Re: [Tagging] Coastline for rivers, estuaries and mangroves?

2018-09-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Wednesday 05 September 2018, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: >> Colin and Christoph, could you give some guidance about a couple of >> the specific situations that I brought up in the original post? >> >> Fir

Re: [Tagging] Coastline for rivers, estuaries and mangroves?

2018-09-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
are mapping the longest extention of the river. Has this method been used extensively? -Joseph Eisenberg Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2018 23:40:02 +0200 From: Colin Smale To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] Coastline for rivers, estuaries

Re: [Tagging] Coastline for rivers, estuaries and mangroves?

2018-09-06 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> From: Christoph Hormann > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Coastline for rivers, estuaries and mangroves? > Message-ID: <201809051803.36467@imagico.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-

Re: [Tagging] Coastline for rivers, estuaries and mangroves?

2018-09-09 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 9. Sep 2018, at 07:00, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > > > What do you all think about using waterway=river & river=tidalchannel > for water channels in mangroves? > > > IMHO we could have a tag for

Re: [Tagging] Coastline for rivers, estuaries and mangroves?

2018-09-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
to use tidal=yes & salt=yes with waterway=river, without any new tag, for these waterways through the mangroves? -Joseph Eisenberg in Papua, Indonesia On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 6:35 PM Christoph Hormann wrote: > On Saturday 08 September 2018, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > &g

Re: [Tagging] Coastline for rivers, estuaries and mangroves?

2018-09-09 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The legal definition of the baseline is the low tide line and also cuts across bays, inlets and estuaries. But OSM has always marked the coastline at the mean high water line, and that is also the line shown on most maps. It is also much easier to verify than the low water baseline, which by

Re: [Tagging] What is a terrace after all?

2018-09-09 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
André, "terraced housing" is a British English language term for what we would call row houses in America. If there is already a building outline for the whole row, and you would like to make it more precise by outlining each individual house, great! (As the wiki says, this is the preferred

Re: [Tagging] Slow vehicle turnouts

2018-09-10 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I'd say that it would be better to leave them unmapped than to incorrectly map them as separate service roads. If they are only divided by a single painted line, they are just lanes, not a separate roadway. And it's not too difficult to split the way twice and paste on a couple of tags On Mon,

Re: [Tagging] Double, double, toil and trouble (how to map Witch's Cauldron?)

2018-10-07 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
A collapsed cave on land is a sinkhole. Is that not appropriate? The natural=cliff idea is also sensible and correct for the edge of the hole Natural=arch on a node is a great idea for the natural bridge between the collapsed section and the open sea. There are plenty of similar features on

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Free drinking water by private entities

2018-10-07 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Re: never heard of a restaurant before that does not allow > taking away your food In the USA, most fancy, sit-down restaurants will not allow customers to order food “to-go” (American for takeaway). You have to sit down and eat the meal on the premises. But if you don’t eat it all, they will

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

2018-10-07 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Is this name “Groble” the name of the land that surrounds the ponds, or is it the name of the water features only? I wouldn’t use locality for water areas. Multipolygon would not be ideal, because that would double-count the amount of water. If someone tries to analyze the number of lakes or

[Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

2018-10-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The team at Openstreetmap-carto (the "standard" map style) recently added rendering for power=cable which are specifically tagged as being overground or overhead (on the ground or on poles). Most power=cable are high-voltage underground or underwater power cables, but some are insulated cables

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

2018-10-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
is exactly implied in minor_line, and what is cluttering power > key values too. > > To solve the problem, carto can filter power=cable on voltage=*, because > we shouldn't introduce power=minor_cable. > > All the best > > François > > Le dim. 14 oct. 2018 à 12:48, Joseph Eisenbe

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Default Language Format

2018-10-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The proposal for a default:language= tag has been discussed for the past 3 weeks. There have been no new comments this week, and I hope the proposal is ready for approval. Thank you for all of your ideas and suggestions Please go to the proposal page and read the discussion on the talk page:

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

2018-10-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
fl dot infosreseaux At gmail dot com > www.infos-reseaux.com > @InfosReseaux <http://www.twitter.com/InfosReseaux> > > > Le lun. 15 oct. 2018 à 00:05, Joseph Eisenberg > a écrit : > >> What about the 2 insulated wires that attach my house to the nearest >> power pole?

