Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk-be] associatedStreet

2011-03-18 Thread Jo
it can't be helped that several relations are needed? Jo ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] etymology of street names

2011-04-08 Thread Jo
In Ghent (Belgium) I find the following in the name tags: Henri Farmanstraat ((Luchthavenpionier, 1874-1958)) Vincent Evrardlaan ((Oud burgemeester van Gentbrugge, 1896-1995)) Guido Gezelle straat ((Dichter, 1830-1899)) Interesting information, but technically not really part of the name of the

Re: [Tagging] Residential gardens: deprecate leisure=garden, suggest alternative

2011-05-23 Thread Jo
Sounds good to me. Polyglot 2011/5/23 Andrew Chadwick (lists) a.t.chadwick+li...@gmail.com I'm suggesting that we remove the language on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dgarden which recommends leisure=garden for tagging private residential gardens. The talk page entry is at

[Tagging] escape_lane was: Fwd: [OSM-talk-fr] Tagger une voie de détresse, un lit d'arrêt ?

2011-06-02 Thread Jo
I'm translating a message from talk-fr: After having added the emergency escape lanes in France (or at least a good part of them) on this page: http://routes.wikia.com/wiki/Utilisateur:Sylvain_59/test4 which is my user page, I wanted to reuse this information and add to openstreetmap. I

[Tagging] Additional playground equipment I found

2011-11-13 Thread Jo
the first thing the 1,5 year old noticed. Does it make sense to mention them? Jo ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Additional playground equipment I found

2011-11-21 Thread Jo
the suggestion like that, I thought he wanted pictures for the wiki. So I'll try to take some better ones, than the ones I have now, when I get back there. Jo 2011/11/21 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2011/11/20 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com: On 11/13/2011 02:15 AM, Jo wrote

Re: [Tagging] RFC: shop=pastry

2011-11-27 Thread Jo
bakker' (everything is prepared in-house) en 'koude' bakker. The products are prepared either in another 'warme bakker' or industrially. Jo 2011/11/27 Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com writes: I'd like to propose shop=pastry. (Currently there are 13

Re: [Tagging] proposed routes, state-tag

2011-12-03 Thread Jo
state=alternate is used in Belgium and The Netherlands for the cycle and hiking node networks with numbered nodes. It means that there are 2 routes connecting 2 numbered nodes. A 'default'/'preferred'/'normal' one and an alternative one. (shortcut, more pittoresque). This implies that 2 route

[Tagging] (no subject)

2011-12-05 Thread Jo
to keep those up to date anyway. What is missing at the moment, is a deep link to the website of Toerisme Vlaanderen, where interested people can consult all the information as well. When I have those, should I use website:ToerismeVlaanderen= for that? Jo

Re: [Tagging] (no subject)

2011-12-05 Thread Jo
when the entry is no/false. But if they are available, on site or off site, is it OK to mention them? Jo 2011/12/5 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org Jo, please stop right there and take a deep breath. On 12/05/2011 12:45 PM, Jo wrote: Toerisme Vlaanderen wants to share its databases

Re: [Tagging] (no subject)

2011-12-05 Thread Jo
2011/12/6 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2011/12/5 Jo winfi...@gmail.com: 2011/12/5 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 7) Instead of hotel:garden = yes it might be more useful to actually draw the garden (leisure=garden, garden:style=, garden:type=hotel or similar

Re: [Tagging] Bus pullout?

2011-12-05 Thread Jo
You mean that spot where the bus can get out of the way of the other traffic to load/unload passengers? We have many of them here. I don't tend to tag the specifically, they look a bit like a rather short extra lane... Jo 2011/12/6 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com Is there a way to tag

Re: [Tagging] (no subject)

2011-12-06 Thread Jo
, playground... Why not for hotels ? With a multipolygon or with a site relation? Can you show me a few examples of schools mapped this way? Jo ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - combined transport terminal

2011-12-20 Thread Jo
Hi Michael, It would really help if you had added a link to this proposal. I look at the recent changes on the wiki, but didn't see anything relevant. Polyglot 2011/12/20 Michael Wickert michael.wick...@googlemail.com Dear Sir or Madam, please would you be so kind to comment my Proposal for

Re: [Tagging] Amenity swimming_pool (was Amenity parking)

2012-01-11 Thread Jo
On the one hand I wouldn't bother tagging them, but for the ones that you did tag, I think you should go back and tag them private. The tennis courts too. Every time I see solar panels shining on Bing, my fingers itch to tag them as power plants, but I don't think it makes a lot of sense to do

