[Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

2014-07-10 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
There are some values of shop key that seem to be synonymous with other tags and I want to confirm whatever it is true. Unless mentioned otherwise all mentioned tags are values of key shop, numeric values is occurrence count according to taginfo. Before - are values that IMHO should be replaced by

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

2014-07-10 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Although since the rules are for josm validation so will be checked by a human, I guess that's low-risk right? I thought about JOSM validator rule with fix button, so it would not be safe to assume that it will be carefully checked (the same type of rule as [natural=marsh] to [natural=wetland,

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

2014-07-10 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
A deli and a delicatessen are not the same thing. I'd say a delicatessen is a cuisine of restaurant, and a deli is a type of shop. Is it really applying to objects with shop=delicatessen? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

[Tagging] Marking dual carriageways

2014-07-10 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
I am thinking about marking tagging roads with separate carriageways. I want to create map with oneway roads, but in OSM data roads with separate carriageways that are not oneway are frequently represented as separate ways, both tagged as oneway. Adding tag that that would describe way as part of

Re: [Tagging] Marking dual carriageways

2014-07-10 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
I did manage to do it (reasonably accurately) by algorithm for the UK, but it was a bit of a pain. Can you share it? Currently I have absolutely no idea how to solve case of link type roads that are not really links ( cases like https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/182138211 ).

Re: [Tagging] Marking dual carriageways

2014-07-10 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
carriageway is one-way, and also that each carriageway is one-way. How can a given carriageway be both one-way and not one-way at the same time? On July 10, 2014 5:20:16 AM CDT, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote: I am thinking about marking tagging roads with separate

[Tagging] Problem with access=designated

2014-07-13 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
According to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Dofficial access=designated often includes ways that have no legal dedication like e.g. recommended routes of a local bicycle club Is it OK to use this tag in situations like this? It would make access=designated nearly meaningless and

Re: [Tagging] Marking dual carriageways

2014-07-17 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
levels? On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote: Road itself is not oneway as it has two one-way carriageways in opposite directions. Carriageways are mapped in OSM as separate one-way ways. 2014-07-10 21:32 GMT+02:00 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

2014-07-17 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Please do not mass modify tags of objects, especially those where the locals have told you that they're meaningful. I prefer to avoid step with irritated locals, that is why I am asking here before doing anything. ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Townhouse

2014-07-21 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
If you're drawing buildings, whether a house is terraced or not should be apparent from the geometry without any special tagging. It is obvious for humans, but not for software that will process data. ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] sport=horse_racing unnecessary sport=equestrian

2014-07-24 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Maybe [sport=equestrian; equestrian=racing] would be better? 2014-07-24 11:52 GMT+02:00 Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de: horse racing is a very different animal (pun intended) to e.g 3 day eventing, country point-to-points, gymkhanas, etc. But do you plan to tag those with

[Tagging] About new landuses and superiority of cascading tag schemes

2014-07-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
I propose to reduce inventing new landuses and start making subcategories whenewer possible. Recently I encountered landuse=plant_nursery, landuse=salt_pond, landuse=greenhouse_horticulture and landuse=mine. I think that all of them are overly specific and should be tagged as subcategories of

Re: [Tagging] About new landuses and superiority of cascading tag schemes

2014-07-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
In most cases I would go for retail for plant nurseries, they are generally places that you go to buy plants for the garden. There are few that do not sell to the public. Phil (trigpoint) Yes, I also tag part accessible to customers as a shop, with landuse=retail. Sometimes there is also

Re: [Tagging] About new landuses and superiority of cascading tag schemes

2014-07-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-07-25 16:28 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: salt_ponds could also be considered a subtype of farmland (maybe depends on the case/scale). Why farmland? For me it seems clearly industrial process, certainly unrelated to growing plants. It is not like salt ponds are

Re: [Tagging] About new landuses and superiority of cascading tag schemes

2014-07-26 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
they are harvested though, also olive groves ,for example, aren't ploughed. In case of small manual production, how would that qualify for industrial? Use your search engine and look for images about salt farming and you'll find lot of small scale instances as well I always associated

