Re: [Tagging] Public transport zones

2013-03-04 Thread Marc Gemis
Why is zone ambiguous on a bus_stop ? Or any more ambiguous than name ? The latter is also used for so many different things. I see no need to make new tags for each new zone concept. This is only needed when 1 item can belong to different types of zones. When you need 2 different zones for

Re: [Tagging] Public transport zones

2013-03-05 Thread Marc Gemis
Let me try to clarify this. In case there are 2 companies stopping at a particular station, they both might have different properties for that stop: e.g. the names, reference numbers and zones. So the zone might depend on the company (both bus transportation), not on the form of transportation

[Tagging] historic=vicarage

2013-08-01 Thread Marc Gemis
I'm currently mapping the protected monuments in Belgium. One of the buildings you encounter are vicarages. I looked at taginfo, but couldn't find an appropriate tag. What should I use ? historic = vicarage or parsonage or rectory or presbytery ? It's for roman-catholic pastors in case that

[Tagging] historic=vicarage -- and other historic building types

2013-08-02 Thread Marc Gemis
it is more specific than Re: Contents of Tagging digest... Today's Topics: 1. historic=vicarage (Marc Gemis) 2. Re: historic=vicarage (John Sturdy) 3. Re: historic=vicarage (Ren? Kirchhoff) -- Message: 1 Date

Re: [Tagging] Ace Hardware

2013-09-04 Thread Marc Gemis
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 2:00 PM, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: It's also nice to keep things a bit simple in OSM, because all records in the database need correct input and maintenance. I'm already seeing a lot of confusion on petrol stations. Where I just want to find the nearest

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-08 Thread Marc Gemis
I tagged noexit=yes on the ways. Why ? If I remember correctly some more experienced mapper told me it was ok to do so. And perhaps I read the wiki page before June 28, 2011, when there was nothing mentioned about way or node. You cannot assume each mapper reads all wiki pages every week or

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-08 Thread Marc Gemis
as a connection (because of oversize of rendered ways). But this could be determined by preprocessing also. Georg On 2014-04-08 13:33, Marc Gemis wrote : I tagged noexit=yes on the ways. Why ? If I remember correctly some more experienced mapper told me it was ok to do so. And perhaps I

Re: [Tagging] Turn lane tagging

2014-05-19 Thread Marc Gemis
should have been: big thank you On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 5:22 AM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: I use the style https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Styles/Lane_and_Road_Attributes for the same project as you. It's very powerful and I think the author deserves a big think you

Re: [Tagging] Turn lane tagging

2014-05-19 Thread Marc Gemis
I use the style https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Styles/Lane_and_Road_Attributes for the same project as you. It's very powerful and I think the author deserves a big think you. regards m On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: None of the area I am in has

Re: [Tagging] editing polygons in JOSM

2014-05-27 Thread Marc Gemis
Since you were also looking for more appropriate places to ask those questions: The help-website: http://help.openstreetmap.org or the editors forum : http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=54 regards On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Georg Feddern o...@bavarianmallet.dewrote: Am

Re: [Tagging] Signal-controlled roundabouts

2014-06-17 Thread Marc Gemis
There is a similar situation near Geel, Belgium. First they constructed several roundabouts along the R14, then they turned them back to regular crossings Only the roundabout with the N19 is kept at the moment, but there they placed traffic signals (http://osm.org/go/0ErQgoDk--?m=relation=1263541

Re: [Tagging] FYI: Automatic detection of left-hand/right-hand traffic in JOSM style Lane and road attributes

2014-07-04 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: This is a great style! I tagged a big part of my citys turn lanes just because this style exists. +1 I'm doing the same in Belgium. It's great to see this map

Re: [Tagging] Track grades

2014-07-08 Thread Marc Gemis
Hello Jesse, welcome to this list. This is indeed the right list to post this type of questions. However, this question has popped up every few months the past year and so far so consensus has been reached. You can always search the tagging archive and you'll find threads such as

Re: [Tagging] tree shrines

2014-07-10 Thread Marc Gemis
I think the OP meant something like this: http://xian.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2014/20140608-Mol-Geel-vanaf-Sas-VI/i-zmPkm4P/A or this http://xian.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2014/20140528-Rumst/i-KwGzNXX/A regards m On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 10:34 PM, Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com wrote: What

Re: [Tagging] Relations are not categories excepted for type=network ?

