Re: [Tagging] shared driveways

2009-11-20 Thread Greg Troxel
Anthony wikim...@inbox.org writes: On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: Anthony o...@inbox.org writes: But I've come across situations where the unnamed road is not a roundabout, though. In one of these cases I used highway=unclassified, because it was just

Re: [Tagging] shared driveways

2009-11-20 Thread Greg Troxel
Please don't take the following as me arguing with you. I'm just trying to understand. No problem - it's a useful discussion and a hard question. I think the bottom line is that one has to understand the actual legal/use distinctions made by the experts, and then figure out how much of

Re: [Tagging] shared driveways

2009-11-21 Thread Greg Troxel
Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net writes: With regard to apartment complexes, condo complexes, mobile home complexes, and gated single-family-home complexes, I usually tag: - The ways that cross the boundary line from public street into the complex are highway=service*** +

Re: [Tagging] parking

2009-12-08 Thread Greg Troxel
Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.net writes: Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net writes: Roy Wallace wrote: How should a parking lot be tagged, that is provided for customers, e.g. at a restaurant, or retail business? It may be signed as such (e.g. Customers only), or may not. I would add

Re: [Tagging] Proposed definition for cycleways

2010-01-04 Thread Greg Troxel
Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 7:17 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Err no. highway=cycleway indicates that the used way is mainly or exclusively for bicycles; the route is designated for bicycles

Re: [Tagging] opening hours

2010-02-21 Thread Greg Troxel
I've been left pondering for a while on how to accurately describe weird opening hours, things like a church might only operate on the third sunday of a month, however opening hours tagging currently only allows for days of the week and hours during the day. Has anyone else come across

Re: [Tagging] opening hours

2010-02-21 Thread Greg Troxel
John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com writes: On 21 February 2010 22:59, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: END:VCALENDAR I don't think vcal/ical is suitable, simply because it doesn't merge the information into a single line/tag... Agreed; I meant They've already figured out the hard

Re: [Tagging] New place value for single settlements (below hamlet)

2010-04-05 Thread Greg Troxel
ℳ∡ℝℸⅈℿ Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com writes: 2010/4/6 Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com In the US, I am not aware of the concept of a place name for a pair of houses. just to make it clear: this is not about a pair of houses but about 1 to max. 2 households which is generally 1 single

Re: [Tagging] A shop selling fish and seafood

2010-04-30 Thread Greg Troxel
I'm trying to get some input on how to tag a shop selling fish and seafood from some english speaking users. I would go for shop=fish. In the US, no one would hear someome saying they were going to the fish store and say but they sell crustaceans and they aren't technically fish.

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-03 Thread Greg Troxel
Katie Filbert filbe...@gmail.com writes: * Baskin Robbins (fast food?) This is the missing ice cream shop I think. But if they serve other food, it's made to order, and they have table service - restaurant. * Fuddruckers (restaurant or fast food?) tough call * Panera Bread (restaurant or

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-03 Thread Greg Troxel
Liz ed...@billiau.net writes: On Mon, 3 May 2010, Greg Troxel wrote: cafe - food is made to order, and while fast, it's real food. Basically my rules are: snip so how would you classify the shop which sells magnificent hamburgers, ordered at the counter, cooked to order, no table

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-04 Thread Greg Troxel
John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com writes: On 5 May 2010 11:15, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: Would you call dunkin donuts fast food? I do, because I get more of a megacorp volume feel than a quality food feel there. I think most I think you are being a tad bias, since small corner

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-05 Thread Greg Troxel
Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com writes: Ok, I'll give up. But I will just point out that, while you insist it is just asking for trouble, imagine a wiki page that says something like: If you're not sure whether the place should be tagged as an amenity=restaurant, cafe or fast_food, this

Re: [Tagging] Parking for businesses..

2010-05-18 Thread Greg Troxel
Seventy 7 seven...@operamail.com writes: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Access says access=permissive means The owner gives general permission for access. This doesn't seem consistent with parking restricted to customers. Do you think this is a problem? I think, if access=* is to mean

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Aeroway=Aerodrome Modifier Tags?

2010-06-16 Thread Greg Troxel
Zeke Farwell ezeki...@gmail.com writes: Classifying by runway length does make some sense to me, but I really have no idea how Mapnik or any other renderer works. Not sure if this would in fact be easy or not. It also means a renderer needs the runway tagged as a way or polygon in order

Re: [Tagging] What classification for a connecting link?

