right. But I location values list sould be completed

[Tagging] Is the difference between power station and sub station clear?

2013-01-20 Thread François Lacombe
that question in order to eventually deprecate it and move reusable wiki stuff from power=station to power=sub_station? In my opinion, I of course hope it will be deprecated shortly as for simplify a bit this side of my mapping activity :) Regards good night. -- *François Lacombe* francois dot

Re: [Tagging] Is the difference between power station and sub station clear?

2013-01-21 Thread François Lacombe
. Problem is, it is still used quite a lot. Janko ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos

Re: [Tagging] Is the difference between power station and sub station clear?

2013-01-21 Thread François Lacombe
to a deprecation we can ask for a special osmose update as for be informed of existing objects which could be shown as old stuff. Do you agree gentlemen? Regards. 2013/1/21 Ole Nielsen on-...@xs4all.nl On 21/01/2013 11:02, François Lacombe wrote: But the current usage of a tag doesn't avoid its

Re: [Tagging] Is the difference between power station and sub station clear?

2013-01-24 Thread François Lacombe
=substation seems to be better than power=sub_station since a sub station is a sub marine facility. Should we take care of that? 2013/1/22 Ole Nielsen on-...@xs4all.nl On 22/01/2013 00:49, John Sturdy wrote: On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 7:33 PM, François Lacombe francois.lacombe@telecom

Re: [Tagging] Powerlines underground

2013-01-24 Thread François Lacombe
should be updated with the current values. Thanks to take time to think about it. Regards. 2013/1/18 François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu Hi. I follow the suggestion of Oligo. The discussion continues on the cable tag's page ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki

Re: [Tagging] Is the difference between power station and sub station clear?

2013-01-24 Thread François Lacombe
would deprecate power=sub_station too and redirect users the same way as the rest of old values. Does it really worth that kind of hard work? 2013/1/24 Andrew Errington erringt...@gmail.com On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 18:40:05 François Lacombe wrote: Ok, I agree with you about substation vs sub_station

Re: [Tagging] Is the difference between power station and sub station clear?

2013-01-25 Thread François Lacombe
electric power is produced according to the proposal of don-vip. The problem with that big RFC is it uses power=substation instead of power=sub_station. Must it be edited and revoted? -- *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com

Re: [Tagging] Is the difference between power station and sub station clear?

2013-01-25 Thread François Lacombe
the voltages, note it (in and out, BTW). The voltages in and out should be written on power=transformer, more than the substation. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Power_generation_refinement#Transformer Regards. -- *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu

Re: [Tagging] Is the difference between power station and sub station clear?

2013-01-25 Thread François Lacombe
functional role in power grids. power=substation seems to be the rightest value to use but power=sub_station would do the trick too. -- *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] Is the difference between power station and sub station clear?

2013-01-25 Thread François Lacombe
of power=* because it's still a power line matter. The second one concern the values minor_* like power=miinor_line, power=minor_cable... Shouldn't we use two tags instead of only one to specify such information? These issues had to be discussed in an overall proposal. Cheers. *François Lacombe

Re: [Tagging] Is the difference between power station and sub station clear?

2013-01-26 Thread François Lacombe
every substation with power=substation and put any extra tag to define what kind of substation it is. We must put only one idea per tag. In a big 400 kV substation or a small local substation I see two main ideas. On 25.01.2013 15:44, François Lacombe wrote: The main problem is precisely

Re: [Tagging] Is the difference between power station and sub station clear?

2013-01-27 Thread François Lacombe
as for not extracting sentences from their context. Cheers. -- *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Is the difference between power station and sub station clear?

2013-01-27 Thread François Lacombe
/uploads/2012/03/1.1274402303.the-world-s-smallest-church.jpg The word substation says nothing about it's size, just like school or church. Why should we invent new meanings for words? +2e8000. Good job :) *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos

Re: [Tagging] Is the difference between power station and sub station clear?

2013-01-29 Thread François Lacombe
voltages below 50 kV have to be replaced by something new, say power_box, power_distribution_cabinet or something like that and those that handle higher voltages should loose their underspace. Greatings Heinrich == *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos

Re: [Tagging] Is the difference between power station and sub station clear?