2014-07-15 Thread Marc Gemis
In Belgium and The Netherlands a network-relation is used to group together all nodes and routes of a walking network. This avoids that we have to repeat the name, operator, etc. on each route (signposted path between 2 nodes) and the nodes. m. On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Pieren

Re: [Tagging] Relations are not categories excepted for type=network ?

2014-07-16 Thread Marc Gemis
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: and would like to add that relations like these are a problem when you try to download a small bounding box, and one of those nodes gets in the way, and now you have to download all the nodes in that relation. I don't

Re: [Tagging] Relations are not categories excepted for type=network ?

2014-07-16 Thread Marc Gemis
When the name, operator,etc. has to be moved down to the routes and nodes, we have prefix all those tags with e.g. network. So we get network:name, network:operator on each node and route, right ? Please note the network relations are not used to group all routes and nodes in a country or

Re: [Tagging] Relations are not categories excepted for type=network ?

2014-07-16 Thread Marc Gemis
network relations. How would you tag the network names for them ? regards m On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: When the name, operator,etc. has to be moved down to the routes and nodes, we have prefix all those tags with e.g. network. So we get network:name

Re: [Tagging] Relations are not categories excepted for type=network ?

2014-07-16 Thread Marc Gemis
, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: Just thought of this: since a node can belong to multiple networks (cycling, walking, equestrian), we need a tagging scheme for the network name that takes this into account. So something like : network:rcn:name, network:rwn:name and network:ren:name

Re: [Tagging] Relations are not categories excepted for type=network ?

2014-07-16 Thread Marc Gemis
16, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: right now the nodes are not placed in the route relation. Although some older relations might contain them. Then you admit it is possible to keep the nodes

Re: [Tagging] Relations are not categories excepted for type=network ?

2014-07-16 Thread Marc Gemis
a numbered node network consists of 2 things: the nodes, which have numbers and the routes between the nodes. Those routes are signposted between the nodes. Currently there are route relations for the routes between the nodes and network relations with the nodes and the routes. Yes, one could see

Re: [Tagging] Relations are not categories excepted for type=network ?

2014-07-16 Thread Marc Gemis
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: your case, you don't have a predefined list of (master) routes but only a list of path segments. What is a list of paths other than a route ? I totally agree with you that we could represent it without network relation, but

Re: [Tagging] Relations are not categories excepted for type=network ?

2014-07-16 Thread Marc Gemis
There is still problem with the connection routes. That are routes whose start and endpoint belong to different networks. Right now they are placed in both network relations and given the role 'connection' in the network relation. Duplicating them in order to give them 2 different network names,

Re: [Tagging] Relations are not categories excepted for type=network ?

2014-07-16 Thread Marc Gemis
does not represent the way we do things, please feel free to update the wiki. *From:* Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com *Sent:* Wednesday, July 16, 2014 9:15 PM *To:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools tagging@openstreetmap.org *Subject:* Re: [Tagging] Relations are not categories

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-31 Thread Marc Gemis
Didn't JOSM include landuse=religion in the latest version ? On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 31/lug/2014 um 06:24 schrieb Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at: Therefore, I suggest removing landuse=religion from the wiki, or at least

Re: [Tagging] Climbing access path

2014-08-07 Thread Marc Gemis
Wouldn't it be better to use the sac_scale [1] instead of artificially limiting it to customers ? regards m [1 ]http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:sac_scale On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 9:51 AM, k4r573n k4r5...@googlemail.com wrote: I would like to distinguish between hiking paths and

Re: [Tagging] RENDER

2014-08-20 Thread Marc Gemis
for tagging !!! Except Marc who suggests: On 2014-08-15 18:58, Marc Gemis wrote : maybe it should be even easier for people to play with overpass turbo and css. then you get the same effect Interesting, Marc. Could you please elaborate, explain how to use overpass and css and show the resulting

Re: [Tagging] RENDER

2014-08-20 Thread Marc Gemis
Try this query http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/4Fc Blue for miniature golf, red for dog parks. (only nodes and areas) regards m On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: With overpass you can find all objects that have certain tags, e.g. http://overpass-turbo.eu/s

Re: [Tagging] RENDER

2014-08-20 Thread Marc Gemis
Also, from one of the talks on SOTM-EU 2014 [1], I learned that Mapnik, does not allow one to use a value from the database as color in the rendering. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=850JJHQKp_s On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote: Okay, let me

Re: [Tagging] Tag for livestocks pens

2014-09-08 Thread Marc Gemis
FYI, according to taginfo (http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/landuse) landuse is already used 226 432 times on a node. So not everybody thinks it is incompatible with nodes. regards m On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Thanks for

Re: [Tagging] tagging for graves?

