[Tagging] Footpaths through crops

2011-09-26 Thread John Sturdy
Yesterday I GPS-surveyed some public footpaths, one of which went through a crop (sugarbeet, I think). The surface was harder to walk on than dirt or grass, with lots of lumps (beet); the farmer had only marginally complied with the law:

Re: [Tagging] Wide steps

2011-10-10 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:50 PM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: Any suggestions as to how to represent some steps... These steps aren't that unusual I guess, but they aren't a staircase. They form the edges of a piazza-like platform, running most of the way around it. There are

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-13 Thread John Sturdy
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:28 AM, André Riedel riedel.an...@gmail.com wrote: As the creator of the proposal I do not like your proposed key/value entrance=public_transport. The tag should show the importance of an entrance and not what you will find behind the door. Definitely. I think it

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:20 AM, John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com wrote: Definitely.  I think it would be good, wherever possible, to stick to the idea of the value of a tag subclassing the key, so that building

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Are you recommending to tag subway stations as buildings in order to be able to tag their entrances? That seems logical to me. Is there some problem with doing this, that I haven't seen? I know that it would be

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 10/14/2011 01:18 PM, John Sturdy wrote: Are you recommending to tag subway stations as buildings in order to be able to tag their entrances? That seems logical to me.  Is there some problem with doing

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: What about covered=yes? or underground=yes which could be a simple filter for all of us who don't want to be disturbed by underground features

Re: [Tagging] Key location (was Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*)

2011-10-14 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/10/14 Kytömaa Lauri lauri.kyto...@aalto.fi: Taginfo won't show the combinations at the moment, but location=* is, afaik, used on ways with man_made=pipeline and nodes tagged amenity/emergency=fire_hydrant. Yes but the

[Tagging] transformers on poles -- ambiguity in documentation?

2011-10-17 Thread John Sturdy
On http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dpole/Gallery, there is an entry that says: Typical Finnish 20 kV line (topmost), a transformer and the resulting 400 V line. The transformer should be tagged as power=sub_station. When you follow the link on the image for that text, the page

Re: [Tagging] barrier=?

2011-10-21 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:37 AM, John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com wrote: I suggest barrier=rising_kerb for the ones Dave originally posted about Just re-opened Dave's original message, and saw that's what he's already suggested! __John ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (sceptic_tank)

2011-10-22 Thread John Sturdy
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 8:18 PM, David Paleino da...@debian.org wrote: On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 22:04:48 +0300, Reinier Battenberg wrote: Sean Blaschke and myself also created a page for sceptic_tank. You dont want to fall into one, so mapping them seems like a good idea. Page renamed to

Re: [Tagging] towers, why limit communication towers to 2way and broadcasting?

2011-11-03 Thread John Sturdy
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: or maybe even better: Communication towers are intended to hold equipment for broadcast, two-way communications or reception; such as radio, television, cellphones, two-way radio and optical communication. At

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - natural=ridge

2011-11-07 Thread John Sturdy
On 11/8/11, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: What I mean is that if the ridges can be auto-generated, they can be rendered without being in the database. If you don't have the longitude, latitude, and altitude of a sufficient number of points in the database, any calculated

Re: [Tagging] How do you tag a shop that sells herbal medicine

2011-11-10 Thread John Sturdy
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: shop=herbalist's shop I think shop in the value is redundant, as shop is the key, so shop=herbalist I prefer this one. __John ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - entrance/door

2011-11-18 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/11/17 Andreas Balzer andreas.bal...@live.de: Hello, I've added a proposal on how to tag doors. It would be nice to get your opinions on this.

Re: [Tagging] Health and other stories

2012-01-11 Thread John Sturdy
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 9:42 AM, sabas88 saba...@gmail.com wrote: Take the examples of dentist and prison, they aren't pleasant (http://www.wordreference.com/definition/amenity) :) Perhaps facility would be a better word for such things? There are some tags I'd very much like to see changed,

[Tagging] Amenity swimming_pool (was Amenity parking)

2012-01-11 Thread John Sturdy
I've been marking open-air swimming pools that I've spotted in back gardens etc, that are presumably private. It struck me as odd to call them amenities as I take that to be something public. Should I go back to them and mark them as access=private where they're clearly associated with houses?