2013-01-30 Thread François Lacombe
should attract attention). Data consumers should continue to support 'station' for the time being until the use of the tag is clearly declining. One thing: Don't perform any mass retagging of 'station'! +1 again. -- *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http

Re: [Tagging] Is the difference between power station and sub station clear?

2013-02-03 Thread François Lacombe
, I would re-introduce his proposal to re-vote it. Feel free to continue the discussion on non-solved points before the vote start. Be sure the vote starting date will be announced properly on this mailing-list. Regards. -- *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http

[Tagging] Power generation refinement proposal

2013-02-10 Thread François Lacombe
procedure. So vote may begin the 11th march, 2013. Cheers, François. -- *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo

[Tagging] Power transmission refinement proposal

2013-02-11 Thread François Lacombe
one, it would be great to get it accepted in few month. More time may be needed to improve and complete it, instead of the Power generation proposal. I've already edited it with the power cable vs line debate. Cheers, François. -- *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot

[Tagging] Power proposals

2013-03-14 Thread François Lacombe
upon the Bahnpirat's and Surly's work. Many thanks to Polderrunner, Bahnpirat, Surly, Oligo, Don-vip, FK270673, Alv and whoever else I forgot for their useful comments. Have a look and don't hesitate to get involve in debate on discussion pages. Cheers. -- *François Lacombe* francois dot

Re: [Tagging] Power proposals

2013-03-14 Thread François Lacombe
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Re: [Tagging] Power proposals

2013-03-14 Thread François Lacombe
choose areas around plants. Cheers. -- *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Power generation proposal

2013-03-25 Thread François Lacombe
. Cheers. -- *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Power generation refinement: power plant model evolution

2013-04-05 Thread François Lacombe
. Cheers, *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Power generation refinement: power plant model evolution

2013-04-06 Thread François Lacombe
to the rest of proposal. Cheers! -- *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Power generation refinement: power plant model evolution

2013-04-07 Thread François Lacombe
model is optional and may be used by experienced users only. I wish everyone a nice Sunday, cheers. 2013/4/6 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com Hi! 2013/4/6 François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu Looks fine, but why do we need a relation for single-site facilities

Re: [Tagging] Power generation refinement: power plant model evolution

2013-04-07 Thread François Lacombe
/2013 um 16:34 schrieb François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu: Even if the spatial DB allows us to compute closed ways to get what is inside, we don't have any distinguishing element associated to all that stuff. Mainly, dealing with intermediate and output generators requires

Re: [Tagging] Power generation refinement: power plant model evolution

2013-04-07 Thread François Lacombe
would be encountered so we won't actually have so many single site power plant. = Only the substation is off the power plant site. Do we have to link substation and power plants this way? Cheers, -- *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos

[Tagging] Life cycle group

2013-04-07 Thread François Lacombe
refinement proposal and wait for a better definition at a whole wiki scale, do you? Looking forward for your suggestions, cheers. -- *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Power generation refinement: power plant model evolution

2013-04-08 Thread François Lacombe
! Am 08.04.2013 um 00:03 schrieb François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu: Hi again :) 2013/4/7 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com Hi! Actually how could that happen? I don't have example, I was only guessing. Assuming 2 different power plants with output generators in each

[Tagging] Classifications of power lines

2013-04-08 Thread François Lacombe
. It would be great to merge this work as for producing consistent one-shot content and be sure everyone will agree it by voting. Don't you? Cheers. -- *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com

Re: [Tagging] Power generation refinement: power plant model evolution

2013-04-08 Thread François Lacombe
2013/4/8 Ole Nielsen on-...@xs4all.nl On 08/04/2013 15:02, François Lacombe wrote: I finally agree with you. I've began to update the proposal to remove relations in all cases except when power plant doesn't have any physical permimeter. Thanks! You're welcome :) I've been sure

Re: [Tagging] generator:output:electricity - for photovoltaic panels?