2014-10-01 Thread Marc Gemis
There is a little bit more information http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Historical_Objects/Karteneigenschaften, which belongs to the geschichtskarte-map. I believe in their JOSM preset there is also a section on graves. regards m On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Brad Neuhauser

Re: [Tagging] Retag: craft=sweep = craft=chimney_sweep

2014-10-03 Thread Marc Gemis
According to http://www.goudengids.be/schoorsteenvegers/ there are still 396 of them in Belgium. I think it's even required to let the chimney of your house cleaned for insurance purposes. Many people still use wood or pellets to (partially) heat their house. Several crafts men (carpenters, roof

Re: [Tagging] Vandalis on access page

2014-10-07 Thread Marc Gemis
more details and requirements for the correct use of the can be found on this wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle%3Duse_sidepath regards m On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Hubert sg.fo...@gmx.de wrote: Hey, could someone remind me on how bicycle=use_sidepath is

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - relation type=person

2014-10-15 Thread Marc Gemis
I was thinking the same until I though about all those war cemeteries of WO I and WO II. You do not necessarily know where your relative is buried on such a cemetery. But this could be handled with a simple inscription tag, not need for a relation. On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Martin Vonwald

Re: [Tagging] natural=bay as nodes are evil

2014-10-27 Thread Marc Gemis
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Ilpo Järvinen ilpo.jarvi...@helsinki.fi wrote: Besides, we really need to deal with object that have fuzzy borders already, e.g., some of the natural=wetland object come to my mind as an example. I quickly browsed through the related pages and discussions, for

Re: [Tagging] what does maxheight=none mean?

2014-10-29 Thread Marc Gemis
why would we treat maxheight different from maxspeed ? I thought the consensus for maxspeed was to tag the maxspeed explicitly and the reason in source:maxspeed So why can't we fill in the default value for unsigned bridges explicitly , so e.g. maxheight=4 and add

Re: [Tagging] what does maxheight=none mean?

2014-10-29 Thread Marc Gemis
In Belgium the maximum height for a vehicle is 4m (on all roads, whether there is a bridge or not). So without sign a bridge should allow vehicles under the maximum height to pass. There are exceptions, which requires a special permit (pubic transport). Then the maximum height is 4.4m meters. I

Re: [Tagging] natural=bay as nodes are evil

2014-10-30 Thread Marc Gemis
Could we try an example to see whether mappers agree on bay areas ? could you draw the Gulf of Biscay on a map ? This guy did it : http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-9_Y031ZiZQ/THowBMn81dI/Ci8/inSvDDa1DC4/s1600/Golf+van+Biskaje.jpg I might have extended it a bit further to the west on the

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Street cabinet - Voting

2014-11-01 Thread Marc Gemis
I wouldn't touch the page until the voting is over. One can always add new values when the tag is in use and document them when needed. New building types are also added all the time. No need to document it right away. just my .5 cents m On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 11:05 PM, François Lacombe

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-11-06 Thread Marc Gemis
What about buildings of public transport companies (bus, train, airplane) that are owned and operated by the government. I assume they should be added to the civic part ? I know more and more countries are turning those companies into privately owned, but there are probably countries where this

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-11-06 Thread Marc Gemis
administers the service) Would probably be similarly tagged. Javbw On Nov 7, 2014, at 3:32 PM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: What about buildings of public transport companies (bus, train, airplane) that are owned and operated by the government. I assume they should be added

Re: [Tagging] semantic issue with genus in the wiki, wetland, plant nursery, ...

