Re: [Tagging] Grape & vineyard. Was: Key crop values containing tree or field

2017-07-09 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Thanks everybody! First time that I've ever heard "vineyard" refer to anything other than wine making, so, as they say, you learn something every day! Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Key crop values containing tree or field

2017-07-08 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
I'd agree with you there Warin, the crop is what is being harvested, not the trees themselves. Another one I noticed on that page is *crop*=grape Vineyards, probably better to use landuse

Re: [Tagging] Services provided by a travel agency

2017-06-29 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
phone? I don't know what you would call the type of "shop" that Volker originally described, but maybe tourism=information woud cover it? Thanks Graeme On 30 June 2017 at 01:09, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > sent from a phone > >

Re: [Tagging] Services provided by a travel agency

2017-06-28 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
There is a tag for bicycle rental: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dbicycle_rental. Maybe just shop=tourism together with that? Thanks Graeme On 28 June 2017 at 23:03, Volker Schmidt wrote: > I think you are right on the man tag. > :-) > This leaves me

Re: [Tagging] marine traffic control towers

2017-07-29 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
I don't know if marine traffic control stations actually have a "proper" name, like airport control towers? Doesn't really seem to be anything that fits well? Best option would appear to come under man_made, possibly either :monitoring station

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposals - RFC for multiple features - Education Reform - Magnetic Levitation Trains

2017-09-17 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Looks good Erkin Question, thanks. We have Security Training "schools" (companies to train private security guards) & also Language Schools (usually to teach English to non-English speakers). Would these come under =speciality, or possibly =vocational? Would it be possibly be an idea to also

Re: [Tagging] Access by permit

2017-09-18 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 19 September 2017 at 03:56, Kevin Kenny wrote: > What I wanted was much more minimalistic: "permission is needed to enter > here, but permission is ordinarily granted." > Kevin Would something simple like access=yes once approved (decription - you must apply for

Re: [Tagging] shop=appliance vs. shop=electronics

2017-09-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 20 September 2017 at 00:13, Simon Poole wrote: > And another one from the ragged edge of tagging. > > iD has a preset for shop=appliance > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Appliance_Store , I > assume for shops that sell larger electrical goods washing

Re: [Tagging] Setting a preferred routing

2017-09-17 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
How about =proposed? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:proposed "For roads to be removed, use *proposed:highway*=no. This is understood by (at least) ITO's Transport Construction map." " - a further tag could be added to illustrate the expected

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposals - RFC for multiple features - Education Reform - Magnetic Levitation Trains

2017-09-17 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Thanks for clarification re "types" of training schools. Carrying on along the driving side of things but diverging a bit - how about flying & boating training schools? It was mentioned that for driver training, the school only teaches the student how to drive, then they must go to the Transport

Re: [Tagging] Access by permit

2017-09-18 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 18 September 2017 at 14:55, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 12:30 AM, Dave Swarthout > wrote: > >> I'm trying to tag some stocked fishing ponds that reside on a military >> reservation in Alaska, Fort Greely. The ponds

Re: [Tagging] war_memorial

2017-10-04 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Thanks everyone for your thoughts re arboretums Why I brought this up - had a look at the historic=monument tag yesterday morning, which lead me to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CheckTheMonuments & http://www.historic.place/themes/monuments/map.html. That showed 4 monuments in my general

Re: [Tagging] cake decorating school

2017-10-05 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Hi Dave This sort of thing was discussed a few weeks ago with the suggestion of an Education= tag to supplement the existing amenity=school listing: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2017-September/033455.html One of the concepts was for "special" training places to be listed as

Re: [Tagging] war_memorial

2017-10-03 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Question on memorials v monuments thanks. How about a memorial arboretum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arboretum), a commemorative planted grove of trees that you can walk through & sit under? Does that count as a monument, or is it a memorial? Thanks Graeme

Re: [Tagging] airstrip vs runway

2017-10-16 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 17 October 2017 at 14:55, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > --- > Slightly off topic - youtube video > Landing at Ononge Papua New Guinea. Note the approach over the village, > clearly showing; > why there are no 'residential' roads and why there are so many showing up