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

2018-10-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
: > On Mon, October 15, 2018 2:28 pm, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > Is there any limit to what can be mapped power=cable ? > > Can micromappers use this tag for wires connecting their > > house to a garage ? > > voltage=* is a clear importance filter that offers a simple pr

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

2018-10-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Yes, the software can change the icon color, so if an existing icon shape is good, we can just use that. On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 10:57 PM Paul Allen wrote: > On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 2:29 PM ChameleonScales < > chameleonsca...@protonmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Also I'd like to upload a proposed svg

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

2018-10-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Sorry, that should be “80% of power=cable...” On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 11:11 PM Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote: > 0% of power=cable have a voltage tag: > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/power=cable#combinations > > Only 30% of power=minor_line have

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Default Language Format

2018-10-16 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:55 PM Marc Gemis wrote: > > Are there lots of POIs in Brussels that have a name in both languages in > the database but should only be displayed in one language? > > I don't understand this. Where should the POI be displayed in 1 > language ? That all depends on the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Default Language Format

2018-10-18 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
, or both. I believe this should work for a large majority of named features even in a multilingual, cosmopolitan city like Brussels. In most places it will be much simpler. On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 6:09 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 17. Oct 2018

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Default Language Format

2018-10-18 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
By “map users” I meant database users and map renderers, sorry On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 7:59 AM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Map users could guess that the first language should be shown first; for > example, if default:language=fr;nl you can show name:fr= first, then > name:nl= , and

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Default Language Format

2018-10-18 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 17. Oct 2018, at 06:28, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > > > The tag default:language=fr;nl should prompt a map renderer or database > user to find both name:fr and name:nl. It is up to the map renderer to > decide how

Re: [Tagging] Hot springs and Geysers

2018-10-21 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
, Oct 22, 2018 at 9:57 AM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 22/10/18 11:15, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > > On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 09:44, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > >> There are now over 500 hot springs mapped with natural=hot_spring. The >

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

2018-10-21 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Aren’t major lines usually part of the longer-distance transmission system, and minor lines are local distribution? Like highway=primary vs highway=residential? That seems like a useful and important distinction, and it usually goes along with the difference in voltage and the heights of the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

2018-10-21 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
As a new mapper, I would not have though to type “diplomatic” when searching for a tag for an embassy or consulate. It’s nice if mappers can just type “embassy” or “consulate” into the ID editor and have it pop up. So I like amenity=consulate On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 7:42 AM Warin

[Tagging] Hot springs and Geysers

2018-10-21 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
There are now over 500 hot springs mapped with natural=hot_spring. The tag was proposed way back in 2008 but the proposal was never approved. Wiki: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dhot_spring Original proposal: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Hot_Spring Some

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Default Language Format

2018-10-17 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
As we discussed last month, brands are not necessarily in a particular language. Name=McDonalds isn’t really right, it should probably just be brand=McDonalds unless the specific location has a real name. And what language is “IKEA”? But at any rate, it’s fine to just use name= for a chain

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

2018-10-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Thanks for working on this proposal, Markus. I agree that it would be useful to have an approved type of land use for the administrative offices of governments. However, I'm not sure that "governmental" is the best value for the landuse key. I think there would be a risk of mappers finding this

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Default Language Format

2018-10-16 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
gt; names of villages, street names, government offices and the like. > For all the other POIs the default_language will have to be > overwritten. Is this an acceptable outcome of your proposal ? > > m. > On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 3:23 PM Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

2018-10-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
If amenity=school, amenity=university and amenity=hospital count as a landuse, then amenity=embassy / consulate can be treated like the landuse of the area. I don’t think a separate landuse tag is needed if the embassy is drawn as a closed way (“area”) -Joseph On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 10:41 AM

Re: [Tagging] Out of the bars and onto the map: An lgbtq:*=* tagging scheme?