2014-12-01 Thread Marc Gemis
I'm interested in this topic in order to be able to map flowerbeds in a rose garden. Besides the problem with the genus/species/taxon tagging, I also need to be able to properly tag the flowerbeds themselves. There seems to be quite some variants for that as well. So I hope the outcome of this

Re: [Tagging] access in the wiki

2014-12-02 Thread Marc Gemis
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: - public_utility (this was referred to as public administration in my original mail, but has now been corrected after I found the actual legal text [1]). these include: public bodies / statutory corporations and

Re: [Tagging] Combining gas stations convenience stores

2014-12-05 Thread Marc Gemis
You could also put the address information on the building and place the two POIs inside it. At least Nominatim supports this. There is no reason why another program cannot find the surrounding building. Of course this is not as easy as taking it from the node. Since this is a rather recent

Re: [Tagging] Distinction between amenity=restaurant and fast_food

2014-12-10 Thread Marc Gemis
I struggle with this issue as well. In Belgium we have a lot of tavernes (taverns) or brasseries (similar, but the word is translated from French in this case). The are very restaurant like, seated-service, quality food. Taverns also serve ice creams, sweet pancakes etc outside lunch hours.

Re: [Tagging] Distinction between amenity=restaurant and fast_food

2014-12-11 Thread Marc Gemis
(Belgium) It all depends on licenses. You need a special license to sell alcoholic-drinks without food. The traditional restaurants are only allowed to sell drinks with food. In case they also sells drinks without meals they are often called Cafe-Restaurant or Restaurant-Taverne. The latter sounds

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Obligatory vs. optional cycletracks)

2014-12-22 Thread Marc Gemis
In Belgium the cyclist always have to use the cycleway, except - the path is in bad condition (glass, snow, holes, ...) - Children on small bikes - groups of cyclists. - for some special turns (see page 10 of

Re: [Tagging] Date of survey

2014-12-22 Thread Marc Gemis
I always use the tag combination source=survey ; survey:date=year-month-day as described on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:survey:date I place this on the changeset m. On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 8:03 PM, jgpacker john.pack...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I saw that a user recently added a

Re: [Tagging] Date of survey

2014-12-22 Thread Marc Gemis
Which would not help in my case, as I work for several days on the same survey. m On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 8:56 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: On 12/22/2014 08:28 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: I always use the tag combination source=survey ; survey:date=year-month-day as described

Re: [Tagging] Date of survey

2014-12-23 Thread Marc Gemis
I use the exact date to find back my notes, pictures and traces when somebody has questions afterwards. The date is probably useless for anybody else. regards m On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Georg Feddern o...@bavarianmallet.de wrote: Am 23.12.2014 um 05:16 schrieb Marc Gemis: Which

Re: [Tagging] Date of survey

2014-12-23 Thread Marc Gemis
Since I put the date on the changeset, I don't have that issue. But if the object history works fine for you, please continue so. regards m On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: My issue with putting the source=* is that different tags are added at different

Re: [Tagging] Date of survey

2014-12-23 Thread Marc Gemis
at 3:48 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 23/12/2014 04:16, Marc Gemis wrote: Which would not help in my case, as I work for several days on the same survey. +1, although I'm not understanding the point of this tag at all. What does it add that isn't already available via

Re: [Tagging] DE:Bicycle/Radverkehrsanlagen kartieren

2014-12-25 Thread Marc Gemis
I never understood the cycleway=opposite. I would really need a picture of a situation where you need it. IMHO you do not have to use this tag on a oneway street where cyclists can drive in both directions, but on their own side. So I think your requirement to always add it to a oneway street

Re: [Tagging] DE:Bicycle/Radverkehrsanlagen kartieren

2014-12-25 Thread Marc Gemis
Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote: cycleway=opposite is useful for marking that cyclists may drive in both direction, \ but there is no marked contraflow lane (for streets with contraflow lane there is cycleway=opposite_lane tag). 2014-12-25 20:36 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com: I

Re: [Tagging] DE:Bicycle/Radverkehrsanlagen kartieren

2014-12-25 Thread Marc Gemis
It's the last case of Cars in one direction, cycling in both. I don't see what the value of cycleway=opposite is, when there is already a oneway:bicycle=no. Of course cyclists while drive in the opposite direction then and on the right side of the street for them. There is no cycleway so why