Re: [Tagging] Amenity swimming_pool (was Amenity parking)

2012-01-12 Thread John Sturdy
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: On the one hand I wouldn't bother tagging them, but for the ones that you did tag, I think you should go back and tag them private. The tennis courts too. Agreed --- I'll do that (although fairly gradually). Every time I see solar

Re: [Tagging] Amenity swimming_pool (was Amenity parking)

2012-01-12 Thread John Sturdy
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Depending on where you live, the government may already have such data available: http://www.ocpafl.org/searches/ParcelSearch.aspx?pid=282316389901790 PL3 - Large Elaborate Pool Hmmm... my first thought was that's

Re: [Tagging] Amenity swimming_pool (was Amenity parking)

2012-01-13 Thread John Sturdy
Permissive path is a well-established term in the UK (at least in England and Wales; Scottish law may differ concerning types of access right, but I don't know the details). According to the page Basics of footpath law on the UK Ramblers' Assocation website

Re: [Tagging] permissive etc. (was Amenity swimming_pool (was Amenity parking))

2012-01-13 Thread John Sturdy
Another variation that I've heard of is a farm internal road that the farmer allows cyclists to use provided they sign a disclaimer that they won't sue him for any accidents they have along the road (or something like that, maybe using the road is taken to indicate agreement with the conditions).

Re: [Tagging] access=no (was Amenity swimming_pool (was Amenity parking))

2012-01-16 Thread John Sturdy
I understand access=no as meaning no *public* access, but perhaps that is better covered by access=private. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] psv (was Re: access=no (was Amenity swimming_pool (was Amenity parking)))

2012-01-17 Thread John Sturdy
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Are there examples of places where taxis can't use a bus lane? Maybe the approaches to a bus station. And certainly within some bus stations, although you might not count that as a bus lane. __John

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-17 Thread John Sturdy
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com wrote: Regarding Landuse=residential I do not agree with the approach of the two examples http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=35.323225lon=-119.077089zoom=18 http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=45.301967lon=8.444596zoom=18

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - building_passage

2012-01-19 Thread John Sturdy
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Flaimo fla...@gmail.com wrote: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/building_passage any comments or suggestion can be added to the talk page of the proposal Done -- suggesting height and width and other tags, and querying how to handle

Re: [Tagging] Sports_centre, gym, dojo

2012-02-11 Thread John Sturdy
On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Komяpa m...@komzpa.net wrote: I would recommend not to use the word 'gymnasium, because it is easily confused (and even recognised by google translate) as high school in russian language. Also in Swedish and German, I think. __John

[Tagging] Farm hard standing --- how should we tag it?

2012-03-09 Thread John Sturdy
In some areas of the country (noticeably the Fens, with their wet soil, I think) there are concreted areas beside farm tracks, that farmers use for storing things on (such as hay bales). I don't know what these are called, and have generally not mapped them, but they are a noticeable feature of

Re: [Tagging] Preventing traffic signs - Invitation to discussion

2012-03-14 Thread John Sturdy
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:25 AM, OSM user o...@fizik.spb.ru wrote: Hello!   I want to use some designations for preventing traffic signs: I think the usual English term is warning signs rather than preventing signs. (In modern English, to prevent is to stop something happening, although it

[Tagging] Extension of the payment:* keys

2012-04-10 Thread John Sturdy
I recently found myself inconvenienced by turning up for lunch at a pub that only took cash, when I had only card money on me (something that I gather a growing number of people make a habit of doing), and immediately thought that would be a good thing to be able to warn about on OSM. So now I've

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-11 Thread John Sturdy
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 10. April 2012 22:01 schrieb Komяpa m...@komzpa.net: It's possible to have pedestrian routing without separate ways for sidewalks, but it's nicer when it shows you where you can actually cross the road. The

Re: [Tagging] addr

2012-05-08 Thread John Sturdy
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: To be a city it would require a cathedral. Or a charter... Cambridge is a city without a cathedral, for example. __John ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] addr

2012-05-08 Thread John Sturdy
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: I believe there is an address locallity which can be used in this case. Yes, and this is consistent with rural Irish addresses which don't use street and housenumbering, but divide parishes into townlands, which

Re: [Tagging] addr

2012-05-08 Thread John Sturdy
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: That is very true, although I had assumed that on recieving a city charter a church is normally made a cathedral No, that's a completely separate matter, handled by the Church of England --- the charter is from the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Auctioneer

2012-05-09 Thread John Sturdy
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 11:23 PM, D4RK-L3G10N d4rkl3g...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear fellow mappers, I have created a proposal to map an auctioneer Note that in Ireland (at least in the southwest, which is the only part I've lived in) the term auctioneer is used to refer to what in the UK are called

Re: [Tagging] How to tag the area of a (public) outdoor swimming pool ?