2018-10-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
This is not my area of expertise. But I’ve noticed that a number of bars that are designed for gay men in the USA have a sign on the door with a crossed out “W”. It looks like a no smoking sign but with a capital W instead of a cigarette. This means “no women allowed.” My wife tells me this is

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-10-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
t 2018 at 08:19, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > >> FYI, currently the height and tower:type of man_made=tower is used to set >> the zoom level where it appears on the Openstreetmap-carto style sheet >> (“standard” style). >> > > Thanks Joseph - I obviously misread it

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-10-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
FYI, currently the height and tower:type of man_made=tower is used to set the zoom level where it appears on the Openstreetmap-carto style sheet (“standard” style). But man_made=communications_tower is assumed to be big and tall, so it renders like a >100m tall tower with no type, or

[Tagging] Radio telescopes

2018-10-25 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I am working on rendering man_made=telescopes, starting with telescope:type=radio. Next will be telescope:type=optical. I noticed that man_made=radio_telecope is listed as a possible tagging mistake on the telescope wiki page. But there are still over 200 tagged with this, versus 450 with

Re: [Tagging] Area with restaurants, hotels, cinemas - is it landuse=commercial?

2018-10-29 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
e, 30 Oct 2018 at 08:51, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > >> We should map the most intensive landuse, from a map user standpoint. So >> a mixed-use area of tall buildings would be retail. There might be condos >> and apartments on the 20th to 40th floor, offices on the 10th 20th

Re: [Tagging] Area with restaurants, hotels, cinemas - is it landuse=commercial?

2018-10-29 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
We should map the most intensive landuse, from a map user standpoint. So a mixed-use area of tall buildings would be retail. There might be condos and apartments on the 20th to 40th floor, offices on the 10th 20th floors, a garage for cars from floor 2 to 9, but the first couple of levels are

Re: [Tagging] Another multipolygon question

2018-10-28 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
You can make any number of relation members with role “inner”. So if the refuge has outlying areas which have a hole in them, the way(s) around the outside are role=outer and the way(s) around the hole are role=inner. It really is “multipolygon”: as many polygons as you want, with as many holes

Re: [Tagging] Another multipolygon question

2018-10-29 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Re: “Does that mean the inner/outer roles alternate as you add more and more "nested" objects to the large multipolygon?“ Yes, you’ve got it. This situation is rare but it does happen. On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 4:52 PM Dave Swarthout wrote: > Thanks. > > After I posted my question I thought about

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables Proposal RFC

2018-10-31 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I agree that it would be useful and reasonable to have frequency (headway’s) and the days a route is served. Here in Indonesia, most local buses do not run on a timetable, but it would be very useful to know if there is one bus a day, one per hour, or one per minute. This makes a huge difference,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

2018-10-30 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Re: “To make this work, projects like osm carto would either have to add a column for this key to their dbs” I don’t think this is a big problem. This year we added “advertising” as a top-level key that is rendered for advertising=column. It does make the code a little more complex, but so does

Re: [Tagging] Radio telescopes

2018-10-25 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
man_made=tower has an option for tower:structure=dish which is used with tower:type=communication for tall communication dishes aka satellite dishes, and we even render is at a dish with signals, in the openstreetmap-carto style. But I agree that this is an odd way to do it, and it also doesn’t

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-10-25 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Wikidata’s license is CC0, so that is compatible, and almost all numerical values from Wikipedia, like height of buildings and towers, are also in Wikidata. On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 7:05 AM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at 19:27, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > >> Looking

[Tagging] Types of cranes?