Re: [Tagging] About new landuses and superiority of cascading tag schemes

2014-07-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
But what if we separate the pool from the landuse? make it a water feature (because it is usually briney seawater at first), and place it in the landuse the tagger feels is appropriate? Industrial for a large plant, a farm field (or comemrical?) for a little one? In situation like this (both

Re: [Tagging] About new landuses and superiority of cascading tag schemes

2014-07-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Landuse doesn't seem to fit very well when we have these (general) shop tags. Yes, I am using also shop tag. But sometimes area is so large that it deserves its own landuse. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] About new landuses and superiority of cascading tag schemes

2014-07-28 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-07-28 1:10 GMT+02:00 John Willis jo...@mac.com: How do you map a building's land w/o a landuse area then? Most every building has some kind of space around it beyond its foundation, especially if it is designed for car traffic over foot traffic - parking lots, etc. It is inside general

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

2014-07-30 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
To summarize: shop=fish, shop=fishmonger and shop=seafood are not synonyms as fish may also apply to pet fish and seafood is not covering freshwater fish shop=winery, shop=wine (shop=wine is a wine seller, where shop=winery is a winer maker selling his own production) shop=delicatessen, shop=deli

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-31 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
-1 2014-07-31 11:47 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Am 31/lug/2014 um 06:24 schrieb Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at: Therefore, I suggest removing landuse=religion from the wiki, or at least to mark it as nonsensical. +1, Martin

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-08-01 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-01 12:36 GMT+02:00 Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at: On 31.07.2014 11:54, Marc Gemis wrote: Didn't JOSM include landuse=religion in the latest version ? An editor bug sounds like a good explanation for the occurencies of that erroneous tag in the database. a) It is a really recent

Re: [Tagging] bridge=humpback ?

2014-08-12 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-11 18:28 GMT+02:00 Christopher Hoess cahoess@gmail.c caho...@gmail.com As the author of the last big redesign, I'm having trouble understanding some of these criticisms and would appreciate it if people would draw out the critique a bit so I can try to improve things. Some people

Re: [Tagging] Bitcoin: Distinction of purchase through website and cash register/Point of sale

2014-08-12 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-12 22:54 GMT+02:00 Markus Lindholm markus.lindh...@gmail.com: On 12 August 2014 20:55, Anita Andersson cc0c...@gmx.com wrote: In Sweden we got an electronics chain called Webhallen who accept Bitcoin as payment through their website and allows the customer to pick up the goods

[Tagging] Mapping cave tunnels passable by human

2014-08-13 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
I added to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cave#Tagging_in_OSM how these may be mapped (tunnels that are available for humans but closed for typical tourists may be mapped as highway=path with tunnel=yes and access=private, and routes available for tourists as highway=footway (highway=steps)

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

2014-08-14 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: On 30.07.2014 20:42, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: There were no objections to following changes: shop=jewellery (139) - shop=jewelry (13299, documented) Actually, we discussed a suggestion to change this in the other direction while this thread was running

Re: [Tagging] Mapping cave tunnels passable by human

2014-08-14 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-14 12:31 GMT+02:00 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com: 2014-08-14 12:25 GMT+02:00 André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com: On 2014-08-14 11:08, Janko Mihelić wrote : Well first, tunnel=yes is obviously wrong. We need to replace this with cave=yes. Other than that, I have no

Re: [Tagging] Mapping cave tunnels passable by human

2014-08-14 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Sorry, it was supposed to be using highway as key also for private roads. 2014-08-14 12:40 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com: 2014-08-14 12:31 GMT+02:00 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com: 2014-08-14 12:25 GMT+02:00 André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com: On 2014-08-14

Re: [Tagging] Mapping cave tunnels passable by human

2014-08-14 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-14 13:01 GMT+02:00 Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at: Given that you want to discuss wiki changes, you should start the discussion before you actually do the changes. You should also refer to this mailing list thread in the comment of your wiki change, or in the talk page. I received