2013-04-08 Thread François Lacombe
/listinfo/tagging -- *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Life cycle group

2013-04-08 Thread François Lacombe
. Ole __**_ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/tagginghttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos

Re: [Tagging] Power generation refinement: power plant model evolution

2013-04-09 Thread François Lacombe
objections? Cheers. 2013/4/9 LM_1 flukas.robot+...@gmail.com Could there not be something else than a generator=* in a role of a generator? LM_1 2013/4/9 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com Hi again :-) 2013/4/9 François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu This is where I

Re: [Tagging] Power generation refinement: power plant model evolution

2013-04-09 Thread François Lacombe
by the proposal, what would a consumer do with an unknown role? Absolutely nothing. So we can drop all roles? Cheers. -- *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Power generation refinement: power plant model evolution

2013-04-10 Thread François Lacombe
mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [Tagging] Power generation refinement: power plant model evolution

2013-04-11 Thread François Lacombe
compromise on that special topic? Many thanks in advance for your opinion. Cheers. 2013/4/11 François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu Hi. I've just updated the page to remove roles specification. The specific roles chapter became a specific elements one since it gives useful

Re: [Tagging] Power generation refinement: power plant model evolution

2013-04-14 Thread François Lacombe
: *what is used for airports, train stations, factories,... ?* If we can't do that, I'll make a choice which won't satisfy everyone here and *the proposal may not be accepted* (which is not an option for me when I look back to the amount of time I spent on it). Cheers. -- *François Lacombe

Re: [Tagging] Power generation refinement: power plant model evolution

2013-04-16 Thread François Lacombe
Hi, 2013/4/14 François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu It would be great to find out what are the state of the art in OSM to make a better choice than heads or tails : *what is used for airports, train stations, factories,... ?* Airports : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki

[Tagging] Surge tank

2013-04-17 Thread François Lacombe
Location : http://goo.gl/maps/DwxDI If nothing had been defined yet, I may use water=surge_tank on a member node of a pipeline=water way. Is there any other way to map it? Thanks in advance, cheers. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos

Re: [Tagging] Surge tank

2013-04-17 Thread François Lacombe
amount of water is mush more important than anywhere else so surge tanks are needed. I made a mistake in my first mail : I would use water=sruge_tank on a man_made=pipeline + type=water way. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com 2013/4/17

Re: [Tagging] Surge tank

2013-04-19 Thread François Lacombe
. Finally, water strongly fall down to valves + turbines through a shielded shaft, several pipes prevent visitors to be flooded and they may walk safely beside. It would be good to explain that on wiki indeed. Cheers. -- *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http

Re: [Tagging] Power generation refinement: power plant model evolution

2013-04-21 Thread François Lacombe
Hi, I hope everyone had a good weekend. It was time for me to clean up examples and fix some bugs in the proposal description. It's not perfect but it becomes clearer each day. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Power_generation_refinement#Examples Cheers. *François

Re: [Tagging] Surge tank

2013-04-23 Thread François Lacombe
, *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com 2013/4/23 Werner Poppele popp...@hm.edu François Lacombe wrote: Hi again. Le vendredi 19 avril 2013, Pieren a écrit : I would not create a special page for this but just enhance

[Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Power generation refinement

2013-05-27 Thread François Lacombe
to put your opinion at the bottom of that page. Cheers. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Underground power lines in tunnel

2013-06-03 Thread François Lacombe
ever encounter that situation ? Many thanks in advance, cheers. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo

Re: [Tagging] Underground power lines in tunnel

2013-06-04 Thread François Lacombe
to build something in transmission refinement with it since type=tunnel proposal isn't voted yet. Don't we have something more reliable ? Cheers. François Lacombe francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com 2013/6/4 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: On 04.06.2013 00:26

Re: [Tagging] Underground power lines in tunnel

2013-06-05 Thread François Lacombe
isn't easy to map since we can't use GPS. But nothing prevent us to create a relation to setup such a link between roads and bridge for example. That's why I'm interested by the proposal given above. Nobody wants it accepted ? Cheers. François Lacombe francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot

Re: [Tagging] Underground power lines in tunnel

2013-06-05 Thread François Lacombe
which tube the road way represent. Since OSM doesn't manage relation member attributes at all, it will be difficult. = A relation for each tube or gallery ? François Lacombe francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com