2018-10-27 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
There are a number of types of cranes subtagged with crane:type= The most common are crane:type=portal_crane 900 crane:type=Container_crane 474 crane:type=Gantry_crane 282 crane:type=Travellift=231 Also, the wiki page mention: floor-mounted_crane travel_lift Mobile or temporary construction

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables Proposal RFC

2018-11-02 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
“In cities that publish their GTFS timetables under free licenses which are kept current I don't see the point in duplicating this into OSM” Sure! But how many GTFS feeds are there in the whole world, compared to the number of towns with public transit? I’m guessing that in Europe perhaps the

Re: [Tagging] Radio telescopes

2018-10-25 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 25. Oct 2018, at 08:36, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > > > man_made=radio_telecope is listed as a possible tagging mistake on the > telescope wiki page. But there are still over 200 tagged with this, ve

Re: [Tagging] Radio telescopes

2018-10-25 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
See for example https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/14565 it's even > rendered on the default OSM map. > On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at 17:38, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > > > I am working on rendering man_made=telescopes, starting with > telescope:type=radio. Next will be telescope:

[Tagging] Neighborhood Gateway Signs?

2018-11-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Here in Indonesia it is very common for neighbors to build sign over the main entrance to their neighborhood, with the name of the neighborhood on top and some other info on the two columns supporting the sign. In this example there are two different gateway signs, on the small street to the left

Re: [Tagging] Neighborhood Gateway Signs?

2018-11-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
wrote: > > On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 11:48, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > >> Here in Indonesia it is very common for neighbors to build sign over >> the main entrance to their neighborhood, with the name of the >> neighborhood on top and some other info on the two

Re: [Tagging] Map a divide?

2018-10-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> I do agree that a true ridge line may not point uphill all the time, but > still be a single ridge. > > There is also no mention of that rule in the original approved proposal. > Looking at the history of the article, that rule was added in January 2018, > following a short, well "discussion"

Re: [Tagging] Map a divide?

2018-10-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
That divide is, ipso facto, a ridge line, because water flows downhill > - it is a line that's higher than the basins on either side. It runs > from peak to saddle to peak to saddle (admittedly, the 'peaks' may be > of but little prominence) for the length of the divide. > Agreed. But I'd keep

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-10-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Sounds sensible to me. If JOSM and ID support man_made=tower + tower:type=communication with a preset, it won't be any more work than typing in a single tag. Does this require a proposal process? How does something become officially deprecated? On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 2:59 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick

Re: [Tagging] Map a divide?

2018-10-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Apparently British English uses "watershed" to name the line that divides to drainage basins, though Americans would call that a "divide": I looked up natural=divide on Overdrive Turbo. I didn't find any uses in Europe. In North America there were two places where the tag has been used: the

Re: [Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

2018-10-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
In British English usage, would shop=grocery be appropriate for small shops that sell mainly non-perishable food and groceries? In America we really would never call any shop a “food store” or “food shop.” On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 6:02 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > >

Re: [Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

2018-10-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
In the USA there are shops that sell custom fresh pizzas, but they are uncooked. You take the prepared pizza home and cook it yourself. In the western USA, the chain is named “Papa Murphy’s Take And Bake Pizza” These have generally been tagged as restaurants or fastfood. In this case

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-10-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
" If you combine communications;observation, which would it render as?" It won't render at all, unless an individual renderer adds support for this specific combination On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 8:28 AM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 08:51, marc marc wrote: > >> I agree in

Re: [Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

2018-10-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
for a shop that specializes in selling Mediterranean groceries or Caribbean foods, as found in some big cities. Joseph On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 11:28 AM John Willis wrote: > > On Oct 9, 2018, at 7:50 AM, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > shop=food > > > + cuisine=local/polish.

Re: [Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

2018-10-09 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
pecial cultural interest > > - “markets” in developing countries. > > > On Oct 9, 2018, at 11:56 AM, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > What do you think about the need for a shop=grocery tag for small shops in > developing countries and specialty grocers in cities? > >

Re: [Tagging] Combined waste/recycling bins

2018-10-09 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Re: “convincing the renderer folks to render it“ Not as hard as you think. The folks at OpenStreetMap Carto have just revamped the mapping of recycling and waste bins. If you can get > 1000 uses of a new tag and can think of a good icon, it could get rendered. -Joseph On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 11:32

Re: [Tagging] landuse for government offices ?