Re: [Tagging] Mapping cave tunnels passable by human

2014-08-14 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-14 13:35 GMT+02:00 John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com: One question. How would people map a cave? As far as I know, GPSes don't really work underground, and obviously there is no sattelite imagery for them. I imagine that's why there is no scheme right now. 2D Public Domain map,

Re: [Tagging] Mapping cave tunnels passable by human

2014-08-14 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-14 15:56 GMT+02:00 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: Plus, our mapping scheme is limited in its ability to record three-dimensional spaces. I don't know how we would map this is one continuous passage, but with a deep pit in the center, so you will need special equipment to bridge

Re: [Tagging] Mapping cave tunnels passable by human

2014-08-14 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-14 15:47 GMT+02:00 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: The reason renderers don't render it is invalid because of one of the oldest rules in OSM: don't tag for the renderer. This would be applicable after defining tunnels as man made (in case that somebody is using this tag anyway because

Re: [Tagging] Mapping cave tunnels passable by human

2014-08-14 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-14 17:49 GMT+02:00 John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com: Forget routing in caves. There's no GPS. And those who get lost without routing apps will get lost in a cave anyway. +1 +1 But as always there are edge cases - for example it may be useful for routing during preparing a trip.

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-18 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-17 20:45 GMT+02:00 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 7:45 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: What should we sue to link to Wikimedia commons categories like: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:St_Paul,_Birmingham I've

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-18 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-18 9:25 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Il giorno 18/ago/2014, alle ore 00:44, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk ha scritto: OK, how's this : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wikimedia_commons as a start? +1, but could have been in

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-18 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-18 10:15 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk: On 18 August 2014 07:20, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote: Some minor objects may have category/image on Wikimedia Commons but have no wikidata and never will have - see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki

[Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

2014-08-18 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
bicycle=designated is widely used but it not well defined. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:bicycle%3Ddesignatedredirect=no is just redirect, to page that describes hopelessly inclusive rules It may imply extra usage rights for the given mode of transport (i.e. normally a

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

2014-08-18 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-18 15:20 GMT+02:00 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com: I) redefining =designated to the definition of =official I thought they are already eqivalent There are differences. See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Dofficial and

Re: [Tagging] horse=designated for recommend routes?

2014-08-18 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-12 3:06 GMT+02:00 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: Am 11.08.2014 13:44, schrieb Simon Poole: Unluckily http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Ddesignated includes or may be just a suggested route (e.g. bicycles can in most jurisdictions ride on any street, but some

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

2014-08-18 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-18 15:36 GMT+02:00 Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com: 1) official cycleway highway=cycleway What about something that is both footway and cyleway (segregated or not segregated)? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

2014-08-18 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-18 22:45 GMT+02:00 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com: You mean the British legal definition of cycleway. Just to ad another bit of legal aspects in this. In Italy, on ways signed like like this http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:120px-Zeichen_240.svg.png, the pedestran has

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-19 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-19 0:38 GMT+02:00 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: For example, I consider it problematic to duplicate the functionality of the image key by allowing links to individual images. And I guess there will be different opinions whether a wikidata link should always replace commons links

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

2014-08-19 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-19 8:22 GMT+02:00 Pee Wee piewi...@gmail.com: In The Netherlands we more or less have agreement on this scheme http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle_tags_map#Cycleway_tagsfor tagging cycleways, cycle streets. I've also noticed this is totally different from the schemes used in

Re: [Tagging] changing wiki , changing definitions

2014-08-19 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
I think that describing this situation as tagging for renderer would be a good idea. 2014-08-19 9:04 GMT+02:00 Pee Wee piewi...@gmail.com: This year the bicycle=use_sidepath was accepeted. After the vote I made a wiki page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle%3Duse_sidepath. I've

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-19 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-19 9:11 GMT+02:00 Jo winfi...@gmail.com: FYI it will remain a numeric ID, so it's unlikely you will ever become unagainst it. Editor support may help in displaying a human readable tag, but that will depend on the software, of course. Jo 2014-08-19 8:52 GMT+02:00 Mateusz