2010-06-17 Thread Greg Troxel
The only problem is that, in this case, it's not a normal-looking sliproad/ramp, but a surface street that would normally be tagged highway=residential or unclassified. Here are a few examples:

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-27 Thread Greg Troxel
Pieren pier...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 2:25 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: -1, AFAIK we use soccer in Germany, Italy and probably elsewhere, while football refers to american football (looking at the icons, preset icons, etc.). - -1 AFAIK we

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] how to tag US townships?

2010-10-21 Thread Greg Troxel
This discussion, although amazingly lengthy is seeming useful. Someone already explained that much of New England is different from most of the United States in terms of not having unicorporated areas, and it might help to explain details. In Massachusetts, we have counties. Counties don't do

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] how to tag US townships?

2010-10-21 Thread Greg Troxel
Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net wrote: On 10/20/2010 03:14 PM, Anthony wrote: Only in those 11 states, right? I'm surprised admin level isn't already handled defined on a state by state level. Why treat it

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] how to tag US townships?

2010-10-21 Thread Greg Troxel
Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com writes: Read the link you provided: In the remaining nine town or township states (Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Dakota, and Wisconsin), there is no geographic overlapping of these two

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-01 Thread Greg Troxel
I agree with the notion of not having surprises, but I think going down the path of judgement about bike lanes being inadequate and not tagging them is going to lead to a mess. I lean towards saying if there is a cycle lane painted on the road (and more or less if the road authority says there

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-01 Thread Greg Troxel
I agree with the notion of not having surprises, but I think going down the path of judgement about bike lanes being inadequate and not tagging them is going to lead to a mess. I lean towards saying if there is a cycle lane painted on the road (and more or less if the road authority says there

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-03 Thread Greg Troxel
Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com writes: This raises an interesting philosophical question: Does OSM map what *we* consider to be a bike lane (or a park, or a service road, or a tertiary highway...) or what *someone else* says it is? The latter path is sometimes simpler and gives more

Re: [Tagging] Long-distance scenic roads

2011-02-24 Thread Greg Troxel
Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com writes: In the US there are two long federally-maintained roads, the Blue Ridge Parkway and Natchez Trace Parkway, that were built for the sole purpose of sightseeing. Since they are surrounded by a narrow strip of parkland, access is only allowed at

Re: [Tagging] Long-distance scenic roads

2011-02-24 Thread Greg Troxel
Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com writes: On 2/24/2011 8:18 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: On the other hand, some apparently non-local user has messed up tagging of Route 2 near Boston/Cambridge (from alewife to the science museum) and made them trunk when they obviously aren't (to anyone who has

Re: [Tagging] highway=unclassified

2011-07-29 Thread Greg Troxel
Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com writes: On 7/29/2011 7:21 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: I think the underlying problem is that there's a big gap between tertiary, which should be a road that really is used to go somewhere and residential, which more or less means a road that you wouldn't care

Re: [Tagging] landuse=residential and named residential areas which belong together (neighbourhoods/subdivisions?)

2011-08-31 Thread Greg Troxel
Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com writes: On 8/31/2011 8:35 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: I thought the issue was that there are two distinct concepts: boundaries, where there is some legal distinction and a precise edge place names, which have more or less indistinct boundaries

Re: [Tagging] landuse=residential and named residential areas which belong together (neighbourhoods/subdivisions?)

2011-08-31 Thread Greg Troxel
Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com writes: 2011/8/31 Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com:  place names, which have more or less indistinct boundaries. just because they have no legal status does not mean there aren't distinct limits. Usually / often there are. There can be natural limits

Re: [Tagging] Use of place=suburb (was Re: RFC: place=neighbourhood)

2011-08-31 Thread Greg Troxel
I've often been confused by the suburb tag and maybe someone can clear it up for me. The tags place=city, place=town, place=village, and place=hamlet are mutually exclusive; if a spot is in a place=village, then it's not in an adjacent place=town. It seems to be that place=suburb is

Re: [Tagging] RFC: shop=pastry

2011-11-27 Thread Greg Troxel
Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com writes: I'd like to propose shop=pastry. (Currently there are 13 of these according to taginfo) There is some recommendations for similar features 1. amenity=cafe cuisine=cake and 2. shop=confectionery I interpret the first as a place to

Re: [Tagging] (no subject)