2018-10-02 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
to the wiki for everything? So it's a good idea if the tag name is as unambiguous as possible. On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 9:14 PM John Willis wrote: > > > Javbw > > > On Oct 2, 2018, at 8:02 AM, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > > > 90% of the land in some western American S

Re: [Tagging] Default Language Format; language:default or default:language?

2018-10-02 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 8:06 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I’m interested in the way it works. Are there multiple values allowed? Yes; you can use "=fr;nl" for Brussels and "=zh;zh_pinyin" for Hong Kong, because the local communities in those cities have already decided to display both

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Default Language Format

2018-10-02 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
McCann wrote: > On 24/09/18 14:36, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > "The key language:default=* with a 2 or 3 letter ISO language code > > should be tagged on administrative boundary relations, such as > > countries, provinces and aboriginal communities. > > In Ireland,

Re: [Tagging] Topographic Prominence for Peaks

2018-09-28 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
, if there are no good sources for elevation there. On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 3:06 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 at 15:02, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > >> and added a description of how the key saddle of a peak can be found by >> looking at a topo map >>

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a named river bend

2018-09-27 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
not opposed if we can all agree on its use > here. > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 7:54 AM Joseph Eisenberg < > joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> "waterway=" is usually used for features that have to do with linear >> water features; values include

Re: [Tagging] Topographic Prominence for Peaks

2018-09-27 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Fortunately, when you are finding the prominence of a peak, it matters that the peak and saddle elevations are measured from the same baseline. But thanks for the reminder abou the EGN96 standard. I believe this is also what is used on USGS Topo maps and Opentopomap, which are the sources I

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 108, Issue 162

2018-09-29 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Practically, if the ways overlap, it may be hard to render the name labels and interpret the data. I’m imagining a routing app for boaters or paddlers. It could announce the name of each new reach, bend and section, and also warn of hazards: “bridge in 400 meters”, “Rock hazard”, “rapids ahead,

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 108, Issue 162

2018-09-28 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Do canals have named sections? Waterway=section would work for canals too, if there are such a thing as canal reaches or sections or bends On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 5:32 AM Colin Smale wrote: > On 2018-09-28 07:37, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > The discussion about the definition of "reach" is

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 108, Issue 162

2018-09-28 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
rper Bend >> >> I like what we've come up with so far. Any more suggestions? >> >> Dave >> >> On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 5:15 AM Joseph Eisenberg < >> joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Do canals have named sections? >>> &

Re: [Tagging] Default Language Format; language:default or default:language?

2018-09-29 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Any opinions on the order of the tag? Just a couple of people have said that default:language would be preferred to language:default. It will take some time to update the proposal page, so I would like a few more opinions Joseph On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 10:16 AM Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eis

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a named river bend

2018-09-29 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Re: "I would not discard the idea of using some kind of relation for this (type=route is not suitable, or is it?). It is the most flexible way to tag as it allows for overlapping entities and avoids duplication of ways." In theory, it would be great to be able to build up a long river from many

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 108, Issue 162

2018-09-29 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ey will need their own polygon. Maybe we should not try to mix up > "rapids" etc with the naming of sections. > > > On 2018-09-29 14:22, Yves wrote: > > For the rare case a 'section' should have two names, the smallest part can > have it I guess. > Instead o

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

2018-09-29 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Would it be helpful if there were several simpler database primitives for several of the simplest types of relations? I know people have already talked for years about adding a true area object (which now we imitate with closed ways) Could we also have a linear feature made up of ways only? This

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a named river bend

2018-09-29 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Harper Bend > > Pros and cons (subject to the limitations I mentioned)? > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 6:09 AM Joseph Eisenberg < > joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Re: "I would not discard the idea of using some kind of relation for this >> (type=route

Re: [Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

2018-10-10 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Highway=road and building=yes are used when adding features based on satellite imagery. If you know that a shop sells “food”, you can also say if it sells fresh food or nonperishables or prepared food, no? On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 12:42 PM Daniel Koć wrote: > W dniu 11.10.2018 o 05:08, John

[Tagging] Cafe / Coffee shop tags?