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-17 Thread Jo
For what it's worth. When I start rendering/printing maps based on OSM, I think it's extremely ugly if the landuse is not 'connected' to the roads, i.e. that the landuse uses separate parallel ways with a small space in between for its definition. I also prefer to create landuses as big as

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-22 Thread Jo
2012/1/22 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com On 17/01/2012 15:41, Jo wrote: For what it's worth. When I start rendering/printing maps based on OSM, I think it's extremely ugly if the landuse is not 'connected' to the roads, i.e. that the landuse uses separate parallel ways with a small space

Re: [Tagging] Data redundancy with ref tag on ways vs relations

2012-07-30 Thread Jo
there are different types of errors and you focus on one only. I am not going to argue with examples or explanations. If you don't want to see it you won't see it. I'll try to give another example, which may or may not help Pawel to see what you mean: I'm gathering information about bus

Re: [Tagging] Carriageway divider

2012-08-20 Thread Jo
For which purpose would the two highways be reassembled? Split highways may be reassembled when you're not interested in the attributes that do change between them. For example when you want to reassemble the portions of the same road with the same class and name together but aren't

Re: [Tagging] Fuel, additional tags

2012-11-12 Thread Jo
The dye added is not the common denominator. We need the British term for the tax break status of it. 2012/11/12 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: I was thinking about organising fuel nodes in my country, and that requires more tags than the wiki has. First, I think we have no tags for a fuel

Re: [Tagging] Zones 30 in Belgium (from [OSM-talk-be] )

2012-11-20 Thread Jo
What you really want to do is apply the speed limits to the OSM ways: maxspeed=30 source:maxspeed=zone30. But the source file has nodes. Is there a way to feed all these nodes into Openstreetbugs automatically and then ask the Belgian population to fix those 'bugs'/'improvement requests' in

Re: [Tagging] Stop sign?

2012-11-20 Thread Jo
I'm mapping them as highway=stop as a node of the way, just before where it crosses the main road. I would map a traffic_sign=stop as a node next to the road. But that just makes it harder to work with the data, so I prefer the first approach. What I never do anymore is to tag the node of the

Re: [Tagging] Stop sign?

2012-11-21 Thread Jo
. So it's not the same situation. It also depends on the quality of the Bing imagery. It has now become possible to indicate where highway=give_way applies for many places in Europe. Polyglot 2012/11/21 Pieren pier...@gmail.com On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk-be] Zones 30 in Belgium (from )

2012-11-21 Thread Jo
anyone see a way on how to achieve this? Да. Jo the Polyglot, winfi...@gmail.com as he wrote this afternoon On 2012-11-21 16:53, Jo wrote : I may have a way to upload them to OSB. The API is indeed quite accessible. In order to take out the ones that are already in the OSM data, I can

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk-be] Zones 30 in Belgium

2012-11-22 Thread Jo
I wrote a Python script to upload them to Openstreetbugs. Now I'm looking at OSMOSE and I noticed it also has a category for Openstreetbugs. I think it still needs to be synchronized, as I see only the bugs that were already present yesterday. If people prefer to use OSMOSE, this is certainly

Re: [Tagging] Stop sign?

2012-11-23 Thread Jo
important than the other. Jo 2012/11/23 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: I (would) do this mostly for consistency. I have to admit I never HAD to do it, most stop signs in Belgium are used for their intended purpose: give priority to the main road, not inhibit

Re: [Tagging] agglomération

2012-11-23 Thread Jo
What I'm doing right now is tag the roads inside this zone with maxspeed=50 and source:maxspeed=city_limit. This doesn't fit entirely, as it doesn't only influence maxspeed. Maybe adding a tag city_limit=yes would be more appropriate? Besides there is a conflict when inside those city limits

Re: [Tagging] agglomération

2012-11-23 Thread Jo
I'm a bit unhappy with the term urban instead of built-up or city_limit/city_limits. But it's better than source:maxspeed=city_limits, so I'll start using it. Hopefully it gets out of the proposed state one day, it was proposed in 2009 Jo 2012/11/23 Kytömaa Lauri lauri.kyto...@aalto.fi

Re: [Tagging] agglomération

2012-11-26 Thread Jo
zone:traffic=**:rural zone:traffic=**:urban source:maxspeed=zone30 highway=living_street have an effect on other traffic rules as well, so it's important to know that's the 'regime' the street is under. As a data consumer I also prefer to have the maxspeed be tagged explicitly. That's true for

Re: [Tagging] How to solve the problem with relation overload?