2011-12-05 Thread Greg Troxel
1) stars=4 What system does this refer to? Is this according to Hotelstars Union? If I see this right, Belgium isn't part of this union. I think the stars notion should be removed from OSM. It's either confused, or some particular rating body's opinion, and neither of those seem

Re: [Tagging] permissive etc. (was Amenity swimming_pool (was Amenity parking))

2012-01-13 Thread Greg Troxel
Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com writes: On 1/13/2012 7:17 AM, SomeoneElse wrote: When I was adding this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/52984927 which is something that you do need an actual permit to access (on a horse) I left the horse access as permissive but added a note

Re: [Tagging] tagging of ele / elevation data e.g. in the context of towers

2012-02-20 Thread Greg Troxel
Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net writes: This is the standard for FCC (communications) and FAA (airspace) in the US. Well, close at least - elevations are generally above mean sea level - I don't know how that relates to the WGS84/GPS and/or survey elevation but I'd expect them to be

Re: [Tagging] unfinished railway of historic importance

2012-02-25 Thread Greg Troxel
I favor railway=abandoned and then if necessary specialize from there. The point about data consumers not knowing about new tags and therefore building a semantic hierarchy to optimize for sensible behavior is a strong one. You probably already know this, but: in OSM railway=abandoned is what we

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a trail blaze

2012-03-09 Thread Greg Troxel
Pieren pier...@gmail.com writes: tourism=information information=trail_blaze hiking=yes operator= support=tree|pole|rock description= That seems reasonable. But, there are various kinds of markers for trails I have encountered, and some of them would not necessarily be called blazes.

Re: [Tagging] Gated communities - access=private or destination?

2012-04-15 Thread Greg Troxel
Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com writes: On the other hand, private says Only with permission of the owner on an individual basis. But the owner is the homeowners association, and the individual residents can allow people in. That's creating nits where they don't even exist! Owner is a

Re: [Tagging] What tag(s) for a school canteen ?

2012-06-18 Thread Greg Troxel
Pieren pier...@gmail.com writes: All in title (question seen on our local forum) amenity=restaurant + access=private ? While I understand the notion of access=private, my reaction is that the fundamental concept of restaurant is that it is open to the public, and a private dining facility

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a trailer_park ?

2012-07-27 Thread Greg Troxel
Werner Poppele popp...@hm.edu writes: In the US [1] I found some trailer parks tagged landuse=trailer_park. Is that ok ? Any other recommendations ? The tag tourism=camp_site seems to be not quite correct IMHO. taginfo landuse=trailer_park 8 amenity=trailer_park 23 tourism=camp_site

Re: [Tagging] landuse=residential in rural areas

2012-08-17 Thread Greg Troxel
In built-up areas, almost all land is used. straightfoward; but in the countryside houses often have large grounds attached to them, and even fields. In particular there are quite a few I think the question is if the lot that the house is on (assuming lots in England work like lots in the

Re: [Tagging] Trail intersection markers

2012-09-22 Thread Greg Troxel
Lars Ahlzen l...@ahlzen.com writes: http://www.ahlzen.com/misc/trailmarker.jpg I saw some like that in Assabet River National Wildlife Refuge (22, 23, etc.). But that it is 'around here' relative to you. information=guidepost name=... or ref=... seems reasonable. It would be nice,

Re: [Tagging] access=emergency revisited

2012-11-22 Thread Greg Troxel
Reading over your comments about turn restrictions and the NY state code, I feel like we will end up with tortuous reasoning and miss the mark. Stepping way back and ignoring legal details, it seems like we need a schema to express what kinds of people/vehicles/etc. may do what, and a way to use

Re: [Tagging] fire district boundaries

2012-11-22 Thread Greg Troxel
admin boundary levels 9 10 are unused in the US. i see some usage of level 9 for fire district boundaries in the US. I don't think we should use 9/10 for fire/school/etc. Those are not necessarily subsets of admin_level 8. If a state has a formal notion of something less than town

Re: [Tagging] access=emergency revisited

2012-11-22 Thread Greg Troxel
I have been using mkgmap for about 3 years. I am not clear on it doing turn restrictions, because the garmin format is reverse-engineered, and the new version not understood. I am unaware of any other GPSr units being capable of being translated to. It's certainly possible to have a style file