Re: [Tagging] phone validity - phone "preset"

2017-09-05 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 6 September 2017 at 02:51, marc marc wrote: > Hello, > > on the french-speaking mailing, a contributor noticed a high rate > of incorrect value for the tag "phone". the most common error is using > the national format number instead of the international format. >

Re: [Tagging] Emergency shelters

2017-09-10 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
> > Apparently the Red Cross have released an app (using Google Maps) that > > tracks the emergency shelters and also indicates which ones can't accept > > new evacuees because they are full. > > > PS , I haven't seem the Red Cross app but the reviews are not good, with > > one review describing

Re: [Tagging] Geological Faults

2017-09-11 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
& couldn't this only be done in OSM if the fault (or evidence of it) is actually visible on the Earth's surface? I mean, can we actually map a fault that's several / 0's / 00's klm under the ground? As David said though, really just a guess as I've also never been involved in that sort of thing.

[Tagging] Public wifi

2017-09-28 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Hi Noticed in the discussion of the devices tag, mention of devices attached to telephone booths, which got me thinking. Here in Australia, Telstra provides public wifi access via it's Telstra Air network (https://www.telstra.com.au/telstra-air), which is also linked to the international Fon

Re: [Tagging] tagging two former church locations, with the same name but unrelated to each other

2017-09-29 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
So all 3 churches are actually physically in existence? Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] tagging two former church locations, with the same name but unrelated to each other

2017-09-29 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
& I should have added: & operating? Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Public wifi

2017-09-29 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Thanks for that Marc & Warin I didn't notice that tag, buried down under "Properties" :-( Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion

2017-08-27 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Hi Just consulted with an authority in these matters - my wife! :-) Her take: shop=clothes is chain stores (ie same shop in multiple shopping centres / towns) aimed at lower-middle end of the market shop=fashion is middle - higher end, but still chain stores shop=boutique is "one-off" shops

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion

2017-08-29 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Hi Severin Thank you for that very detailed explanation! :-) Looks like yet another time when the same word means different things in different languages Thanks Graeme On 30 August 2017 at 03:27, Severin Menard wrote: > Hi, > > IMHO, I would drop shop=boutique

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion

2017-08-29 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Hi Daniel Thanks to you as well - what you've said backs Severin's comments up nicely > In Poland we use "butik" as a clothes fashion shop, however I would also > drop shop=boutique and shop=fashion. > > > And how should a typical tagger know what market segment it really is? > Especially

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion

2017-08-29 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 30 August 2017 at 13:20, Marc Gemis wrote: > A cafe is a place where they sell > beer, not ? > Not in Australia, no! > Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] airstrip vs runway

2017-10-09 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
I know there are some airstrips in SEQ that are privately owned & no-one is allowed to land without permission - should they be mapped as possible emergency strips? There are also charter planes that operate of the beach at Fraser Island - should that stretch of beach also be shown as a 'strip?

Re: [Tagging] Not mapping personal preferences and details

2017-10-05 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
But wouldn't you expect (hope? :-)) that the staff at a specialist shop, be it motorcycles, computers, 2-way radios or anything, would be "expert" in their field? Thanks Graeme On 5 October 2017 at 22:03, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > 2017-10-05 13:41 GMT+02:00 Tom

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Street_furniture

2017-10-17 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
> El 17/10/2017 23:44, "François Lacombe" > escribió: > > Hi, > > Let's not forget street cabinets :) > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet > > As Warin said, all those things (including cabinets) may not always be > along streets. >

Re: [Tagging] Additional sub tags for survey mark

2017-11-22 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
but the accuracy would be the key thing between a hill top and a trig > point as the trig point would be determined with much higher precision. > & the trig point is not necessarily on the highest point of the hill Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] Additional sub tags for survey mark

2017-11-20 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 21 November 2017 at 12:48, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > > I'm not sure, I've only seen two types the brass disk in the footpath, > gutter, road etc. and the rock or cement pillar with a plate on top, > sometimes with a black mental circle which can be seen from a