2012-11-30 Thread Jo
2012/11/30 Pieren pier...@gmail.com On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote: Are we sure that those relations provide more information than they prevent to be provided? In the example you are pointing, 6 of the 9 relations are for the Bus 311. I never

Re: [Tagging] How to solve the problem with relation overload?

2012-12-04 Thread Jo
2012/12/4 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com Hi! After reading all the responses I have to conclude that we don't really have a perfect solution right now. I guess the best would be a cleanup of the relations: on ways where more than one (or two) relations are present, create a new

Re: [Tagging] How to solve the problem with relation overload?

2012-12-04 Thread Jo
relations. There are some relations where it is already in use. If I'm not mistaken long foot/hiking routes. Rather than 'winning' a vote we should try to get support from öpnv-karte, transportmap and OSMtransport. Once those big players render it, the rest will most likely follow. Jo

Re: [Tagging] Source tag - deprecated for use on objects?

2013-01-03 Thread Jo
, but of course, this means several sources are used and mixed in one changeset. In fact I stopped adding sources. It's true that it doesn't make a lot of sense to clog the objects with them, but when uploading, I always tend to forget to mention it on the changeset anyway. Jo

Re: [Tagging] As the crow flies

2013-02-23 Thread Jo
It seems that you would like a specific role, which you can add to 2 members of a route relation (I'd add it to the two ways around your imaginary gap). If you do it that way, you don't need a non-existing member. And you don't need to add nodes to a relation which consists of ways. This doesn't

Re: [Tagging] As the crow flies

2013-02-23 Thread Jo
2013/2/23 Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de Am 23.02.2013 20:02, schrieb Jo: It seems that you would like a specific role, which you can add to 2 members of a route relation (I'd add it to the two ways around your imaginary gap). If you do it that way, you don't need a non-existing

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Jo
I added a wikidata tag to our main church: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/15183730 What is the (intended) effect? Will it be possible to visualise it somewhere? Jo 2013/2/26 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com Hi, I made a wikidata tag proposal, here is the link: http

Re: [Tagging] Public transport zones

2013-03-02 Thread Jo
on your stops, you could use zone:ptv, but it seems better to add operator=ptv or operator=PT Victoria. Cheers, Jo 2013/3/3 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com Hi all, I don't see any wiki documentation on public transport zones: that is, how to tag that station X is in zone 3, station Y

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-14 Thread Jo
or a crossing. Although even that is normal. Because traffic that makes a turn has to yield for traffic traveling straight on. Jo ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - More Consistency in Railway Tagging

2013-04-13 Thread Jo
FWIW I also prefer one way per track. When the tracks are embedded in the tarmac of a normal 2 way street, I'll draw 3 ways (2 railways and 1 highway), each with the name included. When I bother to add associatedStreet relations I'd add all of them into it. When it's 1 track on a one way street

Re: [Tagging] pastry and confectionery

2013-06-03 Thread Jo
have shops specialised in chocolate confectionery ('pralines' in French/Dutch) Jo 2013/6/3 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com On 03/giu/2013, at 08:55, Vincent Pottier vpott...@gmail.com wrote: So we can had the tag baking=no for those shop without oven. there is a tag oven

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bakery,confectionery

2013-06-27 Thread Jo
they are not allowed to call those extension outlets 'warme bakker'. Would we have to recognise it from the absence of the craft tag? That seems a bit broken, as absence of a tag can mean that it was unknown, or forgotten to add. Jo ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Open of discussion on operational_status (part of life cycle with disused/abandoned/demolished)

2013-07-02 Thread Jo
On talk-fr somebody was wondering how to tag a building where a fire had been. So the building is still there, but it's not usable anymore until some major reconstruction takes place. Jo ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [Tagging] Utility corridor mapping

2013-09-04 Thread Jo
of the street lights which does the same in my street. If we're going to be mapping all that, it may be interesting to indicate whether sewage is already split in water that fell from the sky and actual sewage... Jo 2013/9/4 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2013/9/4 Bryce Nesbitt bry

Re: [Tagging] shop=social_market ?