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 63, Issue 76

2014-12-26 Thread Marc Gemis
: Message: 1 Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 20:51:37 +0100 From: Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] DE:Bicycle/Radverkehrsanlagen kartieren Message-ID: CAJKJX-RwE=UBJvSqh++6fVoRbvjJmnYxXTANBMvw9hW2=t8

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 63, Issue 77

2014-12-26 Thread Marc Gemis
Dec 2014 09:38:40 +0100 From: Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com I never added the opposite tag in my neighborhood. regards m On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 2:39 AM, Ulrich Lamm ulamm.b...@t-online.de wrote: Now I've understood you, and I think I agree with you: This cycleway=opposite

Re: [Tagging] dinosaur park

2014-12-27 Thread Marc Gemis
When you look at the discussion page for museum [1], you might notice that first there was subject, but most museum themes are now mapped with museum=xxx Anyway, I would not introduce a new toplevel tag for this, but add key-value pairs to further specify museum. I'm not sure about leisure=park

Re: [Tagging] question: best practices for micromapping ped areas and footpaths?

2014-12-29 Thread Marc Gemis
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 5:27 AM, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: I mapped the open sections as highway=pedestrian+area=yes, while I traced the covered walkways (that connect the bus shelters) and tagged it as building=roof highway=footway For me this means that you walk on the roof. You should

Re: [Tagging] question: best practices for micromapping ped areas and footpaths?

2014-12-30 Thread Marc Gemis
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 9:40 AM, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: make the entire area highway=pedestrian and have the building=roof are on a layer above it? I would go for this option. You could go for covered=xxx as well, as Hubert indicated BTW, highway=pedestrian+area=yes does not play nice

Re: [Tagging] Tagging private property

2015-01-02 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Megha Shrestha meghashrest...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the suggestion. I think I got the answer. The unused land is the land scheduled for construction purpose. Is this suitable to use landuse = residential for such property?? then the landuse is either

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

2015-01-02 Thread Marc Gemis
I don't agree that place_of_worship requires a building. E.g. the Lourdes grotto or perhaps modern versions of Stonehenge or ... In Christian religion there are several places with many small shrines, but the whole is a place of worship (sorry don't know the English word). The wiki page [1]

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

2015-01-02 Thread Marc Gemis
+1, I made the same mistake On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Dave Swarthout daveswarth...@gmail.com wrote: Ooops, I just re-read your post. I think I understand now. On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 10:38 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 7:17 AM, Matthijs

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-22 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 12:59 PM, althio althio althio.fo...@gmail.com wrote: I even find the second example more difficult to visualize. It's just worse than the first in every respect. From a mapper's point of view My little +1 for key:subkey=* New people don't know how to add new

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-15 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Michał Brzozowski www.ha...@gmail.com wrote: Some people in Poland (the ones who never browse community forums) maniacally tag every dirt road as highway=track, even if it should be residential+unpaved (Like short named streets at suburbs) so how would this

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-15 Thread Marc Gemis
By forced rules: you mean a committee that decides what gets mapped and how ? So when I want to map something now, I have to file a request to the committee to start looking for a new tag. And if they like the request they come back within a few months with a proposal. And this committee is

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-15 Thread Marc Gemis
that displays the difference between a paved residential road, unpaved and track? I know this has been discussed before. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 8:39 PM, Michał Brzozowski www.ha...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:30 PM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe it's way too easy

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-16 Thread Marc Gemis
So what is the solution ? amenity=non_drinking_water ? It seems that amenity=drinking_water is cut into stone and we will never be able to change this tag, although it obviously blocks more general tagging scheme for water sources. regards m. On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Pieren

Re: [Tagging] Overhead signs (Überkopfwegweiser)

2015-01-16 Thread Marc Gemis
do you know the :lanes suffix ? See e.g. the last example on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:destination and combine this with turn:lanes for the arrows regards m On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Andreas Labres l...@lab.at wrote: Hello, I'd like to suggest an idea to map overhead

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-14 Thread Marc Gemis
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 12:45 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: I appreciate you concerns. They should have been raised in the commenting period of the proposal rather than the voting period that is coming to a close. -1. Why would it be too late ? It is not because a small group of