Re: [Tagging] Catchment Areas

2012-12-01 Thread Greg Troxel
Chris Baines cbain...@gmail.com writes: 1: http://www.rhok.org/problems/granular-health-map 2: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Catchment The problem with representing catchment areas in OSM is that it rapidly gets into the one database, one man's treasure, another's junk

Re: [Tagging] New relation type=provides_feature

2012-12-07 Thread Greg Troxel
Dave Sutter sut...@intransix.com writes: This may be a radical suggestion for OSM but I think POIs should be removed from the map database and put in an external database. Each POI should have an address and the address is used to match the POI to the map. This can also be extended to ref

Re: [Tagging] Multiple purposes for buildings

2013-01-01 Thread Greg Troxel
Svavar Kjarrval sva...@kjarrval.is writes: Hi. How does one tag buildings which are both commercial and residential? There are two main situations I'm thinking of: 1) The part which is residential is besides the part which is commercial, but they do have the same housenumber. Do I separate

Re: [Tagging] cycleway Tagging and Wiki-Page

2013-01-12 Thread Greg Troxel
Balgofil balgo...@gmx.net writes: 1. Radfahrstreifen: cycle lanes which are mandatory indicated by a sign and a solid lane (cycleway=lane) 2. Schutzstreifen cycle lanes with dashed lines not so wide as a Radfahrstreifen and therefore only advisory and no sign (cycleway=?) I think the

Re: [Tagging] business closed for renovation - tagging best practice

2013-01-17 Thread Greg Troxel
closed_until is overengineered* and does not match my local reality. When a restaurant closes, it often posts closed for renovations. Sometimes they open again, sometimes they don't. So I think if it's a 2-week advertised window, ignore it or perhaps use the tag. But if there's no firm,

Re: [Tagging] business closed for renovation - tagging best practice

2013-01-18 Thread Greg Troxel
Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com writes: Removing things is not such a good idea when you have people downloading offline data and use data that is 6 months to a year of of date, I don't think we should optimize the database for bugs in people's processing pipelines. I have not encountered

Re: [Tagging] Resorts

2013-02-02 Thread Greg Troxel
My standard plea: we are building a taxonomy of the world, and our tagging scheme should be jointly exhaustive and mutually exclusive, when that makes sense. For marking the area of land used by the resort area (including buffers), I think a landuse= value is appropriate. It isn't residential,

Re: [Tagging] Disused/historic railway stations

2013-02-05 Thread Greg Troxel
I don't know what those mean, but there are two separate concepts being blurred: A) There used to be a (logical) railway station at a site. This really doesn't have anything to do with buildings. Subclasses could be if the station is no longer in use but the railway is active,

Re: [Tagging] Disused/historic railway stations

2013-02-05 Thread Greg Troxel
Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com writes: can mean two legally different things: out of service abandoned (tracks present) Sorry, I didn't explain these: out of service means the railroad chooses not to run trains. But they might change their mind. abandonment is a big legal step

Re: [Tagging] tower vs mast vs antenna

2013-02-06 Thread Greg Troxel
fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com writes: I was trying to get a common tower preset working for JOSM [1], when I started reading about the terms on wikipedia (english). As I am not a native speaker, I like to ask natives about there thoughts but as far as I understood it. What we call

Re: [Tagging] Disused/historic railway stations

2013-02-06 Thread Greg Troxel
Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: There was this discussion on talk-gb recently: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2013-January/014376.html Yeah, that's actually what prompted this

Re: [Tagging] Disused/historic railway stations

2013-02-06 Thread Greg Troxel
Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com writes: 2013/2/7 Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com: ... because in the present, railway=station means the site and we don't really denote the building. In the historic:, railway=station is the building and railway=station_site is the place. -1, better

Re: [Tagging] informal helipads for emergency use

2013-03-29 Thread Greg Troxel
[First, I understand what you mean, and what you're trying to do. My town certainly has places like this for medevac helicopters.] I think this information clearly does belong in OSM. It's a fact about the real world, and it's easy to verify. But, I don't think they are helipads. It might be

Re: [Tagging] informal helipads for emergency use

2013-03-29 Thread Greg Troxel
Pieren pier...@gmail.com writes: On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 6:47 AM, Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.de wrote: Could it be stored inside the emergency key? so leave away the aeroway and store as emergency=helipad? Since it is informal and applies to level grassy areas, what will be

Re: [Tagging] informal helipads for emergency use

2013-03-30 Thread Greg Troxel
Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com writes: 2013/3/30 Pieren pier...@gmail.com Something unverifiable on the ground. What you describe is just a contract between an organization and a landowner. well, a contract is in many circumstances verifiable. You could also see an actual