Re: [Tagging] Underground power lines in tunnel

2013-06-05 Thread François Lacombe
way, according to what I explained before. Cheers. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com 2013/6/5 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com Am 05.06.2013 00:11, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: On 04/giu/2013, at 08:54, Peter Wendorff wendo

Re: [Tagging] Underground power lines in tunnel

2013-06-06 Thread François Lacombe
discuss it on Talk page ? :) Cheers. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Power generation refinement

2013-06-11 Thread François Lacombe
Hi gentlemen, 2013/6/11 Ole Nielsen on-...@xs4all.nl It would be better to move this discussion to the discussion page of the transmission proposal (this thread is about the approved power plant proposal!) Done, and proposal is up to date with that comment. Good night ! *François

[Tagging] Penstock vs aqueduct

2013-06-19 Thread François Lacombe
in construction. For me it's more an aquduct than a penstock. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Water_Tunnel_No._3 Cheers. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] How should I create a proposal to alter (not create a new) tag?

2013-06-23 Thread François Lacombe
. Cheers. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com 2013/6/23 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com The proposal/voting instructions at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Creating_a_proposal Are mostly about inventing new tags. What's

[Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - Power transmission refinement

2013-07-05 Thread François Lacombe
consensus yet : must poles towers be voltage dependent or not ? Thanks in advance for your additional comments and have a nice week end. Cheers. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - Power transmission refinement

2013-07-21 Thread François Lacombe
, medium and low values on talk page. Except those details points, proposal sounds complete to me. Thanks in advance. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com 2013/7/5 François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu Hi, I'm

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - Power transmission refinement

2013-07-25 Thread François Lacombe
of view, nevertheless I won't change that key point of the proposal. Votes will tell me if I'm right... or wrong. Thank you. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com 2013/7/25 Kytömaa Lauri lauri.kyto...@aalto.fi http

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - Power transmission refinement

2013-07-25 Thread François Lacombe
want me to change anything if you're going this way ? Please note that power generation refinement was built identically : IEC definitions against OSM legacy usages and it was accepted even if power=generator used to be for power plants mapping. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom

[Tagging] Fwd: Feature proposal - RFC - Power transmission refinement

2013-07-27 Thread François Lacombe
Here is a mail that can be useful to see in ML. -- Forwarded message -- From: François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu Date: 2013/7/27 Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - Power transmission refinement To: Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com 2013/7/27

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - Power transmission refinement

2013-07-28 Thread François Lacombe
A new item Visible vs not has been added to Talk and deals with the problem of underground lines. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Power_transmission_refinement#Visible_vs._Not *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Substation Refinement

2013-07-31 Thread François Lacombe
model to map sevral big and small French substations and I didn't find any big issues. How about the hosted features on poles / towers discussion ? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Substation_refinement#Transformer_type Cheers, *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Substation Refinement

2013-08-06 Thread François Lacombe
for hosted features on a pole or tower at the end of Transformer Type chapter. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Substation_refinement#Transformer_type But It's wise to wait for september to start voting indeed :) Cheers, *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom

[Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-13 Thread François Lacombe
in account. Let's talk about that Cheers. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-14 Thread François Lacombe
nodes like this yet in db but if we setup tagging, they will. Any other point of view ? *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com 2013/8/14 Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net writes: I would prefer that you

Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-14 Thread François Lacombe
thing) than only selecting power=transformer . And it will be done just because things are deeply rooted in wiki and tag-info. That's just astounding. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com 2013/8/14 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre

Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-16 Thread François Lacombe
(or to use the same tags as many other people). Many thanks to consider this point of view prior to look at a number in tag-info. Cheers. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-17 Thread François Lacombe
I totally agree with Janko. A meta-tagging model will allow more agility when tag a replaced or deprecated. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com 2013/8/17 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com I agree with the reasoning behind man_made

Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-18 Thread François Lacombe
/Power_transmission_refinement#Power_vs_man_made_for_towers_and_poles I hope this alternative will receive more positive opinion than before. Have a nice day. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com 2013/8/17 François Lacombe francois.laco

Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-20 Thread François Lacombe
What to do regarding what ? To choose between power_tower or power_pole ? For a huge power tower it should be man_made=power_tower. IEC says it's not a voltage matter. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com 2013/8/19 Bryce Nesbitt bry