2013-09-22 Thread Jo
That sounds like the better tags Martin. In Belgium we also have social restaurants. Jo Op 22 sep. 2013 11:25 schreef Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com het volgende: 2013/9/22 Andreas Labres l...@lab.at Hi! Does social market make sense to native English speakers? I'm looking

Re: [Tagging] shop=social_market ?

2013-09-23 Thread Jo
Because we already have the social_facility keys, which are a lot more suitable for the purpose. They are not really shops. Jo 2013/9/23 Gilbert Hersschens gherssch...@gmail.com Yet another ameniity... Why not shop = food + access = social_pass (or something along this line) ? Gilbert

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-16 Thread Jo
People in Alaska might disagree with you... I have no idea whether dog sledges are banned on certain streets, of course. Jo 2013/10/16 Stefan Tiran stefan.ti...@student.tugraz.at Hello, SomeoneElse wrote: Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I have no doubt that these situations occur, I

Re: [Tagging] noexit

2013-12-03 Thread Jo
Or possibly somebody changed the meaning of the tag on the wiki, without telling dinosaurs like myself. At first it was a tag that went on ways which are a dead end for cars. It got an icon in JOSM when put on nodes and people started using it on end nodes. Op 3 dec. 2013 15:28 schreef Mike N

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an imaginary oneway barrier

2014-02-01 Thread Jo
The 4th option is to use turn restrictions on the crossing where the 'virtual' sign is placed. Jo 2014-02-02 André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com: On 2014-02-01 10:05, Pee Wee wrote : On the Dutch forumhttp://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=394396#p394396there is some

[Tagging] speed cameras

2014-02-07 Thread Jo
Recently I noticed the speed cameras I've been adding a few years ago at exactly the positions they are (next to the street of couse, lest drivers would bump into them) have become part of the highways. So I'm in the process of correcting that once again. I also corrected the wiki. Now it's up to

Re: [Tagging] wikidata instead of wikipedia

2014-02-25 Thread Jo
While I was adding name:etymology:wikidata=Q336977 tags to the many streets in Belgium and the Netherlands that were name after the poet Guido Gezelle, I encountered his tombstone. I marked this with a subject:wikidata=Q336977 tag. I hope this is correct. Does it make sense to add something to

Re: [Tagging] Relation:associatedStreet: house or address? factorizing?

2014-03-13 Thread Jo
What do you mean by 'factorize'? Jo 2014-03-13 15:00 GMT+01:00 André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com: Hi, How great to finally more than an empty pagehttps://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:associatedStreet!!! But now, if that relation factorizes (2) street name shouldn't

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Wikidata

2014-04-02 Thread Jo
I've been experimenting with wikidata tagging in OSM a bit lately. One doubt I have is when tagging tombstones with subject:wikidata. Is that correct? Normally that one is used when an artistic image is made of someone. What if it's a family grave with more than one 'subject'? What if it's only

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Wikidata

2014-04-02 Thread Jo
or rather brand:wikidata (which is already in the list) 2014-04-02 12:24 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk: On 2 April 2014 11:08, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: in the case of a Franchise operator:wikidata would not be McDonald's Corp. but the company

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Wikidata

2014-04-02 Thread Jo
In order to apply the name:etymology:wikidata=Q... tags, I created associatedStreet relations for most cases. Polyglot 2014-04-02 14:47 GMT+02:00 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: 2014-04-02 13:46 GMT+02:00 Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl: Is the assumption that one Wikidata object

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Wikidata

2014-04-02 Thread Jo
I'm afraid I don't fully understand the reasoning behind OSM having its own wikidata DB. What extra (different) data would we store in it, which couldn't go in Wikidata? I understand it in the case of Commons to store metadata like diaphragma and lenses used when taking those pictures. Oh, maybe

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-04 Thread Jo
I was thinking the same thing, but couldn't put it into words properly. If 40% of noexit tags are on ways, this is meaningful, not some sort of accident. FWIW I also prefer to put the tag on the way, I don't care about the gratification that it gets rendered with a nifty icon in JOSM when put on a

Re: [Tagging] noexit

2014-04-04 Thread Jo
OK, I didn't check. Maybe I consulted the wiki at the wrong point in time and got it wrong for the past 6 years. Polyglot 2014-04-04 17:53 GMT+02:00 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: On 03.12.2013 17:08, Jo wrote: Or possibly somebody changed the meaning of the tag on the wiki, without

Re: [Tagging] Where do source tags belong?