Re: [Tagging] Juice restaurants

2013-05-07 Thread Greg Troxel
Alexander Jones happy5...@gmail.com writes: What is the proper way to tag places that make and sell juice and fruit smoothies? Examples in the U.S. include Jamba Juice and Orange Julius. I could call them amenity=cafe cuisine=juice, because they are not so different from a coffeeshop, except

Re: [Tagging] Juice restaurants

2013-05-08 Thread Greg Troxel
Brian Wolford // HOT brian.wolf...@hotosm.org writes: 1 http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/name=Jamba%20Juice Right now there is a minor majority given to amenity=fast_food over cafe for the worlds Jamba Juices. Is the argument out there that juice and smoothies should be considered

Re: [Tagging] Recreation_ground (landuse vs leisure)

2013-05-26 Thread Greg Troxel
hannes.janet...@gmail.com hannes.janet...@googlemail.com writes: On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/j3d/edits have you tried to contact him? AFAIK these mechanical edits haven't been done following the

Re: [Tagging] Fast Food Restaurants

2013-05-28 Thread Greg Troxel
Brian Wolford // HOT brian.wolf...@hotosm.org writes: I often differentiate fast_food as counter service and restaurant as sit down with a menu and order from a waiter service. I basically agree, but there's also an intermediate order at counter, have someone bring it to you. But the key

Re: [Tagging] Fast Food Restaurants

2013-05-28 Thread Greg Troxel
Tac Tacelosky tac...@gmail.com writes: Yeah, tag keys should follow that, but not key values. I'm sure there are values with single and double quotes, commas and semi-colons. Sorry, I meant tag values that are essentially keywords, such as amenity=fast_food. Basically the values for amenity

Re: [Tagging] When was landuse=reservoir deprecated ?

2013-06-05 Thread Greg Troxel
fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com writes: When was landuse=reservoir [1] deprecated ? There was only little discussion on tagging@ about water=* [2][3]. Now we have to different uses which do not fit together (eg, water=lake;intermittent ?). Anyway landuse=reservoir was never deprecated and

Re: [Tagging] When was landuse=reservoir deprecated ?

2013-06-07 Thread Greg Troxel
Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com writes: 2013/6/6 Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com We have gotten several notes reported from craigslist users saying this lake is missing from the map but I think it turns out that craigslist is not rendering landuse=reservoir so unless lakes have

Re: [Tagging] When was landuse=reservoir deprecated ?

2013-06-07 Thread Greg Troxel
Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de writes: Because the Water details proposal¹ included the deprecation. It was even mentioned on this list that the proposal included deprecation - although learning which tags exactly were proposed for deprecation required clicking the wiki link iirc. Still,

Re: [Tagging] When was landuse=reservoir deprecated ?

2013-06-08 Thread Greg Troxel
fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com writes: But how to we proceed ? If we agree that landuse=reservoir should be used for the whole area. Do we need a temporary tag or adding water=reservoir to all of them? Only simple case are where a water=reservoir is already tagged (either on the same

Re: [Tagging] When was landuse=reservoir deprecated ?

2013-06-09 Thread Greg Troxel
Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com writes: I'd rather prefer to have the water protection as a different tag then landuse, something like protected_area, because my guess is that reservoir protection is not necessarily the only or main landuse of any such area with obligations to

Re: [Tagging] When was landuse=reservoir deprecated ?

2013-06-11 Thread Greg Troxel
fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com writes: Having been away from this for a bit, I would propose: Add a landuse=reservoir_protection (or some other name, not in use) to be for the landuse of a parcel that is used for containing a reservoir and protection zones. (I have an

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-15 Thread Greg Troxel
Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org writes: Again, I'm still not hearing a suggestion that would keep this valuable information in OSM, or a compelling reason not to keep it. It's not clear that it's valuable. If you want to propose a scheme for desired corridors by only-slightly-authoritative

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread Greg Troxel
Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com writes: I am sure this has been asked many times before: How do I tag correctly a path/track/road that bears the label access at your own risk Don't use the access tag :-) That's about right of access, and that sort of sign is usually either: a real

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-08-01 Thread Greg Troxel
John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com writes: On the other hand, a road labeled as use at your own risk may well be one that is not currently being maintained, meaning that you have increased odds of finding it impassable due to washouts, landslides, and the like. I have seen some one-lane