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-22 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 12:22 AM, Никита acr...@gmail.com wrote: we don't need to teach every person how to parse japanese from cuisine=mexican;japanese using f#$% regexes In my code editor I can search for complete word by ticking a checkbox, how simple is that ? It will not match

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-21 Thread Marc Gemis
Please calm down. And do not insult other people. Java has regular expressions as well [1], I know they are not for the every day user, but this problem also holds for OR, AND. There are a lot of people that do not understand logical expressions. Furthermore, many word editors allow to search for

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-21 Thread Marc Gemis
Please snip the message to which you are replying to reduce it to the minimum required. The problem might be that some mail programs (such a gmail), just reduce the included message to a button with 3 dots. So, one might not be aware that there are hundreds of lines under it. regards m.

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-22 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:49 PM, althio althio.fo...@gmail.com wrote: New people can have problems or make mistakes and then experienced users can help and point to recommended tagging or explain good practices . Not everybody reaches out to community for help. Probably many just stop

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - key:waste_collection

2015-02-20 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/02/2015 9:59 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2015-02-18 23:09 GMT+01:00 Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/waste_collection Isn't there a lot of overlap with

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of associatedStreet-relations

2015-01-24 Thread Marc Gemis
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 1:17 AM, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote: and more powerful (preparing a housenumber survey by armchair-mapping buildings and associatedStreet). My experience is that it is very hard to place every house in the right relation before you know the actual

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-23 Thread Marc Gemis
On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 6:40 AM, Никита acr...@gmail.com wrote: Well I don't see how that becomes any easier by moving the values over to the keys. color:green!=* in overpass should return values without information about green color or color:green=no will return objects without green color

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a cistern?

2015-02-02 Thread Marc Gemis
On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:16 PM, John Willis jo...@mac.com wrote: Speaking of cisterns, Does this notion of cistern are reservoirs cover fire cisterns? I think in this case you could use emergency=water_tank [1] regards m [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency%3Dwater_tank

Re: [Tagging] Tag destination vs. relation destination_sign

2015-01-10 Thread Marc Gemis
I've asked this question several months ago on the help-website [1]. When should I use destination and when the relation? Until now I did not get any answer. Only recently I noticed the sentence you are referring to. From then on, I followed this advice. So I'm interested to learn which is the

Re: [Tagging] Tag destination vs. relation destination_sign

2015-01-10 Thread Marc Gemis
. If this is correct, the examples with the yellow and white signposts on the wiki page are confusing (tagging a motorway_link makes no sense here), and I would recommand to remove these three examples. Lukas Sommer 2015-01-10 17:40 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com: I've asked

Re: [Tagging] Nominatim mysteries

2015-02-11 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 4:24 AM, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: That's adding another problem: where? If I look at the fuzzy statement (comment: why? nobody has told us anything - Discussion) that could be the discussion page, but if I look at it ... The Nominatim FAQ [1]

Re: [Tagging] Accepted or rejected?

2015-03-16 Thread Marc Gemis
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: Approval and rejection at the moment are only tagging group indicators.. the best 'indicator' is that it is rendered. And that is not a function of JOSM nor iD .. but the renderers .. there are a few of them .. if they all

Re: [Tagging] Accepted or rejected?

2015-03-17 Thread Marc Gemis
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: inscription note (not rendered .. for use by mappers to make notes to other mappers ? thus not required to be rendered?) Visible in a popup in geschichtskarten for historical items. But you were talking about all

Re: [Tagging] Accepted or rejected?

2015-03-17 Thread Marc Gemis
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 9:17 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: +1 on *...8 or more **unanimous approval votes or 10 or more total votes with more than 74 % approval...**.* This is a ridiculous low number when there are +2.000.000 accounts and +3300 active mappers yesterday. But I

Re: [Tagging] Historic tower

2015-03-21 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 11:54 PM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: But perhaps it would be more universal to have built_date=1200 AD I always thought start_date was used for that. regards m ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Is what we are doing useful? (OSM.org map case)

2015-03-22 Thread Marc Gemis
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 1:42 AM, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I think that one good way to promote OSM is to teach the general public to make references to the main Map http://www.openstreetmap.org. André, This type of discussion does not belong on the tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Haul Channel

2015-03-09 Thread Marc Gemis
Hallo Sam, It's not clear to me which object you are tagging: the highway (osm-way) or an area or a node where the frequency is mentioned on a sign or ... regards m On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 5:07 AM, Sam Dyck samueld...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings This is an RFC for my proposal, which can be

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Haul Channel

2015-03-10 Thread Marc Gemis
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: It's not clear to me which object you are tagging: the highway (osm-way) or an area or a node where the frequency is mentioned on a sign or ... The proposal says tagging a way .. so along the road. missed that, sorry.