2014-06-26 Thread Jo
page, with links that can be clicked in a convenient way to edit with JOSM remote control. Jo 2014-06-26 14:21 GMT+02:00 Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com: 2014-06-26 12:44 GMT+01:00 André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com: Hi, I wonder if this phrase without an explanation link http

Re: [Tagging] Subsequent wikipedia links

2014-06-30 Thread Jo
Bayford: operator:wikidata=Q4874513 The ones of my previous mail should also have been operator:wikidata Polyglot 2014-06-30 12:27 GMT+02:00 Jo winfi...@gmail.com: The University of Derby would be: wikidata:operator=Q3183295 Devonshire Royal Hospital wikidata:operator=Q5267877 Does

Re: [Tagging] Subsequent wikipedia links

2014-06-30 Thread Jo
Indeed, sorry about that. 2014-06-30 12:46 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2014-06-30 12:27 GMT+02:00 Jo winfi...@gmail.com: The University of Derby would be: wikidata:operator=Q3183295 Devonshire Royal Hospital wikidata:operator=Q5267877 wouldn't

Re: [Tagging] Subsequent wikipedia links

2014-06-30 Thread Jo
I'm strongly in favour of having the order as described here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Wikidata The advantage is that they sort near to what they apply to, name:etymology:wikidata is near to name, operator:wikidata is near to operator and so on. I'm not sure why we

Re: [Tagging] Where do source tags belong?

2014-06-30 Thread Jo
the upstream data and the data from an Overpass Query is in a PostGIS DB, it's not very hard to analyse it to one's heart content and create reports for the wiki with clickable links so they can be opened with JOSM or Merkaartor by remote control. Jo 2014-06-30 15:44 GMT+02:00 André Pirard a.pirard.pa

Re: [Tagging] Subsequent wikipedia links

2014-07-01 Thread Jo
I've been experimenting with Wikidata a bit. I'm not a Wikipedian, rather a convinced Openstreetmapper. One of the problems I had with Wiktionary and Wikipedia is how data is duplicated over and over again. Wikidata finally started solving that. We should take advantage from that. Here are some

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk-be] Where do source tags belong?

2014-07-06 Thread Jo
I tend to understand your concern, but I don't happen to share it and this is based on practical experience built up over the past years, doing exactly what we want to do with the TEC data: importing stops and creating route relations based on them. Jo PT.overpass Description: Binary data

Re: [Tagging] Relations are not categories excepted for type=network ?

2014-07-16 Thread Jo
The same is true for cycling and equestrian networks with numbered nodes. There are a few of those networks in Germany as well. These are not collections/categories. They are networks of route relations. Jo 2014-07-16 5:23 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com: In Belgium

Re: [Tagging] Relations are not categories excepted for type=network ?

2014-07-16 Thread Jo
We have been tagging these networks this way since the beginning of Openstreetmap.org. The network relations combine the nodes and the route relations for a given network of numbered walking/cycling/horsback riding network. equestrian networks get rhn. lhn. nhn and ihn don't exist, as far as I

Re: [Tagging] Relations are not categories excepted for type=network ?

2014-07-16 Thread Jo
which connect the nodes. Where they insisted on adding the nodes to the routes as well, I gave up. Of course, this also means I also gave up on checking those routes for continuity in the Netherlands, hence the inconsistency. Jo 2014-07-16 16:10 GMT+02:00 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Wed, Jul

Re: [Tagging] Relations are not categories excepted for type=network ?

2014-07-16 Thread Jo
Again, you are obviously not talking about the same thing. 2014-07-16 16:59 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: I'm going to have to side with Pieren against the network relation. Just spitballing, but that would roughly mean one network per county, and an additional 1-8 networks

Re: [Tagging] Relations are not categories excepted for type=network ?

2014-07-16 Thread Jo
Once upon a time, I created a wiki page about the subject: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cycle_Node_Network_Tagging This is one of the more complex situations. Most are simpler than that. Jo 2014-07-16 17:23 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 9:57 AM

Re: [Tagging] Relations are not categories excepted for type=network ?