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - nudism

2014-08-19 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-19 1:08 GMT+02:00 Heiko Wöhrle m...@heikowoehrle.de: Hi everybody, i'd like to readdress an old draft from Xan, that has never been voted but is nevertheless in use. Please feel free to comment the slightly changed proposal:

[Tagging] Wayside shrines that are not historic

2014-08-19 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
How one should tag wayside shrine that is not historic? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wayside_shrine is not providing an answer. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Wayside shrines that are not historic

2014-08-19 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-19 17:23 GMT+02:00 Tom Pfeifer t.pfei...@computer.org: Mateusz Konieczny wrote, on 2014-08-19 16:45: How one should tag wayside shrine that is not historic? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wayside_shrine is not providing an answer. That question was asked 2010 already

[Tagging] Proposed change to Tag:access=designated page

2014-08-20 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Currently only weakest reason to use this tag are described. I propose to add Typically it is used on ways legally dedicated to specific modes of travel by a law or by the rules of traffic. as described on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:access%3Ddesignated

Re: [Tagging] Proposed change to Tag:access=designated page

2014-08-20 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-20 13:44 GMT+02:00 SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk: On 20/08/2014 12:38, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Currently only weakest reason to use this tag are described. I propose to add Typically it is used on ways legally dedicated to specific modes of travel by a law or by the rules

Re: [Tagging] Proposed change to Tag:access=designated page

2014-08-20 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-20 15:54 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Il giorno 20/ago/2014, alle ore 14:56, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com ha scritto: The problem with legally dedicated is that it might mean are legally allowed to use or are legally required to use rather than

Re: [Tagging] Forest vs Wood

2014-08-20 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-20 19:45 GMT+02:00 Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com: Wood: Woodland with no forestry Forest: Managed woodland or woodland plantation. In my eyes this is pretty clear. What am I missing / why does there seem to be so much confusion? This difference is impossible to maintain

[Tagging] Some problems with representing highways as areas

2014-08-20 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Is it OK to tag linear pedestrian highways (highway=footway on way) as highway=footway+area=yes areas? Is it OK to tag linear pedestrian highways (highway=footway on way) as highway=footway+area=yes areas and delete linear segments? Is it OK to tag linear highways used by pedestrian and cyclists

Re: [Tagging] Some problems with representing highways as areas

2014-08-20 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-20 23:54 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: footway and area=yes does not make sense to me, as this would usually be pedestrian, no? In this case it makes sense as somebody want to map as area something that clearly is a linear footway.

Re: [Tagging] Forest vs Wood

2014-08-21 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-21 22:29 GMT+02:00 Andrew Guertin andrew.guer...@uvm.edu: Personally, I think the following scheme would work well: landcover=forest anywhere there's trees on the ground landuse=managed_forest where logging activity occurs or the forest is otherwise closely

[Tagging] Ambiguous surface=wood

2014-08-21 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
I discovered* that surface=wood is ambiguous and may mean two very different things: 1) paths with wood chips 2) paths paved with wooden planks (for example https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plik:Bernatek_foot-bridge_%28Love_padlocks%29,_Krakow,_Poland.jpg ) I want to tag in way that would be clear,

Re: [Tagging] Ambiguous surface=wood

2014-08-23 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-23 1:40 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: the singular/plural question cannot be answered easily by looking at current values, as both occurs, eg paving_stones or concrete:plates, but also cobblestone, pebblestone or grass_paver:

[Tagging] cobblestone, sett and surface=*

2014-08-23 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
How one should tag surfaces: - paved with equally sized, flat stones ( https://www.google.pl/maps/@50.061304,19.938305,3a,30y,270.75h,72.93t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sBcAaihLoEYmtOQbTnOlxWA!2e0!3e5?hl=pl ) - paved with roughly shaped stones, only partially flattened (

[Tagging] usage of maxspeed:practical is described as recommended on wiki

2014-08-23 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:surface#maxspeed:practical for proposed change ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] usage of maxspeed:practical is described as recommended on wiki

2014-08-23 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-23 10:48 GMT+02:00 Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 09:08:08AM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:surface#maxspeed:practical for proposed change with 12000 ways already tagged maxspeed:practical and lack

Re: [Tagging] Reproposal of tourism=aquarium

2014-08-24 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-24 20:11 GMT+02:00 John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com: I don't agree with the tourism=attraction argument. Isn't a museum a touristic attraction too? At least as much as an aquarium. Yet we don't tag it as tourism=attraction + attraction=museum As long as it is documented on the

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse

2014-08-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-27 11:51 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com We've always said that generalizing a detailed mapping in an automatic way is possible It is possible but sometimes it is really complicated. BTW, I frequently map really small areas with their own landuses.