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Education Reform

2017-11-18 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Yes, I agree, good idea Thanks Graeme On 19 November 2017 at 08:31, José G Moya Y. wrote: > I will vote +1 because I liked your proposal in September > > But please refresh me, what's the difference between testcenter and > cram-school? I only remember cram-school in your

Re: [Tagging] passage only on low tide

2017-11-05 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 5 November 2017 at 13:46, Max wrote: > > I went with > > causeway=yes > ford=tidal > tidal=yes > > not sure how to say that the passable time frame is about 3 hours (with > climate change it's getting shorter).. > How about Description: "Only passable 1.5 hours

Re: [Tagging] Emergency phones with blinking lights

2017-11-03 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
> > Somebody needs to write some code to toggle the tag: > >lit=yes > >lit=no > > and back again, in sync with the actual object. Good thinking Andy! But you forgot to mention that the tag also should be coloured the same as the light it represents :-) Thanks Graeme

Re: [Tagging] "building=college" tag missing from building key page

2017-12-07 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 8 December 2017 at 04:56, Kevin Kenny wrote: And, although I'm well aware that UK English is the standard for OSM > tagging, this tag will continue to cause confusion > Which is the problem we keep hitting that OSM tries to use one word worldwide, when it means

Re: [Tagging] building=maisonette(s)

2017-12-02 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 3 December 2017 at 04:58, marc marc wrote: > > In french, a "maisonette" is a small detached house or a tiny house or a > shed. > Did this word also exist in english > Have heard the term in Australia but not for many years. These days, it's apparently been

Re: [Tagging] building=stands or building=grandstand?

2017-10-28 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
To complicate things a bit more :-), we also have leisure_bleachers! (Or at least we used to - can't see it any more?) Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Multiple offices at the same address - (Multiple values for one key)

2017-10-28 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 29 October 2017 at 00:25, Colin Smale wrote: > Exactly, typical of OSM... If we can't sort this out, we will just > continue to go round in circles. How does one tell the difference, or which > type of address is intended? What if we want to put both types of address >

[Tagging] Follow up re Aviation Obstacle lights

2018-05-14 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Hi Following up on the previous discussions re Aviation Obstacle lights to see if there was any final decision? https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2018-March/035311.html https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Aviation_Obstacle_Light Thanks Graeme

Re: [Tagging] service:vehicle: prefix

2018-05-05 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
As part of shop=car_repair https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dcar_repair Thanks Graeme On 6 May 2018 at 09:51, Thilo Haug OSM wrote: > Hi all, > > what is the service:vehicle: prefix good for, > and where is it documented ? (1 223 occurrences) > >

Re: [Tagging] [OKFILTER] Re: Mapping generic sheds

2018-05-05 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 5 May 2018 at 20:17, Peter Elderson wrote: > ducks behind sandbags > :-) > No, I a simple pile of sandbags wouldn't be enough to count as either a shed or a barn! :-) Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

2018-05-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Following with interest, thanks. How do you then tag areas that only flood / run / hold water after (very) heavy rain? Are they intermittent? Thanks Graeme On 19 May 2018 at 15:20, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 19/05/18 13:06, osm.tagg...@thorsten.engler.id.au wrote: > >

Re: [Tagging] opening_hours:sign=no - RFC

2018-05-23 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
I've been wondering about this apparent dilemma & whether I've been doing the wrong thing? If I drive / walk past & see Papa Luigi's Pizza Shop, with no other info visible, I go home, search for Papa Luigi's in this suburb, & get their website, which gives you their phone number, opening hours,

Re: [Tagging] highway=service // public road?

2018-05-23 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
I know it's not really what you were after, but you did ask! :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg30-LKCzgY https://www.google.com.au/maps/place/Anna+Creek+SA+5723/@-29.3724521,130.8420885,6z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x6a83558ecda63c19:0xb9ea36b2cf0f9cb3!8m2!3d-28.7528625!4d136.2042088

Re: [Tagging] marking shop as street vendor

2018-05-25 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
How about "shops", or at least traders, that have nothing to do with food, or selling a physical item? We have a number of surf schools (learn how to ride a surfboard) that operate out of a van & set up in the same spot every day. At days end, they pack everything up & go home. eg