Re: [Tagging] Hiking tracks as POIs in Brazil

2013-08-09 Thread Greg Troxel
Andrew Errington erringt...@gmail.com writes: I suppose it could be done programmatically. It is clear which node is the first one, so it could be rendered differently, with extra detail extracted from the tags on the track itself. However, explicit is better than implicit, so I'd like to

Re: [Tagging] Hiking tracks as POIs in Brazil

2013-08-11 Thread Greg Troxel
Trailheads are not necessarily start/end or associated with a particular trail. It's more like a train station, a place you go to change from one transport mode to another, from which perhaps multiple trails can be accessed. pgpv5kHKK4rzr.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [Tagging] Ace Hardware

2013-08-30 Thread Greg Troxel
I don't think the distinction in their governance is important for a map. There's a slippery slope somewhere where osm becomes wikipedia. What's important is that there's a hardware store, and the name it is known by. I would use franchise. If you want to make up weak_franchise for stores that

Re: [Tagging] How to determine the value for admin_level?

2013-09-01 Thread Greg Troxel
amrit karmacharya amrit...@gmail.com writes: OSMNepal community is standardizing the administrative boundary tags. We have the following heirarchy. one way is to give them level from 2-7 according to heirarchy. Would this be an appropriate tagging scheme? As Frederik points out,

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot

2013-09-21 Thread Greg Troxel
Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com writes: A plot is the individual parcel of land within and allotment site that is let (rented, hired, or other synonym) to one tenant. No argument with the reality, but note that in the US parcel means an area of land that is delineated by a deed (at the

Re: [Tagging] shop=social_market ?

2013-09-22 Thread Greg Troxel
Does social market make sense to native English speakers? No. I (US native, northeast) have no idea what that means. We have things called food pantry, which is a charity; people donate food (or money, which the organization use to buy low-cost food from supermarkets). People who don't have

Re: [Tagging] New feature: amenity=creche

2013-11-06 Thread Greg Troxel
Gilbert Hangartner kuessemondtaegl...@gmail.com writes: I wrote a proposal to correctly tag Crèches or Childcare-centres or Daycare-centrers or Kindertagesstätte. Thank you in advance for your comments and thoughts. My reaction on seeing the subject was that creches are not amenities, but

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=highway

2013-11-29 Thread Greg Troxel
Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com writes: 2013/11/17 The definition given for the landuse-polygon seems too restrictive, I'd ditch the second part are constructed up to a boundary or barrier separating this land from private property. (Because there doesn't have to be private

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=highway

2013-11-29 Thread Greg Troxel
cracklinrain cra_klinr...@gmx.de writes: German roads are built similar. But usually this is not dependent on stuff like property. Usually land owners are forced to fit onto the local prescriptions. So maybe a ditch is part of the property of a private person, but part of the street.

Re: [Tagging] Unsuitable?

2014-01-08 Thread Greg Troxel
Jonathan bigfatfro...@gmail.com writes: Very important that we can mark roads that are officially designated as unsuitable for certain vehicles. Don't see a problem with this use of this tag? Sure, but designated as unsuitable is not about right of access; it's a different kind of

Re: [Tagging] Unsuitable?

2014-01-12 Thread Greg Troxel
Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net writes: dieterdreist wrote: this might depend on the circumstances/jurisdiction. Maybe it would already put you legally in a bad situation if you drove your hgv into that road with the sign suggesting you don't do so, and something (i.e. damage)

Re: [Tagging] highway=track access

2014-06-04 Thread Greg Troxel
SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk writes: Some (but very few) BOATs near me say service road to you when you look at them; most just say track or even bridleway. The only unclassified ones I can find are as a result of some newbie's* mapping and probably could benefit from a resurvey

Re: [Tagging] highway=track access

2014-06-05 Thread Greg Troxel
Sure, I realize I can (with enough spare time) render what I want. The mkgmap style I have does in fact mark dirt roads (by abusing track, as you suggest, which needs fixing), and I'll get around to making osmand show them too. My point was that for almost all map users (in cars or road bikes),

Re: [Tagging] Forest vs Wood

2014-09-23 Thread Greg Troxel
Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl writes: On 20 August 2014 18:45, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: Wood: Woodland with no forestry Forest: Managed woodland or woodland plantation. How do you define forestry or 'managing' forests? Most forests in the Netherlands are