2012-05-25 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 11:58 AM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: By the way, how do I tag a pool which is only for women ? Do we have a gender access tag so far ? women=only ? Probably access=women ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Update of article highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-26 Thread John Sturdy
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 4:23 AM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote: If there is only a single vehicle, or two vehicles traveling in opposite directions, it is common to drive straight across the middle rather than going

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed=signals

2012-06-26 Thread John Sturdy
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote: All of them showed 100. And under normal circumstances they will always show 100. The tag maxspeed=signals doesn't carry any useful information in this situation How about the default_maxspeed tag, which is already

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed=signals

2012-06-26 Thread John Sturdy
are present, and others still are based on signal indication. Those sound fairly predictable, although not necessarily easy to parse and use in routing applications. On Jun 26, 2012 5:47 AM, John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I know, variable speed limits tend to be used

Re: [Tagging] Brickworks

2012-07-13 Thread John Sturdy
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to tag a brickworks. Maybe it's the heat (30 centigrades indoors), but I cannot find a specific tagging for a brickworks (large site, heaps of finished bricks, well visible chimney). How about:

[Tagging] Synonym handling

2012-07-13 Thread John Sturdy
Rather than long discussions about renaming or merging tags (e.g. drinkable, potable), perhaps we should accept that there will be things for which more than one tag name is in use, and decide on a format and a URL at which a synonym table can be stored, for renderers and other tools to use?

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Names localization

2012-08-01 Thread John Sturdy
[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Names_localization +1, generally; but I'm not keen on deprecating the bare name=* tag, because for many (perhaps most) named features, there is only one name. For example, a minor rural road in England will probably have a name (in

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Names localization

2012-08-01 Thread John Sturdy
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Andrew Errington erringt...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 19:48:37 John Sturdy wrote: It's also not true that in a 'monolingual' country that there is only one name for something. For example, London is 'London' to a British person, but 'Londres

Re: [Tagging] Advice clarification of the railway tracks=* tag required.

2012-08-08 Thread John Sturdy
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Are we agreed that tracks=4 on each individual way to indicate the total number of tracks running side by side is wrong? I think it's wrong (I think tracks=n on a way indicates how many tracks that way represents). __John

Re: [Tagging] landuse=residential in rural areas

2012-08-17 Thread John Sturdy
I'd include houses' gardens in the residential land use area associated with the houses --- if they're large rural gardens, it helps to distinguish them from fields. __John ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Ford = depreciated?

2012-08-25 Thread John Sturdy
Why has Ford been depreciated? It is the correct definition, and the word used on road signs. A google search revealed this wiki page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:ford Why has it not been discussed in this mailing list where it will be seen by someone who is not searching

Re: [Tagging] Planters

2012-09-04 Thread John Sturdy
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Johan Jönsson joha...@goteborg.cc wrote: Andy Carter osm@... writes: Good idea! I had to check up on the word planter http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/planter Seems absolute spot on as a large flower-pot used as decoration or as a barrier. Since we

Re: [Tagging] Ferry lines, ways or relations?

2012-09-07 Thread John Sturdy
There may be more than one duration of trip on the same route --- for example, conventional ferries and fast catamarans / hydrofoils sharing a route. (Fishguard --- Rosslare used to do this, for example.) __John ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] amenity=kennel

2012-09-13 Thread John Sturdy
Martin wrote: Actually I just revived an old proposal for stables [1]. My first thought was to simply use stables=animal until someone with much better english language skills pointed out that stables usually only refer to horses. I would also like to see one common tag for some place where

Re: [Tagging] Uses of parts of buildings

2012-09-26 Thread John Sturdy
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Martin Vonwald (imagic) imagic@gmail.com wrote: Hi, A quick question how you would tag this: * one building (looks from the outside mostly like a residential building) * the building is used for three different things: an office, a riding ground (just

Re: [Tagging] How to tag railroad named control points?