Re: [Tagging] RFC proposed water property key 'ephemeral '

2018-05-24 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Not an OSM / mapping item as such, but on the subject of intermittent / ephemeral waterways, I thought people may be interested in this? http://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/programs/sa-country-hour/2018-05-24/lake-eyre-fills-water-tourists-feral-animals/9792352 So how do you map that lot? :-)

Re: [Tagging] RFC proposed water property key 'ephemeral '

2018-05-24 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Thanks Graeme On 25 May 2018 at 13:34, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'd not put a season on any of them .. too variable for me to determine a > season. > > & that's the killer. In Queensland, summer is supposed to be wet & winter dry, but something like 6 years out of the last 12,

Re: [Tagging] Map showing proposed ferry routes & terminals

2018-05-16 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Thanks everybody for confirming what I thought & offering a possible alternative - I'll pass that on to the mapper concerned. Just to clarify though? If things are tagged as "Proposed", they will then disappear off the map completely, or will still be visible "greyed out" or something? Thanks

[Tagging] Map showing proposed ferry routes & terminals

2018-05-15 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Need a policy clarification please! Looking at the map yesterday for my local area & a new commercial user has added a number of ferry routes & locations for ferry terminals that, at this stage, are still only proposed, while they are waiting on approval from Council to go ahead with their ideas.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Telecom local netwoks

2018-06-09 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Francois I'm a little bit confused over some of your definitions? You say man_made=telephone_exchange is to be replaced with telecom=central_office, but then also say that a telecom=central_office "is a small dedicated technical building hosting a main distribution frame to connect subscribers

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Telecom local netwoks

2018-06-10 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 11 June 2018 at 01:52, François Lacombe wrote: > A telephone exchange is a particular device inside a central office. > We look forward to map places, not devices for now. > > People used to put man_made=telephone_exchange or man_made=MDF to tag a > building/place while it's only particular

Re: [Tagging] Lifeguards

2018-06-08 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 8 June 2018 at 21:01, wrote: > I agree that the 5 different values shown on the wiki describe distinctly > different things and should all be retained. > > > > *From:* Andrew Harvey > *Sent:* Friday, 8 June 2018 20:41 > *To:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools < >

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

2018-06-18 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 18 June 2018 at 21:17, Andrew Harvey wrote: > >> Do we have any tagging scheme for “an area in which it is likely for a >> lifeguard to be”? I’m not sure if simply tagging an area with >> emergency=lifeguard lifeguard=place is appropriate for that. >> > > supervised

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

2018-06-18 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 18 June 2018 at 21:38, wrote: > > > > Well, take as an example this beach: https://www.openstreetmap.org/ > way/17960956 > > > > I don’t think a blanket supervised=yes or lifeguard=yes is appropriate for > that. > > > > But there are multiple areas, each maybe a few 100m, somewhere in which a

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

2018-06-18 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 18 June 2018 at 21:15, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > "lifeguard=place" is currently not used at all, and I do not believe it > is a good tag. "place" is so generic, it doesn't allow for any deduction of > meaning more than "thing" or "feature", and it is used for toponyms as a > key in OSM.

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

2018-06-18 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Wow, thanks everybody for your thoughts. Going through a few comments On 18 June 2018 at 17:58, Marc Gemis wrote: > If you use Google translate from English "lifeguard" to Russian, you > get Спасатель > Doing the translation in the other direction, (so from Спасатель to > English) you get

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

2018-06-18 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 18 June 2018 at 16:24, wrote: > > > I didn’t check it out myself, but, based on what you wrote, probably. > Also, probably means that it’s not a good idea to just do a mechanical edit > from the current tags to the new ones without reviewing all of them. > No, this will have to be a manual

Re: [Tagging] A new Tag for "helicopter services"?