2018-10-11 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
There was a question on the Help pages about the right tags for certain cafe features, found also in shops that sell or roast coffee: https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/66279/what-coffee-shop-data-to-add-to-osm ? 1. Tag for a cafe that sells espresso-based drinks: I suggested taht

Re: [Tagging] Cafe / Coffee shop tags?

2018-10-11 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
to double-tag an *amenity=cafe *with craft=*? Would *microroasting=yes* be better as a second tag? Joseph On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 6:00 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Do., 11. Okt. 2018 um 10:19 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < > joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > >> This is s

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

2018-10-10 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
In California, several cities have a community “Tool Library”, a type of lending “library” where you can check out hand tools and power tools for garden or construction projects. I believe the ones in Portland and Berkeley have no fee, and rely on volunteer labor. On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 6:13 AM

Re: [Tagging] landuse for government offices ?

2018-10-01 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Civic_admin is a little too specific, but government is not specific enough. 90% of the land in some western American States will be owned and managed by some level of government; eg National and State forests and grasslands, parks and monuments, military reservations, wildlife preserves, BLM land

Re: [Tagging] Default Language Format; language:default or default:language?

2018-10-01 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
It's not always necessary or possible to interpret the language of a brand name. It's more useful to know the language of names that are based on natural language, such as the names of most streets and natural features. The copyrighted names of restaurants and shops are often entirely invented.

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

2018-10-01 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
You are supposed to be able to get all that information by using a closed way for the boundary of the RV park. Then all the other features are contained within that boundary. On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 12:16 PM Paul Johnson wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 12:13 PM Mateusz Konieczny > wrote: >

Re: [Tagging] Default Language Format; language:default or default:language?

2018-10-01 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> specific feature's name. How will the proposal help? I might have misread > it though. > > [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:default_language > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 11:48 PM Joseph Eisenberg < > joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Any opinions on the order of t

Re: [Tagging] Default Language Format; language:default or default:language?

2018-10-02 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
: > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 11:17, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > >> >> *TL:DR -* the language of a Brand names cannot always be determined (but >> in this case it's English). >> Usualy the most common language in the region will be used for invented >> shop &

Re: [Tagging] Default Language Format; language:default or default:language?

2018-10-02 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > Am Di., 2. Okt. 2018 um 11:40 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < > joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > >> If it’s in Germany, it would be perfectly fine to use name:de=Spazio >> Italian Bistrot, if most local people will be pronouncing it li

Re: [Tagging] Default Language Format; language:default or default:language?

2018-10-02 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
. But it might make the most sense to just use name=* or brand=* without attempting to pick a language. On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 6:04 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Di., 2. Okt. 2018 um 03:17 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < > joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > >> It's not always

Re: [Tagging] Default Language Format; language:default or default:language?

2018-10-03 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
>"in multilingual regions you will typically have a majority and minorities. Aiming at the majority only would effectively result in a single name in most multilingual areas " Sorry, I don't mean "the majority language used in communication" or anything like that, but "the language used for the

Re: [Tagging] landform promontory

2018-10-03 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Where are these features located? I haven't seen anything called a "promontory" in the western USA: we would call these features ridges or cliffs if they are hills or mountains above lower land, or if they are surrounded by water they would be a headland, peninsula, cape, or "point". In OSM,

Re: [Tagging] landform promontory

2018-10-03 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> > >>Where are these features located? > > >Inland. Not near the sea. > >Not all ridges end as a promontory - some have gradual slopes. Not all > promontory are a peak, they may have a line at about the same height > leading away from them. > >They are named as 'point' here but the closest in