Re: [Tagging] Camp Ground Categories - Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-25 Thread Marc Gemis
On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 9:43 AM, David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net wrote: Basic = nothing other than an area to pitch a tent or park a vehicle. Standard = Basic + toilets and water Serviced = Standard + shower + power Fully_Serviced = Serviced + camp kitchen + Laundry Deluxe =

Re: [Tagging] Wiki page Vehicle types

2015-03-31 Thread Marc Gemis
According to the history from September 2007 New page: ==Proposal== A standard list of abbreviations for vehicle types, to be used in any tagging schemes whose value changes depending on the vehicle used to visit them ==Examples== * access:.. +1 on deleting it regards On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at

Re: [Tagging] Tagging method of amenities at camp_sites

2015-03-27 Thread Marc Gemis
OK, I did not know that ! Is this is-in-polygon test something that is already being done ? Examples ? Nominatim that adds the address of the building to the POI is an example of a similar test / algorithm. Sorry, don't know any other examples. But it just makes sense that you do not have

Re: [Tagging] Tagging method of amenities at camp_sites

2015-03-27 Thread Marc Gemis
Overpass understands this. When I look for all toilets in the Zoo Antwerpen with [1], I only find toilets in that Zoo regards m [1] http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/8qL On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I did not know that ! Is this is-in-polygon test

Re: [Tagging] Tagging method of amenities at camp_sites

2015-03-27 Thread Marc Gemis
Please remember It is not necessary or appropriate to use a relation when all the elements contained within the boundary of the site belong to the site, and no elements beyond that boundary do belong. In this simple case simply tag the perimeter with all the appropriate tags. Users of the

Re: [Tagging] Tagging method of amenities at camp_sites

2015-03-27 Thread Marc Gemis
Apply 3 in case all amenities fall in 1 area. Apply 4 in case they are in separate areas. Use 1 only in a first iteration when no more details are known. don't like 2 at all :-) I think camp sites are no different that large factories, schools, universities etc. in this respect. regards m On

Re: [Tagging] Tagging method of amenities at camp_sites

2015-03-27 Thread Marc Gemis
:33 AM Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: Overpass understands this. When I look for all toilets in the Zoo Antwerpen with [1], I only find toilets in that Zoo regards m [1] http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/8qL On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I

Re: [Tagging] How does an end user use camp site data ?

2015-03-28 Thread Marc Gemis
On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 4:54 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: I might use OSM to identify camping sites nearby, but would never stop there. The next step is a web search. Thus the website= link is the most important tag, after camp_site. +1, if you want to go to a campsite in

Re: [Tagging] Wiki vote threshold

2015-03-02 Thread Marc Gemis
On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 2:46 AM, David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net wrote: Its interesting to note that most 'no' were concerned it is a tourism only tag despite that issue being discussed (and resolved ??) on this list. For me this shows that the current process for tag definition might

Re: [Tagging] Wiki vote threshold

2015-03-03 Thread Marc Gemis
On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Jan van Bekkum jan.vanbek...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it is good to leave tags in a floating state for a long time as it will prevent people from starting to use them. It isn't good either to start using a tag as a kind of prototype and offer it for voting

Re: [Tagging] Wiki vote threshold

2015-03-04 Thread Marc Gemis
I guess I am suggesting there are quite a lot, technically, under way. I'd rather see them either make it the 'official' list or be rejected. After, say, 1 year in any one status, move them to status ... 'Expired', 'Resting', 'Paused ' or ? They could later be 'resuscitated' to some

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - key:waste_collection

2015-02-21 Thread Marc Gemis
, but maybe you can come up with something better. On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: On 22/02/2015 9:55 AM, Marc Gemis wrote: I see no need to replace the recycling scheme, sorry. Ok ... do you see a need to have a key waste_collection= at all

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