2014-07-16 Thread Jo
. It's simply a matter of moving the 'complexity' from one place to another. Oh well, we'll have to discuss this on the Belgian and Dutch mailing lists/forums. Jo 2014-07-16 18:05 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: your

Re: [Tagging] highway=speed_camera equivalent for non-speed enforcement types

2014-07-22 Thread Jo
. Are you sure yours aren't speed cameras as well? Jo 2014-07-22 10:38 GMT+02:00 Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de: I hesitate to just invent a new highway=*_camera tag, beause I don't actually like it to be under the highway key (something accepted for the speed_camera probably only

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-19 Thread Jo
FYI it will remain a numeric ID, so it's unlikely you will ever become unagainst it. Editor support may help in displaying a human readable tag, but that will depend on the software, of course. Jo 2014-08-19 8:52 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com: 2014-08-19 0:38 GMT+02:00

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - nudism

2014-08-19 Thread Jo
maybe it should be nudism/naturism=not_anymore or paradise_lost Jo 2014-08-19 11:13 GMT+02:00 Heiko Wöhrle m...@heikowoehrle.de: i was also thinking about that. i think it is only neccesary if a former nudist place is changed to a place where clothing is expected Am 19.08.2014 09:37

Re: [Tagging] Route relations - Forward Backward

2014-09-05 Thread Jo
In bus route relations the ways don't get roles. In this case some ways would be members twice. In walking and cycling route relations we do use them. Those are bidirectional, whereas the bus and tram routes describe start to terminus for all variations. Jo On Sep 5, 2014 1:04 PM, Dave F. dave

Re: [Tagging] Route relations - Forward Backward

2014-09-05 Thread Jo
This is one example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3612781 This is another: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3908930 Jo 2014-09-05 21:07 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: Most bus routes in Belgium have

Re: [Tagging] Route relations - Forward Backward

2014-09-06 Thread Jo
in this route_master. Where the routes go over the highway between Brussels and Leuven and Leuven and Aarschot, it's obvious they are using the side of the highways which goes in their direction of travel. Hopefully this clarifies what I mean by variations. This one has 4, 2 in each direction. Jo 2014-09-06 5

Re: [Tagging] Route relations - Forward Backward

2014-09-06 Thread Jo
I hope noboby is still using the older way of adding bus routes for adding new bus routes to OSM. Jo 2014-09-06 8:33 GMT+02:00 Jo winfi...@gmail.com: If that is the case, then this street will be present in some variations of the bus routes for that line and the parallel street

Re: [Tagging] Route relations - Forward Backward

2014-09-06 Thread Jo
, except for those which are only to let people off or on. But usually I add a platform role anyway. Even though it's obvious that a node tagged with public_transport=platform/highway=bus_stop is a platform and a way is part of the route. Jo 2014-09-06 12:10 GMT+02:00 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com

Re: [Tagging] Route relations - Forward Backward

2014-09-06 Thread Jo
. This is enough information to calculate the stop_positions automatically. Adding them would mean constantly validating whether they are still correct though. Jo 2014-09-06 15:12 GMT+02:00 Éric Gillet fear.hardcore+...@gmail.com: Now if it were me, I wouldn't add roles to stops either

Re: [Tagging] tagging for graves?

2014-10-01 Thread Jo
While experimenting a bit with Wikidata, I added some subject:wikidata tags to tombstones: http://overpass-turbo.eu/?Q=%3Cquery%20type%3D%22node%22%3E%0A%20%20%3Chas-kv%20k%3D%22subject%3Awikidata%22%20v%3D%22Q336977%22%2F%3E%0A%3C%2Fquery%3E%0A%3Cprint%2F%3EC=51.1936;3.23812;18 Jo 2014-10-01

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-22 Thread Jo
the list. I'm sorry, but it's not because 7;8;10;11 are there that 9 necessarily is missing from the list. I deleted everything which was hidden under the three dots. Jo ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-22 Thread Jo
It's an actual example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/80725474 https://delijn.be/nl/haltes/halte/303059 (real time information) 121 characters... there's still some breathing room. I guess the risk of the street getting congested is higher than hitting the 255 characters limit. Jo

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-22 Thread Jo
Rattling on about those bus stops, I have an other example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/485938967 bus http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bus?uselang=en-US yes highway http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway?uselang=en-US bus_stop

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-24 Thread Jo
. You can work with it any way you like. By now, it should be clear you're not finding any support here for converting semicolon delimited lists to some more verbose format. The only consensus I see emerging is that we should avoid them where this is practical and possible. Jo

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of associatedStreet-relations

2015-01-23 Thread Jo
2015-01-23 21:53 GMT+01:00 moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com: On 22/01/2015, Johan C osm...@gmail.com wrote: From an OSM point-of-view, which includes being friendly towards novice users, relations should be avoided whenever possible. And associatedStreet relations are avoidable. The