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - default:language (changed from language:default)

2018-10-06 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I have changed the order of the new tag to* default:language= *on the Default Language Format proposal page. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Default_Language_Format It was found that the tag language:* =*

[Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

2018-10-06 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The team at OpenStreetMap Carto (the "Standard" map style shown on top at the main openstreetmap.org page) is considering rendering shop=food. This tag has not yet been approved and only has a stub wiki page , but it's usage has climbed over 2k

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Free drinking water by private entities

2018-09-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
cated namespaced tag, such as free_refill:coffee=yes, though that could be an alternative. On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 10:00 AM Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote: > I’d suggest keeping it simple by using existing tags when possible. > > If a cafe or shop gives out free

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed:type vs source:maxspeed // StreetComplete

2018-09-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Kevin Kenny: > > Not all Interstates *ought* to be tagged as motorways. A case in point > is Interstate 93 in Franconia Notch, New Hampshire, which *ought* > to be a trunk (it's a two-lane road with a centre guard rail that was added > long after the initial construction.) > Amazing! I thought

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Free drinking water by private entities

2018-09-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I’d suggest keeping it simple by using existing tags when possible. If a cafe or shop gives out free water for customers, tag the shop or cafe with “drinking_water=customers”. If it’s for anyone, “drinking_water=yes” is currently used. I don’t see a need for a new tag “drinking_water=ask” If

Re: [Tagging] landuse for government offices ?

2018-09-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
It’s not necessary to have a separate landuse area if the government office is in a single building or shop. In that case the overarching “landuse” is still retail or commercial. The new landuse=civic_admin is useful when there are multiple buildings and government offices in a larger area, such

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed:type vs source:maxspeed // StreetComplete

2018-09-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> > I’m encouraged by this: > >”3. removes superfluous country ISO-code. Country boundaries information >is already available in the OSM > database, data users can just use a >(reverse) geocoder to find where a street is. >(I wrote Java library recently that does this offline in

Re: [Tagging] landuse for government offices ?

2018-09-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
20, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > It’s not necessary to have a separate landuse area if the government > office is in a single building or shop. In that case the overarching > “landuse” is still retail or commercial. > > > Do they sell "legislation&

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a building constructed for a gastronomic purposes?

2018-09-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
building=office with landuse=commercial building=school with amenity=school etc And if restaurants are a type of retail, the building type should be a subcategory of retail. On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 5:07 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > 2018-09-24 8:08 GMT+02:00 Joseph Eisenberg :

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a building constructed for a gastronomic purposes?

2018-09-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I’d recommend tagging all retail buildings, including fast foot and restaurants, with building=retail. A building built for fast food can easily be converted to a sit-down, full-service restaurant without any modifications to the building structure. And a restaurant in a storefront building could

Re: [Tagging] Topographic Prominence for Peaks

2018-09-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Right! Especially on my island, New Guinea. That’s why we need to check the height of saddles and peaks “by hand”, or better yet by survey with GPS. OSM is the right place for this data, and some map styles and database users will find it useful to analyze data about mountain areas and peaks.

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Default Language Format

2018-09-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Please see the Proposal page for the new tag, "language:default=" https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Default_Language_Format Description: "Specify the default language format used for names, and recommend use of language-specific name tags. "By making it easier to use

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Topographic Prominence

2018-09-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The tag, "prominence=*" has been in use for a number of years, but the proposal was abandoned before a vote back in 2009. I have revived the proposal and now request your comments and suggestions before bringing it to a vote: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/key:prominence

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Topographic Prominence

2018-09-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The small sub-summits around the caldera of a tall volcano (eg Mt Fuji) are a great example of why prominence=* is useful. I don't think it works call each of those local high points on Mt Fuji's crater a "hill", if they are all at >3000m elevation with steep slopes dropping >1000 meters down to

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