2018-06-18 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Thanks Graeme On 19 June 2018 at 00:14, Clifford Snow wrote: > office=air_charter should fit. The ones around here offer both fixed wing > and helicopter services. > > With office=air_charter you could also add > air_charter=helicopter > > Clifford > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 6:06 AM gorgonz

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Telecom local netwoks

2018-06-12 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 13 June 2018 at 06:54, François Lacombe wrote: > Hi Warin, > > 2018-06-12 11:52 GMT+02:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > >> >> What about calling them an 'exchange' ... though it could be confused >> with money - foreign currency trading etc. >> So umm 'communication exchange' ? >> > >

Re: [Tagging] Unresolved notes

2018-06-17 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > G'day all > > Just mentioned this on Bryan's iD thread, but he knows nothing about it. > > This last week, I've seen "Unresolved note" markers suddenly appear all > over the place - I've seen them in Europe, US & here in Aus

Re: [Tagging] iD news - v2.9.0 now with Bing Streetside support

2018-06-16 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 17 June 2018 at 00:32, Bryan Housel wrote: > Happy Summer!  > I just released iD v2.9.0 this week and it’s now available on > openstreetmap.org for editing. > Thanks Bryan. So are the "Unresolved notes" markers appearing on the map part of your work? Thanks Graeme

Re: [Tagging] iD news - v2.9.0 now with Bing Streetside support

2018-06-16 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 17 June 2018 at 14:16, Bryan Housel wrote: > No, I haven’t seen that.. Can you share the location around where you see > them? > Thanks Bryan > All over the place! https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=10/-27.5841/153.1775=N Weren't there a "few" ~5? days ago, when I looked at my home area,

[Tagging] Unresolved notes

2018-06-17 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
G'day all Just mentioned this on Bryan's iD thread, but he knows nothing about it. This last week, I've seen "Unresolved note" markers suddenly appear all over the place - I've seen them in Europe, US & here in Australia where I know for a fcat that they definitely weren't showing ~a week ago?

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

2018-06-17 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
So, after a few days thought, can we say that we've resolved to work on asking for emergency=lifeguard to be rendered, which would then go down to lifeguard=base etc? Thanks Graeme On 12 June 2018 at 07:43, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > On 11 June 2018 at 17:25, Warin

Re: [Tagging] iD news - v2.9.0 now with Bing Streetside support

2018-06-16 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Sorry, address didn't copy for the edit screen I spoke of :-( Should be https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?way=563191304#map=19/-28.07790/153.44752 Thanks Graeme On 17 June 2018 at 14:31, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > On 17 June 2018 at 14:16, Bryan Housel wrote: > >>

Re: [Tagging] Unresolved notes

2018-06-17 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 18 June 2018 at 09:18, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > You can view notes on the OSM website, no need to go into the iD Editor. > See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Notes#Viewing_notes under Map > Layers > Map Notes. > > I've closed that note last night so it might not show up, they show up >

Re: [Tagging] Unresolved notes

2018-06-17 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 17 June 2018 at 18:00, Anton Klim wrote: > Hi Graeme, > > Are you positive the notes were not there previously? Some of them are > fairly old, and should’ve definitely been in the Notes layer of osm.org > (which is optional). > Notes can sometimes be placed by people thinking it’s a personal

Re: [Tagging] Unresolved notes

2018-06-17 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 17 June 2018 at 18:39, Michael Reichert wrote: > Hi Graeme, > > Am 17.06.2018 um 08:24 schrieb Graeme Fitzpatrick: > > > > Others are showing as a note apparently at a location > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1037676 but then it appears there's >

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

2018-06-18 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 17 June 2018 at 21:34, Andrew Harvey wrote: > If the consensus is to change it to emergency=lifeguard + lifeguard=*, > then I think this needs to be changed in: > > 1. The wiki > > > I don't think it's far to the people who put the effort in to do a great > job on the wiki documentation and

Re: [Tagging] emergency=fire_alarm_box

2018-06-10 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
The first thing fire alarm box brought to my mind was the common "Break glass" fire alarms http://www.az100years.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/photodune-781034-fire-alarm-s.jpg, which are found just about everywhere, so would be virtually unmappable? Is there risk of confusion between the two?