2012-10-22 Thread John Sturdy
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 1:53 PM, David ``Smith'' vidthe...@gmail.com wrote: My employer is a contractor for a few railroads, and through that experience I have gained personal knowlege of several named control points for one railroad in particular. A control point typically consists of signals

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Obstacle

2012-10-29 Thread John Sturdy
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: There is already a specification, to whom it is an obstacle (obstacle:car, ...) maybe we could have an additional obstacle:waterway for all waterbased transport (or more differentiated, it is probably

Re: [Tagging] Exclusive access rights

2012-11-02 Thread John Sturdy
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: It is rare to prohibit hgvs as such, the way this is achieved is by weight or length. The most common is to prohibit vehicles over 7.5t, the historic breakpoint between a vehicle that could be driven on a car license

Re: [Tagging] Fuel, additional tags

2012-11-13 Thread John Sturdy
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: Have never seen it sold alongside normal petrol or diesel however, it is illegal to drive on a public road when using it. It's widely available at filling stations in rural areas of the Republic of Ireland (where it

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - roller_coaster key

2013-01-11 Thread John Sturdy
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: One point that jumps to mind: I would imagine that you will find the layer=* tag to be better than level=*. +1 __John ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Is the difference between power station and sub station clear?

2013-01-21 Thread John Sturdy
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 7:33 PM, François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu wrote: So we have the same opinion so far, that's great! And from me, to. Just a question about the OSM sense of deprecated. Why can't we directly display a big message on each never use this tag to inform

Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?

2013-02-06 Thread John Sturdy
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote: 2013/2/6 Dudley Ibbett dudleyibb...@hotmail.com: The other problem with mapping some of these is they are often designed to be mobile to get round planning rules. Correct! I'm not sure I'd map this mobile type as it

Re: [Tagging] cinema service_times

2013-06-01 Thread John Sturdy
I think that as many cinemas vary the showing times, and I expect most have websites now, a link to the cinema's own web site would be more suitable. __John ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] tagging cannons

2013-06-05 Thread John Sturdy
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: +1, e.g. there is a cannon in Rome on the gianicolo hill that is fired once every day at noon (but I guess they don't put a ball in) in remembrance of the Italian unification. I suspect most fixed cannon still

Re: [Tagging] Reviving pitlatrine proposal from 2011

2013-06-20 Thread John Sturdy
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 6:22 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: Looking at the old proposal page for http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:pitlatrine I see a an alternative of: toilets:type=[flush,pit,chemical,bucket] Thus we might have: *amenity=toilets* *toilets:type=pit*

Re: [Tagging] Last call for comments on Proposed features/childcare2.0

2013-06-20 Thread John Sturdy
I think we should be able to make the age range explicit, via an age= tag, e.g. age=1-4 rather than only making it implicit through terms such as kindergarten. Otherwise, looks good to me. __John ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

[Tagging] Catering trailers

2013-06-21 Thread John Sturdy
How should we map roadside catering trailers, that are either left at a fixed location, or brought to the same location every day (or every weekday)? They're a regular part of UK road culture. Typically, they serve bacon rolls, sausages, etc, and tea and coffee, and are usually open from

Re: [Tagging] Catering trailers

2013-06-21 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: Could we avoid moving features in OSM ? Otherwise the same object, a trailer, will be mapped in several places. The ones I'm thinking of mapping are either physically in the form of trailers, but static (i.e they have wheels but

Re: [Tagging] Catering trailers

2013-06-21 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 1:44 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.comwrote: Perhaps we need a tag to indicate a catering vehicle location, as opposed to the vehicle itself? The idea of highway=bus_stop with cuisine=hot_dogs amuses me, but I don't think it's really the right tagging. :-)

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - gross weight

2013-06-24 Thread John Sturdy
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.dewrote: With this it would be: - max_weight: the maximum weight of the complete vehicle (including truck and trailer, in the German traffic rules (Straßenverkehrsordnung, StVO) that's a Zug; if I interpret my dictionary

Re: [Tagging] type for natural=tree (leaved - leafed)

2013-07-07 Thread John Sturdy
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 5:33 PM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: Hey Could an BE-speaking person please tell me what the right spelling for broad_leafed is. Numbers are almost even in the data. Probably, a nice task for a bot. I'm pretty sure it's broad-leaved. The other sounds only

Re: [Tagging] type for natural=tree (leaved - leafed)

2013-07-07 Thread John Sturdy
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 5:47 PM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 07.07.2013 18:33, schrieb fly: Hey Could an BE-speaking person please tell me what the right spelling for broad_leafed is. Numbers are almost even in the data. Probably, a nice task for a bot. Sorry, numbers are

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-09 Thread John Sturdy
It would probably be good to re-open discussion (and add your voice to it, particularly as you have an interest in using such a tag); after that, I think this one could be ready to vote on. __John On 7/9/13, alyssa wright alyssapwri...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. I'm beginning to get a better