Re: [Tagging] default value for oneway

2014-08-28 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-28 22:31 GMT+02:00 Xavier Noria f...@hashref.com: that area in the center with many blue lines... almost all of them are wrong. You cannot rely on that default in Barcelona at all. And in this really rare situation it is reasonable to use oneway=no.

Re: [Tagging] include smoothness=* in JOSM presets?

2014-08-30 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-30 13:54 GMT+02:00 Paul Hartmann phaau...@gmail.com: Hi, there have been requests to include the tag smoothness=* in the JOSM presets [1]. Everywhere the user can fill in surface=*, we would add an additional option for smoothness=*. Apart from the value (excellent, good, ...) we

Re: [Tagging] include smoothness=* in JOSM presets?

2014-09-01 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-09-01 14:51 GMT+02:00 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: I would also like to see at least one application using it, if any. For example I use it in my small project - https://github.com/mkoniecz/bicycle_map_of_Krakow There are some sidewalks with allowed cycling but completely decayed paving

Re: [Tagging] Ablution area

2014-09-02 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-31 16:28 GMT+02:00 Mishari Muqbil mish...@mishari.net: How about if it was amenity=ablution and religion=* or even religion=yes? On more complex objects it will not be clear how religion tag should be applied. ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] The not-shops: industrial, industry, or business

2014-09-13 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
This is no longer true. 2014-09-13 9:03 GMT+02:00 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com: And keep in mind the current cartocss rendering leads to another distortion: tagging for the rendering. Only a few shop tags are rendered in mapnik. Another huge constraint is the lack of support for ; in

Re: [Tagging] The not-shops: industrial, industry, or business

2014-09-13 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
be [shop=sports; sports=bicycle;skateboard]). 2014-09-13 16:32 GMT+02:00 Michał Brzozowski www.ha...@gmail.com: Could you elaborate on that? Do you mean the generic point shop icon? Michał 13 wrz 2014 11:29 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com napisał(a): This is no longer true. 2014-09-13

Re: [Tagging] What's the difference in these tags?

2014-09-17 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Mapping contraflow lane as dual carriageway is a really poor idea. It is OK only for physically separated lane. 2014-09-17 1:59 GMT+02:00 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com: I map contraflow as dual carriageway, to avoid this issue. Both sides get oneway=yes, plus a full list of the modes

Re: [Tagging] Personal Keys for WikiProject, Survey Data for Import

2014-09-17 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
That is really poor idea. IMHO remembering location and object type should be enough to identify it. 2014-09-18 1:43 GMT+02:00 Alex Rollin alex.rol...@gmail.com: Hello, We are surveying for local points of interest. We need to store an ID for these objects to keep track of them. I think

Re: [Tagging] Personal Keys for WikiProject, Survey Data for Import

2014-09-18 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
The biggest problem with ids is that it may degenerate into cases where single objects has a giant list of various ids. 2014-09-18 9:17 GMT+02:00 Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de: Am 18.09.2014 um 08:35 schrieb Alex Rollin: On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-23 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-09-23 16:56 GMT+02:00 Mishari Muqbil mish...@mishari.net: Even if it's the truth, it's criminal libel if you state it as a brothel. There's an interesting saying which you can Google that goes the greater the truth, the greater the libel. Libel is defined as false statement that harms

[Tagging] name and brand tags

2014-09-24 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
How these tags should be used? Nameless object, with brand (for example petrol station). IMHO it should be tagged brand=*, without name. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:brand currently encourages setting brand and name to the same value. Is it really a good idea? Objects without brand,