Re: [Tagging] The endless debate about "landcover" as a top-level tag

2018-06-07 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
& it's an impossible question to answer, but how many of those 3.5 million tags are on "areas of land managed for forestry"? :-) Thanks Graeme On 8 June 2018 at 08:11, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 07/06/18 23:00, Peter Elderson wrote: > >> I think landuse=forest should remain intact, for cases

[Tagging] Lifeguards

2018-06-07 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Hi Just raised (or re-raised) the suggestion that lifeguard stations https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key%3Aemergency should be rendered https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/4918#event-1668877116, as it could be a potentially life-saving addition to the map. Bryan had quite correctly

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

2018-06-11 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 11 June 2018 at 15:31, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > Also, water_rescue_station is probably identical to lifeguard_base > > > Agree based on the description given at https://wiki.openstreetmap. > org/wiki/Tag:emergency%3Dwater_rescue_station it sounds like > lifeguard_base. > Had a look at

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

2018-06-11 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 11 June 2018 at 17:25, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 11/06/18 15:39, osm.tagg...@thorsten.engler.id.au wrote: > > *From:* Andrew Harvey > > *Sent:* Monday, 11 June 2018 15:31 > *To:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools > > *Subject:* Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Telecom local netwoks

2018-06-11 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 12 June 2018 at 00:21, Philip Barnes wrote: > > > On 11 June 2018 14:58:59 BST, Kevin Kenny > wrote: > > >> For example my town has a largeish building, > > > >They're not necessarily 'small' buildings, the way the Wiki suggests: > > I agree they are not small, the one in my small town is

Re: [Tagging] A new Tag for "helicopter services"?

2018-06-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 20 June 2018 at 03:43, gorgonz wrote: > imho such a place is like a clerical. Someone sits in the "office" > managing and acquiring orders ;-). In so far, I think that office is ok. > Or did I misunderstand something? English is not my mother tongue. > No, you're doing very well! :-) Yes,

Re: [Tagging] pied headquarters (was: emergency=lifeguard)

2018-06-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 19 June 2018 at 22:36, Tobias Wrede wrote: > Speaking of the wiki. May any native speaker explain to me what "operated > _pied_ headquarters" are? What does "pied" mean" Or am I missing an obvious > typo here? > > from the wiki: "The station is near to be guarded waters and serves the >

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

2018-06-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Sorry, everyone, but getting back to discussions re the proposed tag! On 19 June 2018 at 19:11, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > First step: Cheat as much as you can!!! > Find a wiki page you like and use that as your template. > > Then look around for other wiki pages .. if you likle

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

2018-06-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
rote: > Something like that is exactly what I as looking for… > > > > *From:* Graeme Fitzpatrick > *Sent:* Tuesday, 19 June 2018 14:24 > *To:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools < > tagging@openstreetmap.org> > *Subject:* Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

2018-06-18 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 19 June 2018 at 08:45, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > That's the concern I have with "place" - our lifesavers operate out of a > surf club, a permanent building behind the beach (lifeguard=base). Each > morning, they will decide the safest part of the beach, so will

Re: [Tagging] Street exits

2018-06-15 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Sorry if I've misunderstood Peter, but is there any difference between this & a normal driveway? Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] new role for route relations: reverse

2018-05-28 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Could you fool the routers / system by inserting an imaginary mini-roundabout at the end of the cul-de-sac? That way the router would think that the bus drives in, goes round the roundabout, then drives out again. Include a note that the roundabout doesn't actually exist, but is only shown for

Re: [Tagging] highway=service // public road?

2018-05-26 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
> On May 26, 2018, at 6:09 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: > > > > then have service > > be for "place you can drive that is not a legal road". But you still have service=parking_aisle for car parks, & similar classifications. Around here, at least, areas such as shopping centre car

Re: [Tagging] marking shop as street vendor

2018-05-27 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 27 May 2018 at 23:20, Paul Allen wrote: > because they're ephemeral > Or are they intermittent? :-) Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] marking shop as street vendor

2018-05-27 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Thanks Graeme On 28 May 2018 at 05:06, Paul Allen wrote: > but I'd call them street vendors. > > -- > Paul > So for clarification, when there's a market that only operates on eg Saturday mornings

Re: [Tagging] marking shop as street vendor

2018-05-27 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 28 May 2018 at 09:07, Paul Allen wrote: > How about outdoor_vendor? > > However, both of the examples you give are the sort that usually don't > have fixed assignments for vendors > so you couldn't map them at stall level anyway. > Fair enough on both counts, Would you