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-10 Thread John Sturdy
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:07 PM, alyssa wright alyssapwri...@gmail.comwrote: Again, thanks for all the discussion. I'm following most of it. ;) I think... Could I attempt to articulate what I consider the major confusion in the existing kindergarten tag? Perhaps this is already known, but

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-20 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 11:04 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Pubs that are over foodie, tables laid etc, should in my opinion be tagged as restaurants. Those have lost their primary focus as a place to go for a

Re: [Tagging] historic=vicarage

2013-08-02 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 6:07 AM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: I'm currently mapping the protected monuments in Belgium. One of the buildings you encounter are vicarages. I looked at taginfo, but couldn't find an appropriate tag. or presbytery ? ... It's for roman-catholic pastors

Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-16 Thread John Sturdy
I'd prefer to indicate a transformer mounted on a pole with either: power=transformer layer=1 or power=pole transformer=yes with a preference for the former. __John ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-16 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:14 PM, John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com wrote: I'd prefer to indicate a transformer mounted on a pole with either: power=transformer layer=1 You didn't catch that the node is primarily tagged

Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-16 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 3:53 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: If you have the layer=1 on the node, renderers may decide that the entire node, including the pole, are on layer 1. Good point! Agreed. __John ___ Tagging mailing list

[Tagging] telephone lines (and marking other things we don't map)

2013-08-27 Thread John Sturdy
I recently found that a way I'd marked as a minor power line (from Bing) is actually a telephone line (from survey), which we seem to have a convention of not mapping. Should I just delete it, or tag it just so that no-one else seeing it on Bing will map it as a power line in the future? More

Re: [Tagging] telephone lines (and marking other things we don't map)

2013-08-27 Thread John Sturdy
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Kytömaa Lauri lauri.kyto...@aalto.fi wrote: People map what is of interest to them. Just use a tag that doesn't already mean something different. Threre is also people who doesn't want

Re: [Tagging] bicycle barriers open issue: bicycle trailors

2013-08-28 Thread John Sturdy
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 1:58 AM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: One can tag the maximum width that can fit through, given zero length, and can tag the maximum length that can fit through, given zero width, but a trailer that has BOTH the maximum length and maximum width will not

Re: [Tagging] telephone lines (and marking other things we don't map)

2013-08-28 Thread John Sturdy
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 1:35 AM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote: But what if the pole has both telephone and power on it? ;) That's what's common here in my neighborhood. I can look out my front door and see a pole with both of them using it. For that, I'd suggest man_made=pole

Re: [Tagging] Ace Hardware

2013-08-30 Thread John Sturdy
+1 for franchise=; that covers all types of franchises, and keeps clear of operator=. __John ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] owner vs operator

2013-09-03 Thread John Sturdy
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 11:59 AM, François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu wrote: Operator could be given by operator=* and the effective owner by a new owner=* tag. What about when a business is owned by one entity, but operated on their behalf by another, in a building that they

Re: [Tagging] mapping qanats

2013-09-27 Thread John Sturdy
I'm not sure whether this should have its own tag; how different is it from either an underground pipeline or an underground canal? __John ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Wind turbines: big and small

2013-10-08 Thread John Sturdy
We could also tag whether they are horizontal axis (windmill-style) or vertical-axis (Savonius rotor) turbines. This could be helpful for people looking for landmarks, as the two types look very different. __John ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Remote controlled devices

2013-10-28 Thread John Sturdy
Sich devices could be mapped using a relation to link them to their control centre; this would be enough to imply that they are remote controlled. __John ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for cel phone credit selling places?

2013-11-25 Thread John Sturdy
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: If I get you right, these shops are not mainly telephone card shops, but other shops that also sell telephone cards and/or phone credit. In this case I'd use an attribute, e.g. sell:telephone_card or

Re: [Tagging] tag man_made=campanile to be replaced with man_made=belfry?