Re: [Tagging] name and brand tags

2014-09-24 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-09-24 15:16 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2014-09-24 15:12 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com: Objects without brand, in class where brand is typical. brand=Independent is popular, what IMHO is a poor idea. maybe Independent is a brand name

Re: [Tagging] name and brand tags

2014-09-24 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-09-24 17:46 GMT+02:00 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: -1, if the name tag has values that aren't actually the name of the tagged instance it should be removed. This is not about compatibility, but cleaning

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-28 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
A link is missing. 2014-09-28 16:48 GMT+02:00 Lukas Sommer sommer...@gmail.com: Hello. After discussion and some modifications of the proposal, here a request for voting on “Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named“. This is an important feature in some regions in

Re: [Tagging] cleanup of the key natural

2014-10-07 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Now recently, the zoom rules between mud and sand/beach have diverged. - I consider this as a bug and I plan on fixing it in the near future (see https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/1018 ). 2014-10-07 16:49 GMT+02:00 Malcolm Herring malcolm.herr...@btinternet.com: +1 if

Re: [Tagging] Vandalis on access page

2014-10-08 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
It is perfectly fine to revert somebody. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD,_revert,_discuss_cycle 2014-10-08 12:48 GMT+02:00 Pee Wee piewi...@gmail.com: If I understand correctly you say it would be better if the wiki stated that the compulsory cycleway is drawn as a separte way.

[Tagging] Problem with rendering natural=saddle

2014-10-10 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Typically saddles are shown on maps with something like http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Mountain_pass_locator Unfortunately according to the current proposal saddles are mapped as directionless nodes, therefore proper rendering is not possible. Proposed icon is ugly and IMHO not

[Tagging] man_made=bridge

2014-10-10 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
man_made=bridge as proposed on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/man_made%3Dbridge is in my opinion a good tagging scheme, I started work on displaying it in a default style ( https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/436 ). But I noticed that there was never a

Re: [Tagging] man_made=bridge

2014-10-13 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
+0100 (BST), Lukas Sommer wrote: I like this proposal. I would add the requirement that the highways/railways/paths that go over a bridge have to share a node with the outline area. Lukas Sommer 2014-10-10 14:44 GMT+00:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com: man_made=bridge

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - man_made=bridge

2014-10-13 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
I started a vote on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/man_made%3Dbridge ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] cobblestone, sett and surface=*

2014-10-15 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
How one should tag surfaces: - paved with equally sized, flat stones ( https://www.google.pl/maps/@50.061304,19.938305,3a,30y,270.75h,72.93t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sBcAaihLoEYmtOQbTnOlxWA!2e0!3e5?hl=pl ) - paved with roughly shaped stones, only partially flattened (

[Tagging] Problems with historic=tomb

2014-10-16 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
It seems that are serious problems with this tag, is there somebody interested in this topic who want to make a better proposal? (1) This tag can not be used on the same object as historic=archaeological_site - despite the fact that many archaeological sites are excavated tombs. (2) There is no

Re: [Tagging] Problems with historic=tomb

2014-10-16 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
and? You can add subtags to describe why a certain tomb is notable - so what is the point of defining it as where are buried important or well-known persons of their era? 2014-10-16 10:16 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2014-10-16 8:33 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni

Re: [Tagging] Problems with historic=tomb

2014-10-16 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
I think that it is a good idea, though it will make German translation out of synch. 2014-10-16 14:28 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2014-10-16 13:00 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com: and? You can add subtags to describe why a certain tomb is notable

[Tagging] natural=bay as nodes are evil

2014-10-26 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Please, try mapping bays as areas - not as nodes. It is really rare to see it done this way - but it is doable, see http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/5CQ Bay mapped as node is hard to process - for example: deciding whatever name should be rendered. It is completely impossible to retrieve information

Re: [Tagging] natural=bay as nodes are evil

2014-10-26 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
+01:00 Christoph Hormann chris_horm...@gmx.de: On Sunday 26 October 2014, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Please, try mapping bays as areas - not as nodes. It is really rare to see it done this way - but it is doable, see http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/5CQ Doable for sure but an awfully bad idea