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

2015-02-06 Thread Jo
I think relation street applies to all the way segments of the whole street with the same name (if in the same municipality), but I didn't check to be honest. 2015-02-06 19:44 GMT+01:00 Luca Sigfrido Percich luca.perc...@gmail.com: Many thanks Jo! Volker also suggests that I should see how

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

2015-02-06 Thread Jo
That's how it was initially done in most places, before we started mapping those tracks in more detail, which became possible thanks to improved resolution of the aerial imagery (and in the case of Brussels, thanks to UrbIS opening the data) Jo 2015-02-07 4:02 GMT+01:00 James Mast rickmastfa

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

2015-02-06 Thread Jo
. Jo 2015-02-07 0:31 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: 2015-02-06 17:29 GMT+01:00 Luca Sigfrido Percich luca.perc...@gmail.com: We could also user a lanes modifier: lanes=3 lanes:backward=2 tram:lanes:backward=yes|no tram:forward=yes I think this is the best way to tag

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

2015-02-06 Thread Jo
makes sense? Jo 2015-02-06 17:29 GMT+01:00 Luca Sigfrido Percich luca.perc...@gmail.com: Hi all, first time I write to the list (after lurking for a while), so I introduce myself. I am from Milano - Italy, I work for the municipality's agency for environment and mobility, and we'we been working

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

2015-02-08 Thread Jo
(on the straight parts) for the highway. An exception to that are dual carriageways, with the rails embedded, but usually the rails are between the carriageways in that case. Jo 2015-02-08 19:45 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: 2015-02-08 17:48 GMT+01:00 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

2015-02-08 Thread Jo
is it one asphalt way with one track? Then I agree. Or is it one asphalt way with two tracks, one for each direction of the tram lines? Then I'd draw 3 ways, 2 for the tracks, and 1 for the highway. Jo 2015-02-08 21:35 GMT+01:00 Markus Lindholm markus.lindh...@gmail.com: On 8 February 2015

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-21 Thread Jo
The 'new' public transport scheme actually has 'binary' keys for bus, tram, train, etc. When you ask to have it rendered, one of the arguments for not doing so is that those extra fields are not imported in the DB specifically set up for rendering. It's considered too complicated, even though the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - addrN:*

2015-01-18 Thread Jo
. Both the addresses in Brussels and The Netherlands were imported from sources with a suitable license. Jo 2015-01-18 22:23 GMT+01:00 Markus Lindholm markus.lindh...@gmail.com: On 18 January 2015 at 22:11, Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-01-18 20:52 GMT+00:00 Markus Lindholm

Re: [Tagging] Bus route relations. Forward/backward tag

2015-02-16 Thread Jo
broken. Or at least it's easier to notice that they are broken and where, as long as the ways are ordered. Jo 2015-02-16 18:58 GMT+01:00 Éric Gillet gill3t.3ric+...@gmail.com: 2015-02-16 13:03 GMT+01:00 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: There are still cases where forward/backward are useful with P2

Re: [Tagging] Bus route relations. Forward/backward tag

2015-02-16 Thread Jo
.) Jo 2015-02-16 13:03 GMT+01:00 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: There are still cases where forward/backward are useful with P2-routes. E.g. a route with a loop and some members used twice but different directions. Personally, I still use forward/backward on any member of a route which

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-27 Thread Jo
And dedication was proposed. As one of the first comments in this thread. Then it was repeated when dedication:wikidata was mentioned. Jo ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of associatedStreet-relations

2015-01-25 Thread Jo
this as an excercise for other communities. I think that handling this in a local way is the right move. - Serge On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 8:57 AM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes I remove stuff by accident realize it later and instead of going back just replace it, because I did more

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-26 Thread Jo
If this tag is to be useful (assuming it is the sort of thing OSM should record), maybe using Wikidata should be considered through an additional tag such as dedication:wikidata=Q33923 for Saint Peter https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q33923 I also think we should add wikidata tags right away

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of associatedStreet-relations

2015-01-25 Thread Jo
Sometimes I remove stuff by accident realize it later and instead of going back just replace it, because I did more stuff in that time and don't want to lose my work. If you care about preserving the history of that object, you could do the following in JOSM: Create new layer Download data

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-28 Thread Jo
a popular language ;-) The fact is that in French, we use no such words as Blessed. What about sacré-coeur? Jo ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

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