2014-02-07 Thread John Sturdy
On 2/7/14, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: Or perhaps belfry:bells=8 to indicate the number of bells in the peal, or belfry:tenor=1000 for the weight of the largest bell in kg (typical UK)? The weight of the tenor is significant to ringers (I'm a lapsed ringer myself) but giving it kg

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

2014-03-14 Thread John Sturdy
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 3:09 PM, ael law_ence@ntlworld.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 09:34:24AM +, jonathan wrote: Here's my take from an Englishman! While the term dirt road is used here, it is much rarer as all From another English person, I would say that dirt in British

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

2014-03-17 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 1:44 PM, John Willis jo...@mac.com wrote: Since OSM uses British English, what word would you pair with road, as in dirt road? Earthen road? Inquiring minds want to know. Either compacted earth road (more specific) or unsurfaced road (which I prefer); or green lane

Re: [Tagging] highway=track access

2014-06-03 Thread John Sturdy
On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 1:13 AM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: Byway looks like a highway=service + service=byway + surface=unpaved to me. They're not necessarily service roads --- they don't have to lead to any premises at all; they're simply minor roads, usually unsealed. __John

Re: [Tagging] No abbreviations in names edge case

2014-06-18 Thread John Sturdy
I reckon that if it isn't an abbreviation for any extant longer name, it is no longer an abbreviation, and has become the full name in its own right. On 18 Jun 2014 10:06, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: After a quick search:

Re: [Tagging] Fireplace, Fire Pit, BBQ Grill

2014-06-23 Thread John Sturdy
As a native English speaker, I's only use fireplace for an indoor feature of a building: and a fire pit would be sunken into the ground, whereas a BBQ grill is a structure above the ground, either a portable metal one or a permanent brick one. __John On 23 Jun 2014 11:44, Andreas Goss

Re: [Tagging] Fireplace, Fire Pit, BBQ Grill

2014-06-23 Thread John Sturdy
I'd call that a barbecue, as it's above ground. __John On 23 Jun 2014 13:37, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote: a fire pit would be sunken into the ground Could that also sometimes (often?) be used for BBQ? What would you call this: http://www.grillplatzverzeichnis.de/

Re: [Tagging] Native English speakers: locker or lockbox?

2014-06-25 Thread John Sturdy
British English: locker. I've never before encountered the word lockbox; I'd use safe deposit box or perhaps safebox for the ones in a bank. __John (native British English speaker) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Aerodrome types

2014-07-03 Thread John Sturdy
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 9:46 PM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: I don't like this way of mapping. There might be some overlaps, what if one aerodrome has a military and a public part? Agreed -- I know at least one that is. __John ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-18 Thread John Sturdy
Some monasteries have quite extensive grounds which are within the monastic enclosure, that is, private to the monastic community and subject to the same rules as the monastery (e.g. if it's a silent order, that area of the grounds will be silent). __John

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse

2014-08-01 Thread John Sturdy
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Jesse B. Crawford je...@jbcrawford.us wrote: As a perhaps helpful example, near my old home in Portland, OR, USA there was a retreat facility operated by the catholic diocese. It featured extensive grounds that you might call a park, except that they were fenced

Re: [Tagging] Mapping cave tunnels passable by human

2014-08-14 Thread John Sturdy
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote: Maybe not completely obvious, but I would agree with Janko. In my opinion, a tunnel is man-made, while a cave is not. On the whole, yes, but there are some artificial underground cavities that are referred to as

Re: [Tagging] Forest vs Wood

2014-09-24 Thread John Sturdy
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 9:29 PM, Andrew Guertin andrew.guer...@uvm.edu wrote: landcover=forest anywhere there's trees on the ground This doesn't agree with my (British English) understanding of the terms; a wood can be small, but a forest is always large. Small and large being loosely

Re: [Tagging] Truckage company

2014-10-09 Thread John Sturdy
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Andreas Labres l...@lab.at wrote: Any suggestion how to tag a transport company (a company forwarding goods, don't know how you call these guys from the Güterbeförderungsgewerbe like DPD etc. in English)? The companies often refer to their sector as

Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?

2015-01-09 Thread John Sturdy
Wouldn't it be simplest to leave the religion or denomination tag out, if the facility isn't specific to a particular religion or denomination? __John On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 09/01/2015 01:53, Tom Pfeifer wrote: Martin Koppenhoefer wrote on

Re: [Tagging] courtyards

2015-02-09 Thread John Sturdy
Here's another variation: the courtyard of Limerick's Milk Market: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/115572313 It was originally open at the top, but now has a canopy that covers most of it; and it's not a leisure facility. __John On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Friedrich Volkmann

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-13 Thread John Sturdy
I think it would be good to mark these, with a suitable description; prohibited, no, or closed perhaps? If it's still a landmark that people will recognize as a campsite, it can be useful for navigation, and it may help to implement the prohibition, in that people turning up there will have some

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