Re: [Tagging] Unification of google-plus links

2014-09-23 Thread Greg Troxel
I don't think we should have tags for particular proprietary services. Instead, a URL to various pages can be given in the url tag, with ; if necessary. pgpejuxb2fe5M.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] [Imports] Portland, OR building and address import

2014-12-10 Thread Greg Troxel
Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org writes: On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Darrell Fuhriman darr...@garnix.org wrote: One open question for me, which we I would appreciate guidance on, is whether or not to import address points for each unit number in a building, where we have them. Right

Re: [Tagging] Combining gas stations convenience stores

2014-12-10 Thread Greg Troxel
I'm in favor of two nodes/elements, one for gas and one for the shop. The main reason is that while designign complicated tagging seems to be what people do, tagging designs should be done from the point of view of those writing code to consume the database and do something useful. Two nodes

Re: [Tagging] Distinction between amenity=restaurant and fast_food

2014-12-10 Thread Greg Troxel
Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net writes: the common rule of thumb is counter service vs. table service. even so, there are occasional grey areas (e.g., at Hardees you order at the counter but they deliver to your table, still fast food in my book.) and it produces slightly quirky

Re: [Tagging] question: best practices for micromapping ped areas and footpaths?

2014-12-31 Thread Greg Troxel
johnw jo...@mac.com writes: 1) there are large open concrete areas for pedestrians, but there are also covered walkways through them as well. http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/36.38380/139.07281 I mapped the open sections as highway=pedestrian+area=yes, while I traced the

Re: [Tagging] correct access tagging for tourist attraction

2014-12-31 Thread Greg Troxel
johnw jo...@mac.com writes: perhaps use the =destination tag instead of =private on the road you are supposed to use. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access I agree. There's also access=customers that I use for parking lots.

Re: [Tagging] Tagging road illumination quality

2015-02-12 Thread Greg Troxel
Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com writes: As I said earlier, I am also a hobby photographer. The light levels we are talking about are anyway in a range that old-fashioned hand-held light meters are useless. Then it's the question of the different metering Many current photo meters will read

Re: [Tagging] Tagging road illumination quality

2015-02-12 Thread Greg Troxel
Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com writes: Went out last night .. light level pointing up to street light was 0.0 lux... so less than 0.1 lux. Meaning I could not measure it this way. I'll think about it. A talk to an expert might be worth while? That doesn't make sense. I would expect several

Re: [Tagging] Tagging road illumination quality

2015-02-12 Thread Greg Troxel
Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de writes: Am 18.01.2015 um 07:14 schrieb John F. Eldredge: You could use a light meter to measure how bright the light is. That isn't the only factor in the suitability of the lighting, but it is objective. ... provided that you measure on a dark night

Re: [Tagging] Rendering of individual power lines in residential areas on default osm-carto

2015-03-14 Thread Greg Troxel
Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com writes: Have a peek here to see what residential power lines might look like, if added to the database: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/37.64529/-118.97450 A few thoughts: There's a big difference between transmission and distribution. Those may

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - trailhead

2015-04-12 Thread Greg Troxel
Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us writes: The trailhead proposal is long overdue. They are common around areas I've lived in the US. They usually have limited parking, signage, sometimes a place to pay, and some even have permanent or portable restrooms. Thanks for creating the proposal.

Re: [Tagging] SHAPE_Leng, SHAPE_Area, GIS_ACRES

2015-06-04 Thread Greg Troxel
Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org writes: Hi, On 06/03/2015 05:59 PM, Mike Thompson wrote: I am encountering the tags SHAPE_Leng, SHAPE_Area, GIS_ACRES on US National Forests. If I am making other edits to the OSM element in question, can these be deleted? Converted to some other tag?

Re: [Tagging] Access and area type for some (public) objects

2015-06-09 Thread Greg Troxel
Daniel Koć dan...@xn--ko-wla.pl writes: 1. First is rather easy - there is fenced area with a few big apartment houses. You can enter only if you have a key or somebody open it. Should the highways inside be tagged with access=private? It's like few hundred people inside, so I just want to

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-06 Thread Greg Troxel
Ilpo Järvinen ilpo.jarvi...@helsinki.fi writes: You seem to admit that there's need for some hierarchy, however, on the same time you seem to oppose the idea that such hierarcy would exists based on physical properties (man-made vs informal). I find it strange since it shouldn't be that

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