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.23.0

2014-10-29 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dguest_house as currently defined fits private residence where a single bedroom is made available to tourists. It is even mentioned - ranging from purpose-built guest houses to family-based BedBreakfast 2014-10-29 21:55 GMT+01:00 Frederik Ramm

Re: [Tagging] sub key for cycle ways

2014-11-01 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2. the cases where the bike lane is in the middle of the road is limited - bicycle lane in the middle is standard before advanced stop line (to be on the left side of right-turn) - at least in Poland 3. “cycleway=track” would look funny using that scheme - cycleway=track is anyway not compatible

Re: [Tagging] sub key for cycle ways

2014-11-02 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
...@ursamundi.org: On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote: 2. the cases where the bike lane is in the middle of the road is limited - bicycle lane in the middle is standard before advanced stop line (to be on the left side of right-turn) - at least in Poland

Re: [Tagging] sub key for cycle ways

2014-11-03 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
=* scheme. To get back to the original discussion, how would you like to see the “soft_lane” being incorporated into either of the two tagging schemes? I look forward to your thoughts, Hubert *From:* Mateusz Konieczny [mailto:matkoni...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Samstag, 1. November 2014 22:34

Re: [Tagging] natural=ridge vs natural=arete

2014-11-04 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
I think that natural=arete should be rather subtag of natural=ridge (natural=ridge; ridge=arete). It is opening way for next specialized tags - what will make using data significantly harder. 2014-11-04 13:58 GMT+01:00 Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: Hi, following some discussions on github

Re: [Tagging] natural=ridge vs natural=arete

2014-11-04 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
of taste but I have yet to see arguments why flat tagging is superior. 2014-11-04 22:56 GMT+01:00 Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at: On 04.11.2014 14:04, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: I think that natural=arete should be rather subtag of natural=ridge (natural=ridge; ridge=arete). This discussion

Re: [Tagging] natural=ridge vs natural=arete

2014-11-05 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
/ ) I can assure you that cascading tag scheme is way easier to support, at least in my opinion. 2014-11-06 6:38 GMT+01:00 Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at: On 05.11.2014 07:19, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: And it is not just because with the second solution new values for main tag will quickly

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 62, Issue 31

2014-11-11 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
No, unknown should be tagged as unknown. Even better - not tagged. 2014-11-12 0:09 GMT+01:00 Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com: On 12/11/2014 9:35 AM, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: A non-potable water introduces two problems: 1) a mapper may not know if the water is potable or not;

Re: [Tagging] Rooftop parking - new parking=rooftop value?

2014-11-12 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
What about more complex buildings with multiple roofs? 2014-11-12 12:27 GMT+01:00 johnw jo...@mac.com: level=roof sounds fine to me. Roof always gets special treatment (it’s usually never a floor number) On Nov 12, 2014, at 6:34 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 11,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Water tap

2014-11-12 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
-git3jpuortmauf2a1...@mail.gmail.com capt3zjr3gsqafyxewxvnuyc2n_7tr-git3jpuortmauf2a1...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 8:50 AM, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com matkoni...@gmail.com wrote: No, unknown should be tagged as unknown. Even better

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Water tap

2014-11-13 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
and thus mapper- and consumer-friendly. Just keep it in mind please when considering this specific proposal. Cheers, Kotya On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 8:33 AM, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote: If you can only chose between potable and non-potable - in this case tagging scheme

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Power routing - Change of ownership

2014-11-19 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
I am confused by I grant to Surly full ownership on this document - as it is wiki, page is not in user space therefore there is no reason for other to not edit. In particular you have no full ownership that may be transferred. 2014-11-19 0:09 GMT+01:00 François Lacombe fl.infosrese...@gmail.com:

[Tagging] How one should tag different sections of library?

2014-11-29 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
There is a large library with multiple sections (for children, for adults, foreign language books, reading room, movie/music borrowing, newspaper section etc etc). There are separate accounts for separate sections, different opening hours. But it is managed by one institution, everything is in

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