Re: [Tagging] telephone lines (and marking other things we don't map)

2013-08-27 Thread François Lacombe
=telecommunication which would lead us to edit the power proposal with : * man_made=tower + tower:type=power * man_made=pole + pole:type=power *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-27 Thread François Lacombe
* Telecommunications man_made=tower/mast tower:type=communication Thank you for your comments. François. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com 2013/8/18 François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu Hi, Power transmission refinement

Re: [Tagging] telephone lines (and marking other things we don't map)

2013-08-28 Thread François Lacombe
Good point James, We just have to use tower:type=power;communication;whatever for these situations. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com 2013/8/28 James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com But what if the pole has both telephone

Re: [Tagging] telephone lines (and marking other things we don't map)

2013-08-28 Thread François Lacombe
+1 Martin, it would make the model simpler. * man_made=tower + tower:type=utility * man_made=pole I don't think there something smaller, do you ? *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com 2013/8/28 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre

Re: [Tagging] telephone lines (and marking other things we don't map)

2013-08-28 Thread François Lacombe
between power and communication. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Substation Refinement

2013-08-30 Thread François Lacombe
many to do with power=* *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Substation Refinement

2013-09-01 Thread François Lacombe
transformers which deserve the most the usage of power=* ? *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Substation Refinement

2013-09-01 Thread François Lacombe
to transformer=* (type of transformer) described in your proposal. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Substation_refinement#Transformer Example : power=pole pole:transformer=yes transformer=distribution voltage=2;400 transformer:ref=XX pole:ref= *François Lacombe

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Substation Refinement

2013-09-02 Thread François Lacombe
Ok, but 'yes' has to be added to the transformer=* table of values in the proposal. It isn't for now, that's why I thought we can't use it in this particular case. And what about multi-utilities poles ? IMHO they definetly can't only be identified by power=* tag. *François Lacombe* francois

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Substation Refinement

2013-09-02 Thread François Lacombe
/.a/6a00d83454563069e2016762e8ff59970b-800wi All that stuff is currently tagged with power=pole but we are far from only having power here. Do you think average mappers will only see power at first sight ? *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com 2013/9/2 alessandro

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Substation Refinement

2013-09-02 Thread François Lacombe
, perfect solution. How does she/he know what the wires are made for ? We can explain it in the wiki. If mappers aren't knowledgeable about the kind of supported networks on the pole, using man_made won't make them trying to guess if it's power=* or communication=* *François Lacombe* francois

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Substation Refinement

2013-09-02 Thread François Lacombe
2013/9/2 Ole Nielsen on-...@xs4all.nl On 02/09/2013 09:58, François Lacombe wrote: Ok, but 'yes' has to be added to the transformer=* table of values in the proposal. Done, but with the recommendation to use a more specific value such as distribution if possible. Nice. Thank you. You

[Tagging] owner vs operator

2013-09-03 Thread François Lacombe
://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/?key=owner I won't write a big proposal and lead to a vote for such a simple thing. Just let us know how do you feel about it. Cheers. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com

Re: [Tagging] owner vs operator

2013-09-03 Thread François Lacombe
). We can refine these terms on the page to remove any confusion. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com 2013/9/3 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2013/9/3 Pieren pier...@gmail.com but : Useful to describe that a certain map

Re: [Tagging] How to overcome lack of consensus

2013-09-18 Thread François Lacombe
kind of data consumers in OSM... *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness

2013-09-21 Thread François Lacombe
://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtower#Tower_type One of these tags should be renamed. Which one should be targeted ? Cheers. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness

2013-09-22 Thread François Lacombe
2013/9/22 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com Am 22/set/2013 um 15:40 schrieb fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: P.s.: What about towers/poles for aerialways ? I wouldn't tag them as man_made=tower I introduce man_made=pole if you want ;) *François Lacombe* francois dot

Re: [Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness

2013-09-22 Thread François Lacombe
a picture. It's like this. http://wharferj.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/electricity-pylons-001.jpg and about minor_line? minor_line should be deprecated by power transmission refinement. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com

Re: [Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness

2013-09-22 Thread François Lacombe
currently, it's useless to find a solution for it with pole vs tower vs pylon because it may not exist anymore. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

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