Re: [Tagging] nautical channels

2018-07-01 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 1 July 2018 at 13:59, wrote: > Maybe following the same scheme as for highways: > > > > waterway=navigable_channel (for way along the middle of the channel) > > area:waterway=navigable_channel (for area bound by buoys, with an > intersecting node at both ends between the area and the middle

Re: [Tagging] Canoe route

2018-06-29 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 30 June 2018 at 02:37, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > I tagged the route as a relation a long time ago (route=canoe) but was > updating some areas lately and came across those untagged ways again and > their invisibility began nagging at me. While I don't expect anybody to > actually use a routing

Re: [Tagging] Boot cleaning stations

2018-06-29 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 30 June 2018 at 10:57, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 30/06/18 10:20, Paul Allen wrote: > > > On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 12:57 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Any other ideas as to words to use? >> > > Disinfection? Depends if they're just scrapers or if they include

Re: [Tagging] tagging bicycle charging stations

2018-06-27 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 28 June 2018 at 04:38, Max wrote: > > but this will change soon as standardization happens. You mean like this: https://xkcd.com/927/? :-) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] public_transport=platform rendering on osm-carto

2018-06-22 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 at 19:36, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Have been following this whole conversation with interest (&, I must admit, some confusion!). Not wanting to be at all awkward :-), but if The stop_position is the spot where the vehicle stops, it is not strictly > needed for routing (of

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-25 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 26 Jun 2018 at 08:50, Paul Allen wrote: > > Discount stores are, as I understand it (I don't have any remotely near > me) more of a cut-down wholesaler but open > to the public. Presentation and packaging is that of a wholesaler, and > savings come from buying in bulk. Depending on >

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-25 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 26 Jun 2018 at 02:49, Tod Fitch wrote: > > So it is shop=convenience that is selling “from the pallet” and is likely >> to be a cheaper? >> > > In my area convenience stores are relatively small with a limited choice > of products with the defining feature being that they are open more

Re: [Tagging] shop=shoe_repair

2018-06-25 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 26 Jun 2018 at 05:29, Jmapb wrote: > On 6/25/2018 3:22 PM, Jmapb wrote: > > On 6/24/2018 6:22 PM, Paul Allen wrote: > > > Map it as the main shop type and ignore the rest. Or use > semicolon-separated values in the shop=, with the > main shop type first. Or map each function as a node

Re: [Tagging] shop=shoe_repair

2018-06-24 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 at 22:27, Paul Allen wrote: > > 3) A place where shoes are repaired. The name for a person who does this > is cobbler. > In Australia at least, these sort of "shops" are frequently located in a kiosk in the middle of a shopping centre, where they repair shoes, cut keys, do

Re: [Tagging] emergency=first_aid_kit

2018-06-23 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 at 13:56, Bryan Housel wrote: > On Jun 23, 2018, at 10:32 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > > There should also be a separate page for first aid facility, if you're not > busy :-) > > > I still think a staffed facility should be som

Re: [Tagging] emergency=first_aid_kit

2018-06-23 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 at 12:00, Bryan Housel wrote: > > Anyway I just moved it to `emergency=first_aid_kit` > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency%3Dfirst_aid_kit > > There should also be a separate page for first aid

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

2018-06-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 19 June 2018 at 23:41, Tod Fitch wrote: > > FWIW, I volunteer on a back country ski patrol (winter rescue) and while > we have a building we use as our base of operations the areas we patrol are > very dependent on snow pack and where we notice people going to. Your > concept of

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - highway strip

2018-06-26 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 26 Jun 2018 at 22:46, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > I would prefer to keep it in aeroway as proposed, because it is aviation > related. > > Btw, the emergency key is about the location of emergency facilities and > equipment, would this even fit? > Yes, I would agree aeroway=, rather

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - highway strip

2018-06-26 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 26 Jun 2018 at 21:25, Paul Allen wrote: > > Give way to low-flying aircraft. > Especially when it's a fighter returning to base! :-) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

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